Fine Gael the Dublin Party ?

Idbatterim · 29-09-2019 08:03PM

billions flow out of dublin to be redistributed to the rest of ireland every year. We have a disgrace of a transport "system". While FG the morons are to blame for a lot, they arent to blame for the global race of city from rural to urban areas :rolleyes:

the planning in dublin is appalling, but what do the country people want? if there is an easy solution to the appalling one off house planning, etc death of the local village etc, why arent they doing something about?

according to everybody in this country, they are all broke. Nobody has a cent to spare! They bemoan the post offices and garda stations going etc and the damage it inflicts on the community and I get that, I personally dont understand why they were closed, to save a total irrelevance money wise and I get that it damages the community. But here is the flip side of that, they say they dont want to pay more LPT (which is a pittance) many of those complaining are recipients of a welfare scheme of ridiculous largess, you cant have it both ways!

also total shocker that they companies locate in the only "city" of any scale we have here! :rolleyes:

Stopitwillya · 29-09-2019 08:14PM

As a Waterford man, I hope they get decimated in the next general election. I cannot speak for other counties outside Dublin but their treatment of Waterford is a disgrace. I am sitting here typing this knowing a heart attack will probably kill me as we have no cardiac care outside 9-5 Monday to Friday. It's a bloody disgrace. Despite having a good potential td in paudie Coffey here and some hard working councillors here the actions from the likes of Leo and Simon Harris mean they won't get anyone elected from that party come the next general election.

Plumbthedepths · 29-09-2019 08:28PM

Stopitwillya wrote: »

As a Waterford man, I hope they get decimated in the next general election. I cannot speak for other counties outside Dublin but their treatment of Waterford is a disgrace. I am sitting here typing this knowing a heart attack will probably kill me as we have no cardiac care outside 9-5 Monday to Friday. It's a bloody disgrace. Despite having a good potential td in paudie Coffey here and some hard working councillors here the actions from the likes of Leo and Simon Harris mean they won't get anyone elected from that party come the next general election.

Is that the same Paudie Coffey who appointed his driver to the board of Irish Water?

JupiterKid · 29-09-2019 08:30PM

This mythical homeless crisis again.

Jesus the left wing media have really done a job on this nation.

I lecture and work in policy analysis in housing and urban planning and we have a severe housing crisis on a scale and depth not seen since the 1960s. I would like to think that I know what I'm talking about.

The origins of the crisis lie in housing policies going back to the 1990s and the failure of successive governments and particularly the current one in addressing it properly.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 29-09-2019 08:34PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Is that the same Paudie Coffey who appointed his driver to the board of Irish Water?

Not quite. He appointed a member of the board as his driver. But still naïve move at best.

pgj2015 · 29-09-2019 08:58PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

It's not like the response to any crime will come from a small station with one guard doing nothing most of the time

really? if i am being attacked in my house in rural ireland, the old rural garda station is half a mile away, the guard is going to be able to help me a lot quicker than the guards in the station 20 miles away.

29-09-2019 09:02PM

Might be alright for you if you live beside the Garda station but the cops in it are probably responsible for an area 20-30km in each direction.

So they need to be out and about.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 29-09-2019 09:08PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

really? if i am being attacked in my house in rural ireland, the old rural garda station is half a mile away, the guard is going to be able to help me a lot quicker than the guards in the station 20 miles away.

You mean like when we had someone burgling our house twenty years ago and we phone the local station to be told "the car is away at the moment. He'll be at least a half hour...lock your bedroom door and shout that you've called the Gardaí"? As opposed to calling the station in the nearest town last year for our neighbour and they were there in well under 15 minutes.? Not everybody covered by the old stations were half a mile away from them.

pgj2015 · 29-09-2019 09:51PM

Tobias Squeaking Playpen wrote: »

You mean like when we had someone burgling our house twenty years ago and we phone the local station to be told "the car is away at the moment. He'll be at least a half hour...lock your bedroom door and shout that you've called the Gardaí"? As opposed to calling the station in the nearest town last year for our neighbour and they were there in well under 15 minutes.? Not everybody covered by the old stations were half a mile away from them.

you were just unlucky, id still rather a garda station a few miles away than ringing one a half hour or more away. some garda stations in towns aren't even open 24 hours anymore.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 29-09-2019 09:57PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

id still rather a garda station a few miles away.

Wouldn't we all! Physically impossible though and impractical for us all to live within a few miles of a station.

I'm not defending the closing of stations but some of us in rural areas feel safer now than when we had a local station in name only.

Greentopia · 01-10-2019 12:50AM

Tobias Squeaking Playpen wrote: »

Wow, relax!

I was responding to comments on rural for a start. No significant housing policy changes here nor any worse homelessness under the current government. Rural PO? We lost ours over twenty years ago and we survived absolutely fine. It seems it closed for a good reason - nobody used it. Insurance costs are no different to most of us rural compared to urban. Carbon emissions??? Come on! Are you in the correct thread?

I wasn't defending them but just saying it as it actually is here, in so far as the thread was presented.

And I'm in rural Ireland too and see how neglected the part of the country I'm from-Waterford has been under FG.

Another poster from the county mentioned here about the lack of 24/7 cardiac services. FG have done nothing to provide this service for the people of the SE while people have literally died in an ambulance on the way to Cork University hospital because they had a heart attack outside the hours of Mon-Fri 9am-5pm.
https://www.thejournal.ie/john-halligan-waterford-cath-lab-3459799-Jun2017/

Would you still be ok with giving them your vote in the next election if you or your family had to run that risk?

And no worse homelessness in rural Ireland? are you kidding me? I don't know where you are but I only have to walk around places in Waterford to see with my own eyes how much worse homelessness has gotten under FG and Eoghan Murphy.

Yes insurance costs are no worse here than in urban areas, but my point was to say that insurance costs have risen unsustainably across the country, not just rural Ireland. A big part of that is because of lack of regulation and lack of action by government in addressing the issue.

You're not defending them but you say you will give them your vote in the next election. I pointed out reasons why it makes no sense to do so given the piss poor job they've made of their tenure in office.

ToddyDoody · 01-10-2019 12:53AM

Whatever happened to Enda Kenny?

ittakestwo · 01-10-2019 07:55AM

Basically it's the private sector that is choosing to invest in Dublin over rural areas and governments are not interfering....and should they interfere?

The likes of Google and Facebook are not going to locate in a rural area and why should a government insist they do? And how can a government make them.

Governments recently have taken a policy of let the private sector decide and not interfere.

I would guess if you looked at the tax receipts and tax expenditure for every county in the country. Dublin will be the only one running a surplus.

People in rural areas seem to think they have an entitlement to sponge of the tax take of dublin.

Why should governments pump money into rural areas if they are not going to get it back in tax?

Feisar · 01-10-2019 08:05AM

Stopitwillya wrote: »

As a Waterford man, I hope they get decimated in the next general election. I cannot speak for other counties outside Dublin but their treatment of Waterford is a disgrace. I am sitting here typing this knowing a heart attack will probably kill me as we have no cardiac care outside 9-5 Monday to Friday. It's a bloody disgrace. Despite having a good potential td in paudie Coffey here and some hard working councillors here the actions from the likes of Leo and Simon Harris mean they won't get anyone elected from that party come the next general election.

To be fair a bicycle would do a lot to prevent that heart attack.

Micky 32 · 01-10-2019 09:35AM

Feisar wrote: »

To be fair a bicycle would do a lot to prevent that heart attack.

Seriously? It won't stop hereditary heart attacks, i know lots of people who were fit and had heart attacks , nothing to do with cycling, :rolleyes::rolleyes:

JohnnyFlash · 01-10-2019 09:39AM

We need less hospitals in this country, not more of them. The idea that Waterford should have a specialist heart function when Cork is over the road is ludicrous. See what happens in places like Canada and even France - you centralise the expertise, not spread it out far too thinly to former TB hospitals in the sticks.

Feisar · 01-10-2019 09:58AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Seriously? It won't stop hereditary heart attacks, i know lots of people who were fit and had heart attacks , nothing to do with cycling, :rolleyes::rolleyes:

What are you trying to convey with the rolleyes emoji?

Abel Ruiz · 01-10-2019 10:22AM

Fianna gael and fianna fail are *****.
End of story.

topper75 · 01-10-2019 11:07AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

They are seemingly "soft" on the travellers as well, so he can let posters dovetail their Dubs bashing with some traveller bashing as well, how thoughtful.

There are 31,000 travellers in Ireland, that means that 1/2 % of the Irish population manage to take up 50% of the racist bile posted on these threads. Quite an achievement if you ask me.

His post referred to inaction in relation to traveller gangs and their ravaging of rural Ireland is well documented. He didn't demand that FG should have sought to harass all 31,000 of them, as your post imagines.

Mad_maxx · 01-10-2019 11:16AM

pgj2015 wrote: »

Mad_maxx wrote: »

It's not like the response to any crime will come from a small station with one guard doing nothing most of the time

really? if i am being attacked in my house in rural ireland, the old rural garda station is half a mile away, the guard is going to be able to help me a lot quicker than the guards in the station 20 miles away.

A garda from a single manned station would not attend to an incident involving toddlers fighting in a playground, they wait for backup from the nearest larger station

Mad_maxx · 01-10-2019 11:23AM

topper75 wrote: »

IAMAMORON wrote: »

They are seemingly "soft" on the travellers as well, so he can let posters dovetail their Dubs bashing with some traveller bashing as well, how thoughtful.

There are 31,000 travellers in Ireland, that means that 1/2 % of the Irish population manage to take up 50% of the racist bile posted on these threads. Quite an achievement if you ask me.

His post referred to inaction in relation to traveller gangs and their ravaging of rural Ireland is well documented. He didn't demand that FG should have sought to harass all 31,000 of them, as your post imagines.

In fairness to the guards ( and i have little time for them), they run the risk of being tarred with the "racism" tag if they get serious about the tinker menace, beit the media or other leftist ****, they don't need the bad publicity

Ray Palmer · 01-10-2019 03:30PM

touts wrote: »

So who is to blame. Who has a vested interest in diverting as much money into Dublin as possible. Not FF or FG to be honest. They get decimated in the polls because of these policies. No it's the permanent government in Dublin. The unelected civil servants who run the country with Leo and Enda and Brian and Bertie as their scapegoats. The only way to solve this is to decentralise power by relocating departments out of Dublin. Charlie McCreevey tried that and was banished to Brussels for his trouble. But it will have to be forced through at some point.

Have you ever worked in the civil service? A large organisation? I ask because I have and what you are describing is not my experience.

What is this vested interest a Dublin civil servant is going to have? Do you think they are trying to make sure their children and neighbours have jobs or higher priced property? Civil servants located in Dublin are not all from Dublin. The majority are not from Dublin and the same applies to politicians.

Civil servants can't decide what is going to happen the ministers and their reps do. I was working on a solution to a big issue and we were trying to figure out the quickest and cheapest option as there has to be some compromise. While we were having the meeting the minister came out and announced to the media what was to be done and when. It was the most expensive and time consuming method requiring people to work through the night. They made the decision and we had to carry it out. This applies every time. The senior civil servants have to do what the minister says. To suggest there is a secret government making the decision is popostrus. New government comes in projects are scrapped and/or radically overhauled no matter costs.

When a new minister arrives it takes them a while to get an understanding of how a department works. At this point it is normally when they change their tune about what they said in opposition. They see all the hard facts and see the processes and realise that they need more money. All those extra charges and cut in services will have to happen because reality doesn't change because of your ideology.

Also don't forget the public are a bunch of idiots with little to no experience of dealing with the complexities of large organisations. The public scream and shout and close down things. Voting machines are a good example. They worked, saved money and made counting quicker. The public didn't like them and had fears stoked up by the opposition so they were scrapped. Huge waste of money but it was the public who did that.

Stopitwillya · 01-10-2019 10:04PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

We need less hospitals in this country, not more of them. The idea that Waterford should have a specialist heart function when Cork is over the road is ludicrous. See what happens in places like Canada and even France - you centralise the expertise, not spread it out far too thinly to former TB hospitals in the sticks.

Over the road.

Tell that to the families of people who died in the back of ambulances cause it takes so long to get over the road.
What about people in South Wexford. Are they not entitled to the same standard of healthcare as people in Dublin or cork.

Micky 32 · 01-10-2019 10:19PM

Feisar wrote: »

What are you trying to convey with the rolleyes emoji?

I was replying to a stupid reply, it made me roll my eyes for some reason

is_that_so · 01-10-2019 11:40PM

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

Fianna gael and fianna fail are *****.
End of story.

The actual end of the story is that one or the other will be in a position to form the next government.

Danzy · 01-10-2019 11:42PM

PinotNero wrote: »

You do realise that one of Fine Gaels strongest voting blocs is wealthy farmers, landowners.

That vote wouldn't be enough to elect 5 Tds though.

OneEightSeven · 02-10-2019 02:11AM

Nearly all of rural Ireland's problems are down to one-off housing. If towns like Sligo and Athlone had larger populations, there would be more job opportunities and more reason to live in the surrounding area, hence the reason why towns and villages within the vicinity of Cork City are thriving. The National Broadband Plan should be cancelled and broadband should be used to incentivise people to migrate into these dying towns and villages. Any business in the countryside that doesn't actually need to be located in the countryside, should migrate their business to a nearby urban area.

The taxpayer shouldn't have to subsidise something that is commercially viable in urban areas. One-off housing just isn't sustainable. Spending €3 billion on a project that blatantly exists to buy votes from rural dwellers will continue to destroy our towns and villages.

Plumbthedepths · 02-10-2019 10:28AM

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Nearly all of rural Ireland's problems are down to one-off housing. If towns like Sligo and Athlone had larger populations, there would be more job opportunities and more reason to live in the surrounding area, hence the reason why towns and villages within the vicinity of Cork City are thriving. The National Broadband Plan should be cancelled and broadband should be used to incentivise people to migrate into these dying towns and villages. Any business in the countryside that doesn't actually need to be located in the countryside, should migrate their business to a nearby urban area.

The taxpayer shouldn't have to subsidise something that is commercially viable in urban areas. One-off housing just isn't sustainable. Spending €3 billion on a project that blatantly exists to buy votes from rural dwellers will continue to destroy our towns and villages.

Two paragraphs of absolute rubbish.

Greentopia · 06-10-2019 12:01AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

We need less hospitals in this country, not more of them. The idea that Waterford should have a specialist heart function when Cork is over the road is ludicrous.

Over the road? You do realise to drive between Waterford city and Cork University hospital takes an hour and 40 minutes by car which puts it outside the golden hour needed to give the best chances of preventing irreversible damage to the heart following a heart attack and possibly save a patients life?

Fine Gael the Dublin Party ?

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