HOW, 45 Tons of my (flying) CO2 to be removed from the atmosphere

dohouch · 29-09-2019 06:51PM #1

Would like to plant non-commercial broadleaf trees in Ireland, anybody got ideas?

magicbastarder · 29-09-2019 07:10PM

that's a lot of flying. is that a year, or a lifetime worth?
you simply need land that's not currently wooded, and plant it. if 45 tons is your lifetime output, and you just want to remove 45 tons of CO2 over no fixed timescale, an acre should be sufficient. if however, you want to trap 45 tons a year, you need to up that by about a factor of 20.

dohouch · 29-09-2019 07:58PM

The last 12 years of flying.
An acre, doesn't seem too much.

Will have to start " Greta Thunberg Trust ( Irl ) Ltd " as beneficial owner , and get it National Park status so that it endures beyond me.
That is too much slog for me at the moment, maybe forever:(

Maybe you could point me towards some energetically minded, socially priced, able legal administrative assistants to push me a bit further along the way???????????

Effects · 29-09-2019 11:47PM

dohouch wrote: »

Maybe you could point me towards some energetically minded, socially priced,

How much would you be willing to pay for the acre?

dohouch · 30-09-2019 07:48AM

Effects wrote: »

How much would you be willing to pay for the acre?

No, idea. Not I in the business so no idea of what I should expect to pay. Are you offering? If so where and suitability for tree planting. Thanks

magicbastarder · 30-09-2019 09:23AM

kinda hard to just buy an acre of land in ireland, the seller would see it as '1 acre SPP' and probably look for €50k - €100k for it.
anyway, €10k as a round figure for land purchase and 1000 bare root whips, but that's (say) one one twentieth the cost of doing 20 acres.

also, it'll take me a bit of time to dig out the regs, but bizarrely you're not allowed just go and plant that much land; there's a kind of planning permission required now.

Effects · 30-09-2019 09:56AM

dohouch wrote: »

No, idea. Not I in the business so no idea of what I should expect to pay. Are you offering? If so where and suitability for tree planting. Thanks

It's just an idea I had. I've got land in Mayo. Very suitable for planting.

Effects · 30-09-2019 09:59AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

It'll take me a bit of time to dig out the regs, but bizarrely you're not allowed just go and plant that much land; there's a kind of planning permission required now.

I wasn't aware that the regs had changed that much. When I last looked into it I knew about having to keep it certain distances from roads, other dwellings etc.

I met with a couple of forestry advisers but it seemed pointless in the end.
They looked at me like I had ten heads when I told them I didn't want to plant sitka spruce.

magicbastarder · 30-09-2019 10:08AM

Afforestation – an Afforestation Licence is required for all afforestation projects where the area involved is greater than 0.10 hectares (approximately 0.25 acres);

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/forestservice/forestryandthelaw/

so you need a licence to plant more than a quarter of an acre, and it's not trivial to get that licence either, IIRC.

dohouch · 30-09-2019 10:30AM

Thanks all, me ol head goes fuzzy at the thought of dealing with regulations and departments. So maybe 4 separate parcels of 1/4 an acre. I'm learning as I go

dohouch · 30-09-2019 10:53AM

Have emailed Eamon Ryan- Green Party, maybe he can recruit someone to work through the red-tape

magicbastarder · 30-09-2019 11:16AM

maybe he can pay someone to do the necessary groundwork?
the green party do not have funds for that; unless you're supplying the funds maybe.

dohouch · 30-09-2019 12:13PM

My funds will pay license/regulatory fees, not lawyers or consultants ,

dohouch · 30-09-2019 12:17PM

I want to get another ball rolling. Did check. Carbon offset schemes online, but a too many options put me off. Might go back for another look at those websites.

magicbastarder · 30-09-2019 12:23PM

Effects wrote: »

I wasn't aware that the regs had changed that much. When I last looked into it I knew about having to keep it certain distances from roads, other dwellings etc.

I met with a couple of forestry advisers but it seemed pointless in the end.
They looked at me like I had ten heads when I told them I didn't want to plant sitka spruce.

any reason you didn't just start putting trees in the ground yourself? was your plan to create just a natural woodland, or were you looking into growing hardwood for harvesting?

magicbastarder · 30-09-2019 12:28PM

dohouch wrote: »

My funds will pay license/regulatory fees, not lawyers or consultants ,

there are several organisations which might be of assistance, who restore or even try to create woodlands and other habitats; woodland is often mentioned because it's an obvious one, but bogs are also a carbon sink. i'm fairly certain there's a slower return on investment with a bog, in terms of CO2 sequestered per year.

anyway, if you had a reasonable sum of money, it might be worth donating to one of those organisations, who wouldn't (hopefully) be operating on an acre by acre basis.
it's worth noting - from what i know (i'm a volunteer with one) - they will generally not offer time or money to assist with land which they don't control.

Effects · 30-09-2019 05:37PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

any reason you didn't just start putting trees in the ground yourself? was your plan to create just a natural woodland, or were you looking into growing hardwood for harvesting?

My plan was to plant about 1.5 hectares in total, and get the grant and annual payment for it. A lot of ground to cover if I was just to do it myself, not to mention expense.

Natural woodland, with a mixture of broadleafs and other trees. Some alder around some of the wet/marshy spots. I've no desire to plant anything to make money out of in the future, aside from some trees I can coppice for firewood.

I just want to do something good for the planet, and I love the clear feeling I get in my mind when I'm surrounded by trees.

I already plant a small amount of various trees each year. I put down around 25 apple trees ten years ago, and make cider with the apples.

dohouch · 30-09-2019 06:00PM

I give in easily, found a few Irish based projects like, Trees on the Land, The boghill Centre,
then
Green-e® Climate- A global third-party certification program for carbon offsets
http://www.climateactionreserve.org/

So looks like I will go and root round on those sites and see what I can figure out.

Appreciate the replies and added bit of knowledge harvested here.

magicbastarder · 01-10-2019 08:41AM

Effects wrote: »

My plan was to plant about 1.5 hectares in total, and get the grant and annual payment for it. A lot of ground to cover if I was just to do it myself, not to mention expense.

you could let it spontaneously rewild? maybe plant a few small patches and leave it be?

i'm not aware of anyone who's tried it, but maybe just scatter seed and leave it to take care of itself - now's the time of year to gather seed (if you actually live beside or near the site)

Effects · 01-10-2019 10:01AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

you could let it spontaneously rewild? maybe plant a few small patches and leave it be?

I've already got sections of it that's rewilded. Some bogland as well that's just left to do it's own thing.
I keep bees there as well, which can be a bit of a headache when I live 200km away!

I need to get some kind of income from the land though, in order to pay for maintenance and repairs.

I'll get the trees planted. It's just a matter of getting the time to research and organise the work.

magicbastarder · 01-10-2019 10:31AM

Effects wrote: »

I've already got sections of it that's rewilded. Some bogland as well that's just left to do it's own thing.

what has been happening to the land that has been left? what sort of vegetation is appearing?

Large bottle small glass · 01-10-2019 10:43AM

dohouch wrote: »

Have emailed Eamon Ryan- Green Party, maybe he can recruit someone to work through the red-tape

Work the regulations/red tape in your favour.

Approach forestry growers groups. Making money from growing trees is hard, especially in the short medium term.

The reason the country is full of sitka is short rotation, low quality land is fine, it has a developed market and requires minimal work in comparison to lots of broadleaves(for the first 15 years I was barely in my 14acre sitka but have nearly names on my best 7 acee ash trees).

There is a deal to be done with farmers, once properly contracted in terms of long term lease in planting small parcels of native trees. It would need a robust legal framework however.

No reason a department couldn't do similar.

magicbastarder · 01-10-2019 10:48AM

how is the ash doing? i'm starting to see a lot of stag headed ash appearing.

Large bottle small glass · 01-10-2019 12:12PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

how is the ash doing? i'm starting to see a lot of stag headed ash appearing.

Very good, probably one of the best young private ash plantations in the country; that said with the knowledge I could be met by ash dieback any day.

The difference between the ash and the immediately adjacent sitka is pretty stark. In the ash I have seen (some quite regularly) badger, deer, hare, pine Martens and who knows how many types of birds and insects etc.

The sitka once canopy closed is a desert.

The short ash growing season with our mild climate really gives undergrowth a chance

dohouch · 01-10-2019 12:13PM

Large bottle small glass wrote: »

but have nearly names on my best 7 acee ash trees).
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Geez I'll have to plant my Chestnut trees close to my bed so I can give them a cuddle during the night.:eek:

Have made contact with the Green Economy Foundation, and have hopes that they can help absorb some of my exhausts

MrMusician18 · 01-10-2019 12:19PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

kinda hard to just buy an acre of land in ireland, the seller would see it as '1 acre SPP' and probably look for €50k - €100k for it.
anyway, €10k as a round figure for land purchase and 1000 bare root whips, but that's (say) one one twentieth the cost of doing 20 acres.

also, it'll take me a bit of time to dig out the regs, but bizarrely you're not allowed just go and plant that much land; there's a kind of planning permission required now.

No it isn't that hard.
There is plenty of agricultural land for sale, the price of marginal agricultural land suitable for planting is about 3k/acre.

It would be relatively hard to find a plot less than 10acres for sale though, you're best bet would be to go in with a farmer buying something larger and split. Since it's for planting long term with no intention to harvest you'd only have to negotiate access for the initial planting and pedestrian access. A far away corner of a plot would do.

magicbastarder · 01-10-2019 01:09PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

No it isn't that hard.
It would be relatively hard

not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me!

dohouch · 02-10-2019 09:41AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

No it isn't that hard.
There is plenty of agricultural land for sale, the price of marginal agricultural land suitable for planting is about 3k/acre.

The idea of having my acre of wood long term appeals to me greatly. Unfortunately , my gardening experiences, to date, have not been noteworthy for their output.:mad::o

tabby aspreme · 03-10-2019 10:40AM

Large bottle small glass wrote: »

Very good, probably one of the best young private ash plantations in the country; that said with the knowledge I could be met by ash dieback any day.

The difference between the ash and the immediately adjacent sitka is pretty stark. In the ash I have seen (some quite regularly) badger, deer, hare, pine Martens and who knows how many types of birds and insects etc.

The sitka once canopy closed is a desert.

The short ash growing season with our mild climate really gives undergrowth a chance

If the ash continues to grow well it will smother out the undergrowth in the next year or two, at eight years there was nothing growing under mine, oak is the same, the alder seems to lose its lower branches quickly and there is lots of undergrowth with it, despite it being 8-10 meters high

tabby aspreme · 03-10-2019 10:46AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

No it isn't that hard.
There is plenty of agricultural land for sale, the price of marginal agricultural land suitable for planting is about 3k/acre.

It would be relatively hard to find a plot less than 10acres for sale though, you're best bet would be to go in with a farmer buying something larger and split. Since it's for planting long term with no intention to harvest you'd only have to negotiate access for the initial planting and pedestrian access. A far away corner of a plot would do.

Forestry is a commercial activity so you would need the correct right of way to access the land, 10 acres of hard wood would produce a lot of thinnings within the first twenty years, so you would need access for a tractor at least

easypazz · 03-10-2019 10:51AM

If you leave the land to its own devices trees will grow anyway.

HOW, 45 Tons of my (flying) CO2 to be removed from the atmosphere

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