This Kitesurfer?

AulWan · 04-10-2019 12:17PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

How is it off point?
Putting yourself at risk in any way puts pressure on rescue services at a time when they are likely to be busy.
How is an experienced kitesurfer going out in reasonable conditions more reckless than driving to the shops yesterday?

How are the emergency services to know if someone is an experienced kitesurfer when they get the call?

They don't, and they just have to respond to the call.

Imagine the furore if they didn't respond, somebody died, and they tried to say "oh, well we thought he'd manage without us - he was an experienced windsurfer / swimmer / surfer."

the beer revolu · 04-10-2019 12:19PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

well now i'm confused.

Who's side are you on?

The kitesurfer who went out yesterday, and had a mishap and needed to be rescued?
The people who say he should be made pay for the services of the E.S.?

I'm saying that what the kitesurfer did had moderate risks involved. Most activities have a degree of risk but because kitesurfing is a niche sport and considered extreme, this person is lambasted for putting the services at risk.
No one is saying anything about the thousands of unnecessary journeys made in cars yesterday.

Unfortunately, this guy had an accident and required rescue but I don't believe that this had anything to do with the conditions he went out in.

The reasonable conclusion to some of the reactions here would be to ban all unnecessary risks - like hill walking and cycling.

the beer revolu · 04-10-2019 12:20PM

AulWan wrote: »

How are the emergency services to know if someone is an experienced kitesurfer when they get the call?

They don't, and they just have to respond to the call.

Imagine the furore if they didn't respond, somebody died, and they tried to say "oh, well we thought he'd manage without us - he was an experienced windsurfer / swimmer / surfer."

So ban kitesurfing?

knucklehead6 · 04-10-2019 12:21PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm saying that what the kitesurfer did had moderate risks involved. Most activities have a degree of risk but because kitesurfing is a niche sport and considered extreme, this person is lambasted for putting the services at risk.
No one is saying anything about the thousands of unnecessary journeys made in cars yesterday.

Unfortunately, this guy had an accident and required rescue but I don't believe that this had anything to do with the conditions he went out in.

The reasonable conclusion to some of the reactions here would be to ban all unnecessary risks - like hill walking and cycling.

ok.

Plumbthedepths · 04-10-2019 12:22PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

So ban kitesurfing?

Far better to ban strawman arguments.

robertpatterson · 04-10-2019 12:24PM

All sorts of hobbies/outdoor activities have insurance e.g. scuba diving shooting
Why are some activities exempt and if there is a rescue or the emergency services are called the state is expected to pay?

AulWan · 04-10-2019 12:28PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

So ban kitesurfing?

At certain times yes.

Swimming is banned on beaches at certain times.

So why not other potentially dangerous activities?

ted1 · 04-10-2019 12:28PM

jmayo wrote: »

I presume he wouldn't be carrying a flare with him in the event he really needs help?

I stopped reading there, no he or no one would be carrying a flare when kiting or sailing on a small lake.
As you generally don't kite in offshore winds, you don't need flare while in the sea either..

He also wasn't the only one kiting there yesterday. so he had plenty of support from fellow kiters.

nthclare · 04-10-2019 12:28PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

You could do extreme stuff on a tricycle. It would still be a tricycle, though.

Typical of a narcissist, can't take a challenge so has to stoop to immature linguistics and gaslighting the subject matter etc

I love your logic, obviously you're not up for the challenge, we'll leave it there so.

ted1 · 04-10-2019 12:30PM

AulWan wrote: »

At certain times yes.

Swimming is banned on beaches at certain times.

So why not other potentially dangerous activities?

two vey different things.

remember the last storm when every one was giving out about the kite surfers, who were actually windsurfers and no one mentioned the guys who got killed wile out chopping up trees on public roads with chain saws.....

the beer revolu · 04-10-2019 12:36PM

nthclare wrote: »

Typical of a narcissist, can't take a challenge so has to stoop to immature linguistics and gaslighting the subject matter etc

I love your logic, obviously you're not up for the challenge, we'll leave it there so.

I'm not near as brave and hard as you.
Any other brave feats you'd like to tell us about?

Mickeroo · 04-10-2019 12:36PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

There are some people who will always get a thrill from living on the edge. Generally they are very self centred and don't mind putting others at risk to save them.

Emergency service personal have been badly injured and in some cases died trying to save these idiots.

They'll probably be out there again in a few weeks doing the same thing, boasting to their friends about it.

Any examples of that?

Stovepipe · 04-10-2019 12:39PM

One of the reports said that the guy was 7 miles out to sea and was in trouble so he HAD to be rescued. It had gone beyond the point of a sportsman enjoying himself and was now a rescue situation. That's fair enough but it puts the aircrew at risk, the lifeboat crew at risk, the coastguard at risk and ties up a huge amount of resources at one time. I know people on both sides of the argument; heli crew, RNLI people and the water sports people (it's not only windsurfers who take risks) and time and again, the line "I was doing fine, I didnt want to be rescued!" has been used by windsurfers and amateur sailors, until you get the back story later and find that their families or their mates had called the rescue services because they were late back / getting dark / weather changed / swept out to sea / lost from view,etc. One winchman I know went down to pick up a surfer who refused to get into the strop unless his board was taken up with them. The winchman, a man of infinite patience, simply cut the ankle line, bodily secured the surfer and was winched in. The guy continued to whinge and moan about his board until they landed and his anxious parents bollocked him from a height. Another time, a yacht refused rescue of the three crew when it got into trouble in the middle of the Irish Sea despite the pleas of the winchman to get them lifted off. They stayed aboard, the helicopter left and they rode out the storm. The back story? It turned out they were ex-colleagues of the pilot and were too embarrassed to be rescued by him so they elected to stay aboard. It only came out later when he met them at a reunion. So, you're not always dealing with people who are thinking logically.

Stovepipe · 04-10-2019 12:45PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Any examples of that?

Examples of the death or injury of rescue personnel are usually posted on the Roll of Honour at every lifeboat station or coastguard station, SAR heli base and Naval base and rescue divers base.

Professor Genius · 04-10-2019 12:51PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Seems like a kitesurfer had to be rescued yesterday, involving helicopters and lifeboats and personnel.

All this despite numerous warnings and advice of dangerous or extremely dangerous conditions.

Who would be stiffed for the cost involved in this,one wonders.

What is the ‘protocol’ in these particular situations, in situations like this.

Should those ignoring these warnings and advice bear some of the cost?

Interesting.

Should be boiled in his own piss

knucklehead6 · 04-10-2019 12:52PM

Stovepipe wrote: »

One of the reports said that the guy was 7 miles out to sea and was in trouble so he HAD to be rescued. It had gone beyond the point of a sportsman enjoying himself and was now a rescue situation.

Stovepipe wrote: »

That's fair enough but it puts the aircrew at risk, the lifeboat crew at risk, the coastguard at risk and ties up a huge amount of resources at one time. I know people on both sides of the argument; heli crew, RNLI people and the water sports people (it's not only windsurfers who take risks) and time and again, the line "I was doing fine, I didnt want to be rescued!" has been used by windsurfers and amateur sailors, until you get the back story later and find that their families or their mates had called the rescue services because they were late back / getting dark / weather changed / swept out to sea / lost from view,etc. One winchman I know went down to pick up a surfer who refused to get into the strop unless his board was taken up with them. The winchman, a man of infinite patience, simply cut the ankle line, bodily secured the surfer and was winched in. The guy continued to whinge and moan about his board until they landed and his anxious parents bollocked him from a height. Another time, a yacht refused rescue of the three crew when it got into trouble in the middle of the Irish Sea despite the pleas of the winchman to get them lifted off. They stayed aboard, the helicopter left and they rode out the storm. The back story? It turned out they were ex-colleagues of the pilot and were too embarrassed to be rescued by him so they elected to stay aboard. It only came out later when he met them at a reunion. So, you're not always dealing with people who are thinking logically.

The Kitesurfer apparently broke his leg after being blown into rocks. Ambulance crew were called onsite, they called the C.G., who called in the helicopter.

The surfer was apparently blown a significant distance, but managed to make his way ashore himself too.

IN relation to the rest, i know a couple of the Mountain Rescue teams, (i'm a hillwalker) and unless my leg was hanging off me there's no way i'd call them out!! :pac:

ted1 · 04-10-2019 12:52PM

Stovepipe wrote: »

One of the reports said that the guy was 7 miles out to sea and was in trouble so he HAD to be rescued. It had gone beyond the point of a sportsman enjoying himself and was now a rescue situation. .

that report is wrong.

Mickeroo · 04-10-2019 01:01PM

Stovepipe wrote: »

Examples of the death or injury of rescue personnel are usually posted on the Roll of Honour at every lifeboat station or coastguard station, SAR heli base and Naval base and rescue divers base.

Yeah I know that, I'm just curious of the examples of a kite surfer being the cause that the poster seemed to be aware of, presumably in Ireland (maybe they meant 'idiots' as shorthand for water sport enthusiasts in general?).

nthclare · 04-10-2019 01:01PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm not near as brave and hard as you.
Any other brave feats you'd like to tell us about?

Standing up to you is about the bravest, I can't find anything of note to emulate that feat of bravery

AulWan · 04-10-2019 01:06PM

ted1 wrote: »

AulWan wrote: »

At certain times yes.

Swimming is banned on beaches at certain times.

So why not other potentially dangerous activities?

two vey different things.

remember the last storm when every one was giving out about the kite surfers, who were actually windsurfers and no one mentioned the guys who got killed wile out chopping up trees on public roads with chain saws.....

I actually remember quite a few people talking about it at the time.

Brendan Bendar · 04-10-2019 01:52PM

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4620448/storm-lorenzo-kitesurfer-wexford-broken-leg/

This gives a fairly good account of the incident.

You can draw your own conclusions.

knucklehead6 · 04-10-2019 01:55PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4620448/storm-lorenzo-kitesurfer-wexford-broken-leg/

This gives a fairly good account of the incident.

You can draw your own conclusions.

The Sun??? I wouldn't reckon too much of what appears in the sun resembles an accurate account

Brendan Bendar · 04-10-2019 01:57PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

The Sun??? I wouldn't reckon too much of what appears in the sun resembles an accurate account

Do you disagree with the advice given by the rescue services in the report?

knucklehead6 · 04-10-2019 01:59PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Do you disagree with the advice given by the rescue services in the report?

Didn't read it.

Brendan Bendar · 04-10-2019 02:03PM

https://www.buzz.ie/news/man-hospitalised-blown-rocks-kitesurfing-storm-lorenzo-339298

Try this account then

The Tetrarch · 04-10-2019 02:04PM

Do there heroes go out in bad conditions so they can tell everyone when they come back what brave people they were?

Brendan Bendar · 04-10-2019 02:04PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Didn't read it.

Okey Dokey....

knucklehead6 · 04-10-2019 02:05PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://www.buzz.ie/news/man-hospitalised-blown-rocks-kitesurfing-storm-lorenzo-339298

Try this account then

According to that the incident happened at 3.20pm. The Yellow warning didn't take affect until 6.00pm.

I'm sure you have a point, i'm just struggling to see what it is.

ted1 · 04-10-2019 02:11PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

The Sun??? I wouldn't reckon too much of what appears in the sun resembles an accurate account

Details here: https://www.facebook.com/151481018225758/posts/3280143178692844?sfns=mo

knucklehead6 · 04-10-2019 02:16PM

ted1 wrote: »

Details here: https://www.facebook.com/151481018225758/posts/3280143178692844?sfns=mo

Still don't see what point Brendan is trying to make.

This Kitesurfer?

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