RWC 2019 Ireland v Japan Match Thread: Group A - Sat 28th Sep 08:15 Shizuoka

Gamb!t · 28-09-2019 11:17AM

Are people serious that they would prefer to play NZ instead of South Africa next round should we qualify

johnnyskeleton · 28-09-2019 11:19AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Best’s throwing was poor today but Murray constantly kicking possession away to a running team cost us. Keep giving possession away and will suffer.

I agree a little bit, but mostly disagree.

I dislike it when Ireland give away possession so easily, but felt that Murray didn't do it as much as Ireland normally do when they are under severe forward pressure. He didn't have the scrum stability nor the careful phased rooking game that allows him to really excel, and he often ended up in the ruck given the ferocity and skill of the Japanese tacklers. And regarding the kicking game generally, there were two excellent kicks that pinned the Japanese team back in their own half (the one from Carty was superb, just short of touch and forced the Japanese to collect and go into touch for an Irish 20 throw in).

Ultimately, I felt that Ireland were trying to play the type of rugby that you see Southern Hemisphere teams play - fast, fluid, unpredictable - and were beaten by a team playing Ireland's own tactics against them. It's very hard to lay blame at any one person's feet and I think it's unfair to blame Murray on this occasion as he just didn't have the options in the second half

Navanboyo · 28-09-2019 11:19AM

Think its only fair to point out to the newer posters on here who may not be as clued in as everyone else and who may have missed the obvious, that Ireland are the Number 1 team in the world and coached by the no 1 coach in the World.

Joe would have been fairly angry at that first half performance. All that cross field kicking and offloads may have been opening up the Japanese but thats no way to approach games of this magnitude and certainly not the way we got to become the NUMBER 1 TEAM IN THE WORLD.

It is testament to the genius of the man that at half time he faced the biggest test of his career so far and managed to turn that second half around. Now we got to see the real thing. Bring the ball into contact and then when inevitably we found ourselves going backwards, to kick the ball down the japanese throats and make them run the ball back at us.

Despite what people think this was absolutely the right percentage call, and brought us back to playing the type of rugby that most people call outdated but as Joe knows, exactly the type of play that has brought us to the peak of world rugby.

Some may say this was his biggest tactical success yet, but do not forget that this was the man who brilliantly announced his departure from his post a year ago thus ensuring that his team would rise to even greater heights as they celebrated his last year in charge and also lest we forget this was the man who made the decision to leave big Dev at home thus at a stroke confusing every team in the tournament who based thier tactics on playing an irish team who would enjoy dominence at the lineout, a masterstroke that will become more obvious the longer the tournament goes on.

In Joe we trust

Injuryprone · 28-09-2019 11:19AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

If we dont get a BP vs Russia than its deff curtains

Max we can get is 16pts
Scotland can get max 15 pts (3x BP wins in there games)
Japan will deff top the Grp with 2 more BP wins (20pts)

I think you might need to have another look at your maths

riddles · 28-09-2019 11:20AM

If that lineout comes up against SA or NZ I see it dissolving like a dispirin.

The Iron Giant · 28-09-2019 11:21AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He was dragged off the pitch before he got a yellow

He was the back row with the most amount of rest and had to be taken off while the other two had to stay on

He added zero to the team again....apart from a penalty count.....huge loss Conan and hopefully he is alright, if not get Nordi over quick

IRFU confirmed Conan has gone home. No replacement yet although it will be Jordi.

flatface · 28-09-2019 11:21AM

Great performance by Japan, I wish I was watching that as a neutral I would have enjoyed that display as much as their cracking win against SA.

It was a disappointing game by Ireland they look tired out there and the pressure made them make a lot of errors that handed back possession and momentum. Then we were chasing and panicking.

We will probably swing back with a great performance again, we are capable of beating anyone on a given day but we have unfortunately lost the advantage in this group. What a shame for our desire to control a quarter final build up

Hobosan · 28-09-2019 11:21AM

Gamb!t wrote: »

Are people serious that they would prefer to play NZ instead of South Africa next round should we qualify

I'd prefer to play Japan over Scotland in a final. Yet here we are.

Movementarian · 28-09-2019 11:22AM

Gamb!t wrote: »

Are people serious that they would prefer to play NZ instead of South Africa next round should we qualify

South Africa play the same style as us but probably have more power. Our style of keeping posession counters teams like NZ who play all out attack. So yeah can see why NZ might be a better match IF we play to 100%.

But very little so far to show we can do that at the moment. And too many people carrying knocks in the team at the moment.

johnnyskeleton · 28-09-2019 11:22AM

Gamb!t wrote: »

Are people serious that they would prefer to play NZ instead of South Africa next round should we qualify

The theory is based on three things:
1) Ireland have beaten NZ twice of out three recently whereas the resurgent SA are something of an unknown quantity;
2) that the South African heavy pack and agile wingers will be harder for Ireland to defend than NZ's all round good team;
3) Ireland will give their all against NZ in the Quarter Final, whereas, like 2015, they might underestimate SA in the Quarters.

Personally, I think this is more of a "hot take" than a reliable analysis. Just look at how well NZ played against Australia and in their opener against SA, and it's clear that SA would be a better Quarter Final draw for Ireland (or indeed for any team).

Jamie2k9 · 28-09-2019 11:23AM

Gamb!t wrote: »

Are people serious that they would prefer to play NZ instead of South Africa next round should we qualify

Well would be better to play them and knock them out

No point hoping another team will knock them out...

Irish Rugby qualify has been knocked since we beat New Zealand in November.

riddles · 28-09-2019 11:24AM

Navanboyo wrote: »

Think its only fair to point out to the newer posters on here who may not be as clued in as everyone else and who may have missed the obvious, that Ireland are the Number 1 team in the world and coached by the no 1 coach in the World.

Joe would have been fairly angry at that first half performance. All that cross field kicking and offloads may have been opening up the Japanese but thats no way to approach games of this magnitude and certainly not the way we got to become the NUMBER 1 TEAM IN THE WORLD.

It is testament to the genius of the man that at half time he faced the biggest test of his career so far and managed to turn that second half around. Now we got to see the real thing. Bring the ball into contact and then when inevitably we found ourselves going backwards, to kick the ball down the japanese throats and make them run the ball back at us.

Despite what people think this was absolutely the right percentage call, and brought us back to playing the type of rugby that most people call outdated but as Joe knows, exactly the type of play that has brought us to the peak of world rugby.

Some may say this was his biggest tactical success yet, but do not forget that this was the man who brilliantly announced his departure from his post a year ago thus ensuring that his team would rise to even greater heights as they celebrated his last year in charge and also lest we forget this was the man who made the decision to leave big Dev at home thus at a stroke confusing every team in the tournament who based thier tactics on playing an irish team who would enjoy dominence at the lineout, a masterstroke that will become more obvious the longer the tournament goes on.

In Joe we trust

So they deliberately lost the game to feed into an overall master plan not evident to all but all but an enlightened few.

Leinstertomas · 28-09-2019 11:25AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

If we dont get a BP vs Russia than its deff curtains

Max we can get is 16pts
Scotland can get max 15 pts (3x BP wins in there games)
Japan will deff top the Grp with 2 more BP wins (20pts)

First tie breaker is H2H so if we get 9 points from our last 2 games we will finish above Scotland regardless of their results

PhlegmyMoses · 28-09-2019 11:26AM

Navanboyo wrote: »

Think its only fair to point out to the newer posters on here who may not be as clued in as everyone else and who may have missed the obvious, that Ireland are the Number 1 team in the world and coached by the no 1 coach in the World.

Joe would have been fairly angry at that first half performance. All that cross field kicking and offloads may have been opening up the Japanese but thats no way to approach games of this magnitude and certainly not the way we got to become the NUMBER 1 TEAM IN THE WORLD.

It is testament to the genius of the man that at half time he faced the biggest test of his career so far and managed to turn that second half around. Now we got to see the real thing. Bring the ball into contact and then when inevitably we found ourselves going backwards, to kick the ball down the japanese throats and make them run the ball back at us.

Despite what people think this was absolutely the right percentage call, and brought us back to playing the type of rugby that most people call outdated but as Joe knows, exactly the type of play that has brought us to the peak of world rugby.

Some may say this was his biggest tactical success yet, but do not forget that this was the man who brilliantly announced his departure from his post a year ago thus ensuring that his team would rise to even greater heights as they celebrated his last year in charge and also lest we forget this was the man who made the decision to leave big Dev at home thus at a stroke confusing every team in the tournament who based thier tactics on playing an irish team who would enjoy dominence at the lineout, a masterstroke that will become more obvious the longer the tournament goes on.

In Joe we trust

You wrote this and thought that it was clever but really, it was just cringey

SophieLockhart · 28-09-2019 11:27AM

Biggest humiliation since 1801

MadYaker · 28-09-2019 11:28AM

Yeah I dunno what he’s on about. Joe fluffed it in the second half of you asked me, we changed tack from the approach that got us 2 tries in the first half.

The Rape of Lucretia · 28-09-2019 11:30AM

Didn't watch the game as I knew it was an inconsequential one and that Ireland would win by 20 points or so.

1) From the thread, it seems the ref was truly extraordinarily bad. Was he bad enough to suggest he was under instructions to deliver a home result if at all feasible?

2) The only interesting element in the game was the risk of Ireland getting 1st team players injured for the qf. Were any, or are they all healthy?

ceegee · 28-09-2019 11:30AM

smelly sock wrote: »

At least the soccer team have to have a dlood relative, at least at grand parentage level.

In Rugby have a guinnes and you qualify.

Soccer players can qualify through naturalization, no need for a blood relative.
The only difference at present is Rugby only requires 3 years residency, rather than 5 for citizenship. With the incoming rule changes, any player eligible to play rugby for us via residency rules would also be eligible for the soccer team

eclipsechaser · 28-09-2019 11:31AM

leakyboots wrote: »

Bit of a poor read from RK on that try. He played well apart from that I thought

I believe he failed a HIA from the arm across the face tackle.

28-09-2019 11:32AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Didn't watch the game as I knew it was an inconsequential one and that Ireland would win by 20 points or so.

1) From the thread, it seems the ref was truly extraordinarily bad. Was he bad enough to suggest he was under instructions to deliver a home result if at all feasible?

2) The only interesting element in the game was the risk of Ireland getting 1st team players injured for the qf. We're any, or are they all healthy?

The ref really wasn't as bad as people are making out.

The Rape of Lucretia · 28-09-2019 11:32AM

SophieLockhart wrote: »

Biggest humiliation since 1801

'The Debacle at Lens' is maybe the one you are looking for, but that was far worse. It put us out. This game has no consequences on our wc chances, and if anything has the upside of gallantly giving the hosts a nice day in the sun. Everyone's a winner really.

Gamb!t · 28-09-2019 11:32AM

Navanboyo wrote: »

Think its only fair to point out to the newer posters on here who may not be as clued in as everyone else and who may have missed the obvious, that Ireland are the Number 1 team in the world and coached by the no 1 coach in the World.

Joe would have been fairly angry at that first half performance. All that cross field kicking and offloads may have been opening up the Japanese but thats no way to approach games of this magnitude and certainly not the way we got to become the NUMBER 1 TEAM IN THE WORLD.

It is testament to the genius of the man that at half time he faced the biggest test of his career so far and managed to turn that second half around. Now we got to see the real thing. Bring the ball into contact and then when inevitably we found ourselves going backwards, to kick the ball down the japanese throats and make them run the ball back at us.

Despite what people think this was absolutely the right percentage call, and brought us back to playing the type of rugby that most people call outdated but as Joe knows, exactly the type of play that has brought us to the peak of world rugby.

Some may say this was his biggest tactical success yet, but do not forget that this was the man who brilliantly announced his departure from his post a year ago thus ensuring that his team would rise to even greater heights as they celebrated his last year in charge and also lest we forget this was the man who made the decision to leave big Dev at home thus at a stroke confusing every team in the tournament who based thier tactics on playing an irish team who would enjoy dominence at the lineout, a masterstroke that will become more obvious the longer the tournament goes on.

In Joe we trust

Surely the first half was better than the second half as we led at half time and scored two tries ?
Dont agree with that either as I think it seems to have had the Alex Ferguson effect like he announced his first retirement in 2002 and the team struggled that season.

Naggdefy · 28-09-2019 11:33AM

As a team we were so sluggish. It looked like we were doing heavy training again with a view towards the Boks.

thebaz · 28-09-2019 11:34AM

Well done Japan - they fully deserved to win , played great rugby - my biggest concern was the dip in form of so many of the Irish players - Henshaw can't come back quick eneogh , is another level to Farrell , Carthy was worth a gamble , and started well, but Sexton is integral to this team doing well. We will beat Ruussia easily and Samoa will be tougher , but need a performance - very worried for a quater with so many players playing below par (Stockdal/CJ/Murray/Best/Furlong , even James Ryan looked tired, - but take nothing away from Japans day.

Jump_In_Jack · 28-09-2019 11:34AM

Leinstertomas wrote: »

First tie breaker is H2H so if we get 9 points from our last 2 games we will finish above Scotland regardless of their results

Unless that happens and Japan get 6 more points, i.e. beat Samoa with a bonus and lose to Scotland with a bonus point (losing bonus point or a try bonus point).
If three teams end up on 15 I don’t know how they decide who loses out, maybe it’s points scored?

MadYaker · 28-09-2019 11:35AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Didn't watch the game as I knew it was an inconsequential one and that Ireland would win by 20 points or so.

1) From the thread, it seems the ref was truly extraordinarily bad. Was he bad enough to suggest he was under instructions to deliver a home result if at all feasible?

2) The only interesting element in the game was the risk of Ireland getting 1st team players injured for the qf. We're any, or are they all healthy?

The Japanese were constantly coming in from the side and were also offside a lot and it wasn’t called. At one point they clearly knocked it on and the ref looked genuinely reluctant to blow the whistle. Ireland saw no such leniency and were penalised at every opportunity. But I don’t think it decided the game, they were just way better than us and deserved the win. I don’t watch as much rugby as most on here but it was probably the most one sided reffing I’ve seen.

Shefwedfan · 28-09-2019 11:36AM

Fair play to Japan....as the coach said they are lining this up for yearas

They picked the games so ireland would have the minimum rest. They picked the stadium with high humidity and they had a plan....we played right into it

Fair play to them....ireland used to be the plucky underdog so we should give them the respect they deserve for this win

Dravokivich · 28-09-2019 11:37AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I guess your talking about Irish Rugby fans who follow munster and leinster, or the experts on the media who talk up Irish Rugby.

*Number 1in World. Its a test not a friendly *

Clowns

We got to number 1 because of results from other games. Ireland had very little hand in it. And just like this pool, we may require other games to work out now to progress.

PTH2009 · 28-09-2019 11:37AM

If we dont get a BP vs Russia than its deff curtains

Max we can get is 16pts
Scotland can get max 15 pts (3x BP wins in there games)
Japan will deff top the Grp with 2 more BP wins (20pts)

The Lost Sheep · 28-09-2019 11:40AM

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Unless that happens and Japan get 6 more points, i.e. beat Samoa with a bonus and lose to Scotland with a bonus point (losing bonus point or a try bonus point).
If three teams end up on 15 I don’t know how they decide who loses out, maybe it’s points scored?

Same process. Head to head, points difference then try difference in games involving the 3 sides. then points scored in all pool games

RWC 2019 Ireland v Japan Match Thread: Group A - Sat 28th Sep 08:15 Shizuoka

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