Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

quokula · 02-10-2019 11:15AM

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

Corbynism continues its downward spiral

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1179326517970644993

Yougov consistently have swing a good 10% from Labour to Cons compared to all the other polling companies. I've no idea why that is. It does mean they get quoted the most by people trying to portray a certain narrative though.

ComRes have Labour and Tories neck and neck, and most others have them within a few points of eachother.

Given how much closer Labour are looking now than they were pre-election in 2017, the Tories will be pretty worried about how things will go when the media is forced to cover Labour's policies and the public starts to actually think about who to vote for.

begsbyOnaTrain · 02-10-2019 11:39AM

quokula wrote: »

Yougov consistently have swing a good 10% from Labour to Cons compared to all the other polling companies. I've no idea why that is. It does mean they get quoted the most by people trying to portray a certain narrative though.

ComRes have Labour and Tories neck and neck, and most others have them within a few points of eachother.

Opinium from a few days ago has Tories 36% and Labour at 24% - https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-11th-september-2019-2/

That seems to be the most recent before this Yougov one.

02-10-2019 11:51AM

quokula wrote: »

Given how much closer Labour are looking now than they were pre-election in 2017, the Tories will be pretty worried about how things will go when the media is forced to cover Labour's policies and the public starts to actually think about who to vote for.

Labour has policies :eek:

Junkyard Tom · 02-10-2019 12:41PM

It's up to parliament to put an end to Bojo's clown show now.

FunLover18 · 02-10-2019 02:26PM

She reminds of Robyn from The Thick Of It

https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1179361530011439106?s=19

Ash.J.Williams · 02-10-2019 04:39PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's up to parliament to put an end to Bojo's clown show now.

they can do nothing. It's no deal or civil war! Boris has the support.

ohnonotgmail · 02-10-2019 04:43PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

they can do nothing. It's no deal or civil war! Boris has the support.

or the queen sacks him when he ignores an act of parliament.

Ash.J.Williams · 02-10-2019 04:45PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

or the queen sacks him when he ignores an act of parliament.

boris has more support than the queen! it would be the tower for her!

ohnonotgmail · 02-10-2019 05:01PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

boris has more support than the queen! it would be the tower for her!

he does in his arse.

LiamoSail · 02-10-2019 05:30PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

46% percent for Tories and Brexit party between them. Lord above.

Their support in England must be pushing 60%. That says a lot about England

Imreoir2 · 02-10-2019 06:23PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

they can do nothing. It's no deal or civil war! Boris has the support.

Parliament is soverign, they can do anything the choose. I think talking about civil war is alarmist nonsence, the people of Britain respect democracy and will never rebel against their own parliament regardless of what a few populists polititions or advisors would like to dream about.

knipex · 02-10-2019 08:51PM

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Those figures probably include a sizeable proportion of people who either want to remain or want some deal, but would rather gnaw their own arms off than vote for Corbyn.

How different would things be if Labour had a more palatable, pragmatic and charismatic leader?

Or.. I dont know.. anyone else. even a... a cute puppy

02-10-2019 08:56PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

Their support in England must be pushing 60%. That says a lot about England

that they don't like Corbyn's brand of 1970s socialism and they think the Liberals are wishy washy?

downcow · 02-10-2019 09:22PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

boris has more support than the queen! it would be the tower for her!

This is the reality. Roi has led the eu into an impossible position.
The UK people want to leave (or rather a majority of them) and the eu,Westminster, and roi don’t want to accept their democratic wishes.
The majority are happy that boris seems to be having integrity with the majority. But if he goes against the people he will fall and the brexit party will triumph.
I really wish the eu and roi would stop abusing the gfa and our peace and get down to serious negotiations on how brexit can respect the integrity of the UK and yet be as positive as possible for UK,roi, and eu

Dyr · 02-10-2019 09:25PM

downcow wrote: »

This is the reality. Roi has led the eu into an impossible position.
The UK people want to leave (or rather a majority of them) and the eu,Westminster, and roi don’t want to accept their democratic wishes.
The majority are happy that boris seems to be having integrity with the majority. But if he goes against the people he will fall and the brexit party will triumph.
I really wish the eu and roi would stop abusing the gfa and our peace and get down to serious negotiations on how brexit can respect the integrity of the UK and yet be as positive as possible for UK,roi, and eu

The UK can leave whenever the f**k it likes, but it hasn't

Of course the GFA has them over a barrel for trying to change the status of NI, just as it should. Sickener eh?

downcow · 02-10-2019 09:31PM

Bambi wrote: »

The UK can leave whenever the f**k it likes, but it hasn't

Of course the GFA has them over a barrel for trying to change the status of NI, just as it should. Sickener eh?

Well this proposal recognised the two communities in ni. Up to this point seemed only nationalist concerns mattered. This brings some equality. Sickener eh.
....and exactly what barrel do you think UK is over. (As you type this while stretched over a barrel lol)

downcow · 02-10-2019 09:33PM

Bambi wrote: »

The UK can leave whenever the f**k it likes, but it hasn't
eh?

31st October. We are away You’ll be relieved. Then we can start talking about how we can be good neighbours and support each other’s economies

Odhinn · 02-10-2019 10:16PM

downcow wrote: »

This is the reality. Roi has led the eu into an impossible position.
.............

Total and utter nonsense. The "impossible position" is due to a few members of the British elite juggling for position amongst themselves and having it all backfire on them.

26000 Elephants · 02-10-2019 10:32PM

downcow wrote: »

....and exactly what barrel do you think UK is over. (As you type this while stretched over a barrel lol)

As soon as you try and negotiate a deal in isolation with the US you will find out exactly what barrel you have been bent over.

Nobbies · 02-10-2019 11:18PM

The e.u wii accept boris johnson,s new proposals all be after a few tweaks. Why?

the alternatives are more uncertain. he has being adamant there will be no extension asked for by him.
even if he were to resign and leave it to someone else to ask for a extension there would be a general election in the u.k soon after.
that would do one of two things.
it would change everything into the tories favour and leave them with the dup again if they needed them or else return a parliament similar to the one currently there which has really being a impasse.
if the latter were to happen we would only be back here again with more carry on delaying progress.
the former would give boris the go ahead for a no deal early next year
so when the e.u weight it all up thats how it will have to be viewed.

davedanon · 02-10-2019 11:45PM

I'd like to respond to that, but in all honesty, I can't for the life of me understand it.

Nobbies · 03-10-2019 12:11AM

davedanon wrote: »

I'd like to respond to that, but in all honesty, I can't for the life of me understand it.

Don't concern. school starts for you at 9 am sharp.

quokula · 03-10-2019 12:33AM

Aegir wrote: »

Labour has policies :eek:

This sort of extreme ignorance is why the numbers move so much once election campaigning starts and more people actually engage their brains.

davedanon · 03-10-2019 01:23AM

Nobbies wrote: »

Don't concern. school starts for you at 9 am sharp.

School is for people who are unable to construct proper sentences, such as yourself.

FunLover18 · 03-10-2019 01:26AM

Johnson to prorogue parliament again from Oct 8 to the following Monday. What a sh*t.

McDermotX · 03-10-2019 01:53AM

Maybe that welfare case he has to go to in order to do that should tell him to piss off this time, rather than looking like a fool again.

twinytwo · 03-10-2019 06:20AM

Nobbies wrote: »

The e.u wii accept boris johnson,s new proposals all be after a few tweaks. Why?

the alternatives are more uncertain. he has being adamant there will be no extension asked for by him.
even if he were to resign and leave it to someone else to ask for a extension there would be a general election in the u.k soon after.
that would do one of two things.
it would change everything into the tories favour and leave them with the dup again if they needed them or else return a parliament similar to the one currently there which has really being a impasse.
if the latter were to happen we would only be back here again with more carry on delaying progress.
the former would give boris the go ahead for a no deal early next year
so when the e.u weight it all up thats how it will have to be viewed.

No they won't. Ignoring everything else wrong with it. Boris essentially hands complete control of NI to the DUP. That alone is enough to kick NI off again

downcow · 03-10-2019 06:49AM

twinytwo wrote: »

No they won't. Ignoring everything else wrong with it. Boris essentially hands complete control of NI to the DUP. That alone is enough to kick NI off again

Explain how he’s handing control of ni to dup

Junkyard Tom · 03-10-2019 07:41AM

downcow wrote: »

Explain how he’s handing control of ni to dup

The ridiculous notion that Unionists in the northeast corner of Ireland would get to choose what EU regulations were acceptable or not. The utter shamelessness of the DUP cowering in behind the GFA, they so hate, as a method of stymying majority support for the backstop in the North.

You are being played like a fiddle and you can't see it. The current government want to try to engineer a crash-out and you guys are helping them despite being the region, under current UK jurisdiction, that will suffer most.

On the upside, we've all gotten a refresher course on just how difficult Unionists are to deal with and how reckless the British are when it comes to Ireland.

This will not be forgotten and you will not drag people in the north out of the EU without consequences.

FrancieBrady · 03-10-2019 07:50AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The ridiculous notion that Unionists in the northeast corner of Ireland would get to choose what EU regulations were acceptable or not. The utter shamelessness of the DUP cowering in behind the GFA, they so hate, as a method of stymying the majority support for the backstop.

You are being played like a fiddle and you can't see it. The current government want to try to engineer a crash-out and you guys are helping them despite being the region, under current UK jurisdiction, that will suffer most.

On the upside, we've all gotten a refresher course on just how difficult Unionists are to deal with and how wreckless the British are when it comes to Ireland.

This will not be forgotten and you will not drag people in the north out of the EU without consequences.

The absurd thing about this is that if (in the fantasy world that the EU would agree to this) this deal got through, it would bring an end to NI quicker than a No Deal would.
The only problem is that this way would be the much less 'scenic' route, because NI would become unmanageable and a constant trenchant debate about it's place in the EU.

I love the way the EU are dealing with Boris's juvenile attempts to play the blame game here.

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