This Kitesurfer?

Brendan Bendar

Seems like a kitesurfer had to be rescued yesterday, involving helicopters and lifeboats and personnel.

All this despite numerous warnings and advice of dangerous or extremely dangerous conditions.

Who would be stiffed for the cost involved in this,one wonders.

What is the ‘protocol’ in these particular situations, in situations like this.

Should those ignoring these warnings and advice bear some of the cost?


Interesting.

Raconteuse

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Should those ignoring these warnings and advice bear some of the cost?.

Seems fair to me.

ted1

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Seems like a kitesurfer had to be rescued yesterday, involving helicopters and lifeboats and personnel.

All this despite numerous warnings and advice of dangerous or extremely dangerous conditions.

Who would be stiffed for the cost involved in this,one wonders.

What is the ‘protocol’ in these particular situations, in situations like this.

Should those ignoring these warnings and advice bear some of the cost?


Interesting.

It was only 25 knots at the lake. The kite surfer has won both the Irish and British national titles.
The previous week the weather didn’t have a name and was blown 35 knots and no one cared

It was also only a yellow warning= Yellow Not unusual weather. Localised danger.

BDI

The pianist was much better. Really felt sorry for yer man.

whisky_galore

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

EmmetSpiceland

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Seems like a kitesurfer had to be rescued yesterday, involving helicopters and lifeboats and personnel.

All this despite numerous warnings and advice of dangerous or extremely dangerous conditions.

Who would be stiffed for the cost involved in this,one wonders.

What is the ‘protocol’ in these particular situations, in situations like this.

Should those ignoring these warnings and advice bear some of the cost?


Interesting.

If I’d been surfing all my life and a storm like that one brought in the best waves there’s no way I’d been letting a “red flag” or some life guards telling me I can’t surf them.

Obviously, it’s my call and if anything happens it’s on me. Wouldn’t be looking for any RNLI or Coast Guard rescue.

Not sure who should foot the bill really, until the state puts in provisions to deal, more strictly, with reckless behaviour and alcohol related injuries then we’ll be paying, B.

kneemos

ted1 wrote: »

It was only 25 knots at the lake. The kite surfer has won both the Irish and British national titles.
The previous week the weather didn’t have a name and was blown 35 knots and no one cared

It was also only a yellow warning= Yellow Not unusual weather. Localised danger.

Yeah there wasn't any wind to talk of yesterday. The "storm"wasn't forecast to come anyway near the south east.

Brendan Bendar

ted1 wrote: »

It was only 25 knots at the lake. The kite surfer has won both the Irish and British national titles.
The previous week the weather didn’t have a name and was blown 35 knots and no one cared

It was also only a yellow warning= Yellow Not unusual weather. Localised danger.

Yes, but there were wall to wall ‘storm warnings’ over every platform, surely common sense would tell someone to heed of these,given the fact that the emergency services might be overworked with ‘real emergencies’?

The weather warnings cannot by default cover every square yard of the country, so perhaps maybe some ‘ big picture’ thinking might have been employed here?

kneemos

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yes, but there were wall to wall ‘storm warnings’ over every platform, surely common sense would tell someone to heed of these,given the fact that the emergency services might be overworked with ‘real emergencies’?

The weather warnings cannot by default cover every square yard of the country, so perhaps maybe some ‘ big picture’ thinking might have been employed here?

There was a yellow warning for later on in the evening for the east.

This is in no way related to the non storm. More like the media desperate for some sort of weather related tragedy.

Hector Savage

DON'T TAKE ANY UNNECESSARY JOURNEYS, DON'T GO INTO THE WATER!!

INCREDIBLY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SEEN ACTUALLY IN THE WATER!!!!!

Sky King

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Obviously, it’s my call and if anything happens it’s on me. Wouldn’t be looking for any RNLI or Coast Guard rescue.

Yeah. Sure.

AulWan

There is always someone who thinks they can beat the odds. There were videos of eejits jumping into the sea during Ophelia.

I think they should foot the bill yes, not for risking their own lives, but for unnecessarily risking the lives of the emergency personnel who have to come get them out of difficulty.

Plumbthedepths

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

If I’d been surfing all my life and a storm like that one brought in the best waves there’s no way I’d been letting a “red flag” or some life guards telling me I can’t surf them.

Obviously, it’s my call and if anything happens it’s on me. Wouldn’t be looking for any RNLI or Coast Guard rescue.

Not sure who should foot the bill really, until the state puts in provisions to deal, more strictly, with reckless behaviour and alcohol related injuries then we’ll be paying, B.

That's not how the emergency services work, they receive a call that someone is in trouble they don't wait to hear has the victim sought help. The person yesterday not only put their life in danger for an adrenaline rush but also the lives of first responders. The person in question is a selfish a**hole.

CalamariFritti

AulWan wrote: »

There is always someone who thinks they can beat the odds. There were videos of eejits jumping into the sea during Ophelia.

And there is also any amount of hand wringers who have never in their life been in the vicinity of a surfboard but yet know exactly when and when not to go into the water.

KaneToad

ted1 wrote: »

It was only 25 knots at the lake. The kite surfer has won both the Irish and British national titles.
The previous week the weather didn’t have a name and was blown 35 knots and no one cared

It was also only a yellow warning= Yellow Not unusual weather. Localised danger.

Pfffttt....facts and rational points.

Plumbthedepths

KaneToad wrote: »

Pfffttt....facts and rational points.

According to RTE news a kitesurfer and windsurfer were rescued off Wexford and the Kerry coast no mention of lake.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

According to RTE news a kitesurfer and windsurfer were rescued off Wexford and the Kerry coast no mention of lake.

Lady's island lake is the kite surfing spot.

fryup

name & shame them

ted1

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

According to RTE news a kitesurfer and windsurfer were rescued off Wexford and the Kerry coast no mention of lake.

So people here are clearly forming an opinion based on limited knowledge.

the beer revolu

We need to ban all sports that involve risk.
Oh.
It seems we need to ban all sports and pastimes.

nthclare

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

If I’d been surfing all my life and a storm like that one brought in the best waves there’s no way I’d been letting a “red flag” or some life guards telling me I can’t surf them.

Obviously, it’s my call and if anything happens it’s on me. Wouldn’t be looking for any RNLI or Coast Guard rescue.

Not sure who should foot the bill really, until the state puts in provisions to deal, more strictly, with reckless behaviour and alcohol related injuries then we’ll be paying, B.

I remember being caught up in the rip in Doughmore beach in county Clare...

I was there for at least two hours, sitting it out on my bodyboard meanwhile the sets were building and building...
duck diving for my life lol
That place closes out over 4 ft no matter what swell direction or offshore wind.

So finally it jacked up I'd say 18 ft on the face....
Only one choice, bodyboard it on the whitewater in because it was nearly dark...

Frightening stuff all the same

Plumbthedepths

ted1 wrote: »

So people here are clearly forming an opinion based on limited knowledge.

I speak for me not others. As I said someone that goes out in a weather warning has a disregard for their own safety that's fine but that same disregard threatens the safety of others needlessly and in my opinion makes them selfish a**holes that need to face some form of sanction.

kneemos

nthclare wrote: »

I remember being caught up in the rip in Doughmore beach in county Clare...

I was there for at least two hours, sitting it out on my bodyboard meanwhile the sets were building and building...
duck diving for my life lol
That place closes out over 4 ft no matter what swell direction or offshore wind.

So finally it jacked up I'd say 18 ft on the face....
Only one choice, bodyboard it on the whitewater in because it was nearly dark...

Frightening stuff all the same

Knarly dude.

Sardonicat

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I speak for me not others. As I said someone that goes out in a weather warning has a disregard for their own safety that's fine but that same disregard threatens the safety of others needlessly and in my opinion makes them selfish a**holes that need to face some form of sanction.

Except this particular individual didn't go out in a weather warning. There was no warning in place where he was.

nthclare

kneemos wrote: »

Knarly dude.

it was knarly alright, because I only meant to head out for an hour and it was around 3ft but rising.
There's a nice wave on the turf bank at mid tide, and when it's working right you will get barreled on the bodyboard...

kneemos

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I speak for me not others. As I said someone that goes out in a weather warning has a disregard for their own safety that's fine but that same disregard threatens the safety of others needlessly and in my opinion makes them selfish a**holes that need to face some form of sanction.

Don't think there even was a weather warning for the south east yesterday afternoon.
Maybe a small craft warning or something.

the beer revolu

kneemos wrote: »

Knarly dude.

Bodyboard?
Hardly!

Brendan Bendar

kneemos wrote: »

There was a yellow warning for later on in the evening for the east.

This is in no way related to the non storm. More like the media desperate for some sort of weather related tragedy.

With respect that’s not really the point I am trying to make.

There were numerous warnings on radio and other platforms advising people to take care.

I am looking at the big picture, I presume the Waterford Heli covers a big area so I would have thought that despite the fact that conditions did not quite match forecast in the area that people would understand the bigger picture, and not use that day to go windsurfing.

The fact that the incident was not as said ‘weather related’ is irrelevant the real fact is that this occupied the emergency services for some time, when warnings has been issued ad nauseam,that extreme weather was forecast.

the beer revolu

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

With respect that’s not really the point I am trying to make.

There were numerous warnings on radio and other platforms advising people to take care.

I am looking at the big picture, I presume the Waterford Heli covers a big area so I would have thought that despite the fact that conditions did not quite match forecast in the area that people would understand the bigger picture, and not use that day to go windsurfing.

The fact that the incident was not as said ‘weather related’ is irrelevant the real fact is that this occupied the emergency services for some time, when warnings has been issued ad nauseam,that extreme weather was forecast.

Did you drive anywhere yesterday?

Brendan Bendar

the beer revolu wrote: »

We need to ban all sports that involve risk.
Oh.
It seems we need to ban all sports and pastimes.

No just make participants more responsible for their own actions and the risks of others.

In the pocket is probably the best way.

Levels out the thinking.

Brendan Bendar

the beer revolu wrote: »

Did you drive anywhere yesterday?

No.

the beer revolu

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No.

Fair enough, neither did I.
Do you consider anyone who did drive in Ireland yesterday as irresponsible and selfish?
Driving at the best of times is a very risky activity. These risks are magnified by poor weather.

JohnnyFlash

I played a round of golf yesterday morning on an exposed links course. East coast in fairness, and I didn’t shoot a great score, but the idea that a small bit of wind and rain would keep one indoors is a nonsense.

Marhay70

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Obviously, it’s my call and if anything happens it’s on me. Wouldn’t be looking for any RNLI or Coast Guard rescue.

Not sure who should foot the bill really, until the state puts in provisions to deal, more strictly, with reckless behaviour and alcohol related injuries then we’ll be paying, B.

Unfortunately it's not your call who goes to rescue you, the emergency services have a duty of care to anybody in trouble. You could, of course, refuse any help when it comes and continue to drown at your leisure.

Raconteuse

KaneToad wrote: »

Pfffttt....facts and rational points.

There were weather warnings, so no, you don't get to tell people they're being hysterical. Turned out not to be that severe but the forecast was for possible severity.

And... he DID need rescuing.

Brendan Bendar

the beer revolu wrote: »

Fair enough, neither did I.
Do you consider anyone who did drive in Ireland yesterday as irresponsible and selfish?
Driving at the best of times is a very risky activity. These risks are magnified by poor weather.

We are getting off the point here, I’m afraid.

What we have here is emergency services occupied by an incident despite numerous warnings of impending extreme weather.

An incident which directly contravened the ‘stay high stay dry’ advice.

Hope the person is ok, but maybe some more balanced thinking might have been more appropriate.

Looking back at wexford harbour wind chart for yesterday the average wind speed was 10 knots,
Don't believe everything the forecasters say.

the beer revolu

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

We are getting off the point here, I’m afraid.

What we have here is emergency services occupied by an incident despite numerous warnings of impending extreme weather.

An incident which directly contravened the ‘stay high stay dry’ advice.

Hope the person is ok, but maybe some more balanced thinking might have been more appropriate.

How is it off point?
Putting yourself at risk in any way puts pressure on rescue services at a time when they are likely to be busy.
How is an experienced kitesurfer going out in reasonable conditions more reckless than driving to the shops yesterday?

@The

@The beer revolu

The folks getting upset haven't a clue so let them off.

Marhay70

BrownFinger wrote: »

Looking back at wexford harbour wind chart for yesterday the average wind speed was 10 knots,
Don't believe everything the forecasters say.

As a resident I can confirm that the wind speed in my local area of Wexford yesterday was way in excess of 10 knots. I don't know over what period they assess the average, by late evening the wind had dropped significantly but during daylight hours the wind was quite strong'

Brendan Bendar

the beer revolu wrote: »

How is it off point?
Putting yourself at risk in any way puts pressure on rescue services at a time when they are likely to be busy.
How is an experienced kitesurfer going out in reasonable conditions more reckless than driving to the shops yesterday?

You are missing the whole point.

Either deliberately or not I don’t know.

Sorry.

riffmongous

Is he not responsible for the costs anyway? Same as ambulance and fire brigade call outs (not sure if this is the case in Ireland but it is where I did my first aid course, they explicitly told us so)

the beer revolu

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You are missing the whole point.

Either deliberately or not I don’t know.

Sorry.

How about you answer my question to you?
Perhaps it might clear things up.

ted1

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I speak for me not others. As I said someone that goes out in a weather warning has a disregard for their own safety that's fine but that same disregard threatens the safety of others needlessly and in my opinion makes them selfish a**holes that need to face some form of sanction.

It’s a wind based sport and it was windy.
You don’t know the sport , so aren’t in a position to comment.

lalababa

Rnli, mountain rescue, don't charge and are volunteer based AFAIK.
Thing about charging is it might put someone off making the emergency call... bit of a catch 22.
Does ambulance charge? Fire Brigade does and there was a big debate about it for the same reason....and alot of firefighters would rather it be free 'coz sometimes the call is delayed or not made.

the beer revolu

BrownFinger wrote: »

@The beer revolu

The folks getting upset haven't a clue so let them off.

I know but I can't help it.
The uninformed, kneejerk condemnation is so loud, popular and annoying.

SEPT 23 1989

where would the human race be if we never took risks?

Brendan Bendar

the beer revolu wrote: »

How about you answer my question to you?
Perhaps it might clear things up.

Too long in the tooth to be dragged down that rabbit hole, my friend.

Can we stick to debating occupying emergency service resources despite there being numerous and frequent warnings of impending bad weather.

Can we stick to debating the big picture issues here and how it applies to possible severe pressure on emergency resources maybe many miles from our actual location as was relentlessly forewarned on in the days leading up to the event.

That would be a pretty good starting point.

the beer revolu

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Too long in the tooth to be dragged down that rabbit hole, my friend.

Can we stick to debating occupying emergency service resources despite there being numerous and frequent warnings of impending bad weather.

Can we stick to debating the big picture issues here and how it applies to possible severe pressure on emergency resources maybe many miles from our actual location as was relentlessly forewarned on in the days leading up to the event.

That would be a pretty good starting point.

That is exactly what I am trying to do but you only want to focus on the kitesurfer and not on the thousands of other people who are doing exactly the same thing but receive no condemnation.
Why is that?

You want debate but refuse to answer a simple question?

I'm not your friend.

jmayo

ted1 wrote: »

It was only 25 knots at the lake. The kite surfer has won both the Irish and British national titles.
The previous week the weather didn’t have a name and was blown 35 knots and no one cared

It was also only a yellow warning= Yellow Not unusual weather. Localised danger.

Fair enough then inform authorities (e.g local S&R centre, coastguard, local RNLI station, etc) that he is going out so that he doesn't need a rescue.

Although the authorities might say well then what happens if you really did get in trouble for some reason.
How do we know whether you really need help?
I presume he wouldn't be carrying a flare with him in the event he really needs help?

The problem some eejits fail to notice is what message this sends.

1. other surfers see this guy out there and think what the hell it isn't bad so I will go out, except these other people may not have national titles, may not have the ability and experience of the first guy out there.
Then they get in trouble.

(fair enough it wasn't bad at all yesterday where he was but as sure as hell this will happen when it is questionable conditions for less experienced people)

2. some people in the general public see this guy out there and have listened to all the warnings and then inform the authorities who launch a rescue or at least and go and see.

And one of the reasons members of general public raise alarms is they actually do see eejits out in questionable conditions.

It also has a lot to do the way authorities are warning about going near the water.
And that is because we have seen eejits standing near breakwaters, on exposed piers, even jumping in for a swim in bad storm conditions ?

nthclare

the beer revolu wrote: »

Bodyboard?
Hardly!

I tell you what, come December when there's a nice swell we'll ramp it up and hit Riley's on the bogue...

Well settle at 5ft swell, westerly and a North East moderate breeze....

I'll meet you out back and you'll see how a bodyboard can shredd...

No jet ski.... we'll paddle into the wave's....