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RWC 2019 Ireland v Japan Match Thread: Group A - Sat 28th Sep 08:15 Shizuoka

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Anjobe wrote: »
    Why do you say that - are you still underestimating Japan? They have been ranked ahead of Argentina for some time now. I know Argentina have a tougher time of it playing NZ and SA in the rugby championship but even so, Japan are currently a more highly rated side. Is this the problem here, is there an assumption that how a team has performed in the past has some significance with how they will do in the present? Argentina must be better because they have a longer, prouder rugby history? Because Ireland had a legitimate claim to be the best team in the world 12 months ago they must be able to beat all "lesser" teams now
    Very hard to say that pool A was toughest. Argentina may be ranked below but they do play higher standard of teams on regular basis so place in rankings will be lower


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Anjobe wrote: »
    Why do you say that - are you still underestimating Japan? They have been ranked ahead of Argentina for some time now. I know Argentina have a tougher time of it playing NZ and SA in the rugby championship but even so, Japan are currently a more highly rated side. Is this the problem here, is there an assumption that how a team has performed in the past has some significance with how they will do in the present? Argentina must be better because they have a longer, prouder rugby history? Because Ireland had a legitimate claim to be the best team in the world 12 months ago they must be able to beat all "lesser" teams now
    Very hard to say that pool A was toughest. Argentina may be ranked below but they do play higher standard of teams on regular basis so place in rankings will be lower


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    Very hard to say that pool A was toughest. Argentina may be ranked below but they do play higher standard of teams on regular basis so place in rankings will be lower

    Think I got that from a round up of writers predictions from the Guardian but I would agree. France have already beaten Argentina, although it was mighty close, and it will be a major surprise if England don't too. At this stage Scotland vs Japan looks a 50:50 at best.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,450 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Anjobe wrote: »
    If you're going to accuse someone of being pedantic you need to get your details right.
    Anjobe wrote:
    Ireland had last scored on 20 minutes and never really came close to scoring again.
    Having checked, yes, I got the timing of Carty's crossfield kick wrong. Waiting for you to admit that you were likewise wrong...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Having checked, yes, I got the timing of Carty's crossfield kick wrong. Waiting for you to admit that you were likewise wrong...

    Yes, I gave the time of the try, my bad!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Anjobe wrote: »
    First reasonable post in a while!



    Japan scored a try and took the lead on 58 minutes, the conversion was timed at 60 minutes. Ireland had last scored on 20 minutes and never really came close to scoring again. Japan had been comfortably the better team at least since 30 minutes and had been quite dominant in the 2nd half, so realistically it looked like Ireland had little chance from the point they lost the lead.



    Were you really still sticking to the delusion that Japan were some rubbish team that Ireland could walk all over at that point? Wake up and smell the cherry blossom Captain Hubris! Before the tournament Japan had been flagged up as the best team outside the top 8 by some distance making Pool A the trickiest for the top 2 teams. It does not require hindsight to say that Ireland were beaten well before the end of the game, and it is not my fault that you and many others seriously underestimated Japan.

    no not at all, still thought we'd win though, i'd only give up on Ireland if we were getting hammered


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    Has anyone who's registered with the Indo got the full text of this article and feel like copying & pasting? It's behind their regwall. Ta.
    I'd second that, would love a read.

    You do know that it`s free to register on their site? Anyway here you are.

    World Rugby admitted that referee got three penalties wrong in Saturday's shock loss to Japan - Joe Schmidt

    Ruaidhri O'Connor in Kobe
    October 1 2019 8:49 AM



    Ireland have received confirmation from World Rugby that referee Angus Gardner got three key penalty decisions wrong in their shock defeat to Japan last Saturday according to Joe Schmidt.
    The head coach, who was keen to reiterate his praise for the hosts after naming his team for Thursday's clash with Russia, voiced his concern about the Australian official in the build-up to last weekend's game and, as is the norm, submitted a detailed dossier on the refereeing in the aftermath.
    Ireland were particularly frustrated by Japan coming in from the side at the breakdown and cleaning deep to set the defensive line back further.
    But the coach said the defeat was his team's own responsibility as they let a commanding first quarter position slip in Shizuoka.
    "I think I mentioned earlier that we certainly learned that we're capable. In that first 20 minutes, to go 12-3 up, we demonstrated that," he said.
    "We did put ourselves on the back foot and partly went onto the back foot.
    "We were penalised for offside four times and we've now got the feedback that three of those were incorrect calls. People were asking us about our discipline.
    "It's pretty hard to keep getting off the line and onto the front foot when you are getting those calls. Two of them were from an Assistant Referee (Jerome Garces) who is going to be refereeing us on Thursday, so we know we're going to have to be on our best behaviour.
    "One thing I would say about this team is that they try to go out and deliver and, generally speaking, it's unusual for us to have a higher penalty count than our opponents.
    "So it's frustrating that in the first two games…. I thought Wayne [Barnes] did a super job (in Ireland v Scotland).
    "I know that, to a degree, Scotland were happy with how Wayne went in the first game as well. That's our fault if we were on the wrong side of the penalty count there but I do think we've got to try to look after that as best we can.
    "We've got to make sure that we don't become passive in a game to an opposition that are playing in front of their home crowd. You'd have to be really impressed with the way that they got themselves back into the game.
    "If it wasn't us that lost the game, I'd say, 'Wow, that's fantastic for the tournament.' Everywhere we've gone, the Japanese people have been incredibly excited about the game.
    "They're delighted with us, obviously, and I think loads of interest has been spiked by that."
    Schmidt picked Johnny Sexton to start as captain for the first time, while Jordi Murphy comes into the team right away at No 8 having arrived in Japan as a replacement for Jack Conan on Sunday.
    "He trained unbelievably well today. He is straight off the flight, he got in late Sunday so he's at least had a couple of nights. He was feeling good yesterday," Schmidt said of the Ulster back-row.
    "One of the things is that a 7.15pm (local) game so that's around midday in Irish terms so he doesn't have to recalibrate himself too much to get out and play the game, hopefully.
    "We'll give him the weekend then after that. So we are just asking for him to do the best he can for us. The one thing with Jordi is that you seldom get anything other than that.
    "He's a really good performer for us and we'd have a lot of confidence about him being able to slot straight in.
    "We do need to make sure everyone is ready and involved as much as possible, to get everyone up to speed.
    "It's pretty tough with a six-day and then a five-day turnaround there's always going to be a bit of attrition.
    "We're looking to freshen it up and give guys an opportunity. It's great because we've got some guys who would have been very, very keen to be involved who will get an opportunity on Thursday."
    Robbie Henshaw remains with the squad and could make his comeback from a hamstring injury against Samoa on Saturday week.
    In his and the concussed Chris Farrell's absence, Garry Ringrose is tasked with starting his third World Cup match in 12 days.
    Schmidt admitted it is a risk, but heaped praise on his young centre who has been one of Ireland's star attractions at this tournament.
    "It's a risk but he is feeling great, and he's playing super," Schmidt said.
    "I thought Garry was really good last weekend, he was one of the guys who didn't really miss a beat.
    "He was still working really hard, creating opportunity.
    "He moved into 12 we had Jordan Larmour at 13 who's really a back-three player for us, we had Luke McGrath on the wing and we were chasing the game, and that's a fairly tough situation to be in.
    "Sometimes because you're limited to 23 players it happens like that.
    "Robbie is on the cusp of being available, and if we'd put him back in this week, which we'd thought about, we felt that was a risk we don't need to take because Garry's feeling good.
    "We can put Robbie in maybe next week, and at the same time we've got Bundee back, and he's got a fair bit of bounce about him.
    "With Chris Farrell suffering a concussion and it being a five-day turnaround, our hands are tied there, and we want to make sure we look after Chris as well and that's part of the formula.
    "We thought about potentially moving Keith Earls there, but then we'd have had to keep Jacob Stockdale ticking over, and so it was really based around who was still feeling really good.
    "Bundee and Garry have a really good midfield relationship so it works out hopefully that that will still be productive for us."


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Can't believe "fans" would start cheering for the opposition just because their team goes 4 points down with 20 to go. 20 minutes!! A quarter of the match!!

    As a rugby fan, I think it's great when an underdog beats a favourite and I would love to see Japan make the quarter's. However I'm (sort of) an Irish fan and I wanted them to win that match. I want to see Ireland make the final (and get crushed by the ABs) ðŸ˜


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    you'd be absolutely sick of the bias and every possible break given to the host nation at tournaments! and I am not talking about just rugby!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    you'd be absolutely sick of the bias and every possible break given to the host nation at tournaments! and I am not talking about just rugby!

    It didn`t help England too much in 2015.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    South Korea at the 2002World Cup was the worst case of that I've ever seen. Barely believeable how rigged their games against Italy and Spain were that year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    South Korea at the 2002World Cup was the worst case of that I've ever seen. Barely believeable how rigged their games against Italy and Spain were that year.

    ireland against france at home in 2016 in the euros, they had an extra 2/3 days recovery time...


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,900 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    errlloyd wrote: »
    There was a 9 percent chance, there is now a 6.5 percent chance. Its a bit cheeky.

    Yeah, to the person asking:

    Implied odds = 1/decimal price.

    Decimal price = 1+fractional price

    Implied odds from a fractional price of 10/1
    = 1 / (1+10)
    = .091

    Implied odds from a fractional price of 14/1
    = 1 / (1+14)
    = .067

    Change in implied odds = .091 - .067 = .024

    Or, approx 2.5%, as I said.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,731 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Yeah, to the person asking:

    Implied odds = 1/decimal price.

    Decimal price = 1+fractional price

    Implied odds from a fractional price of 10/1
    = 1 / (1+10)
    = .091

    Implied odds from a fractional price of 14/1
    = 1 / (1+14)
    = .067

    Change in implied odds = .091 - .067 = .024

    Or, approx 2.5%, as I said.

    Did you enjoy Rain Man Neil?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    So has the loss to Japan been done to death now? Are fans ready to move on yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    South Korea at the 2002World Cup was the worst case of that I've ever seen. Barely believeable how rigged their games against Italy and Spain were that year.

    The Argentina - Peru 6-0 in the 78 one was even worse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,913 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Neil3030 wrote: »
    Yeah, to the person asking:

    Implied odds = 1/decimal price.

    Decimal price = 1+fractional price

    Implied odds from a fractional price of 10/1
    = 1 / (1+10)
    = .091

    Implied odds from a fractional price of 14/1
    = 1 / (1+14)
    = .067

    Change in implied odds = .091 - .067 = .024

    Or, approx 2.5%, as I said.
    That's a change of 2.5 not 2.5%!
    Our odds dropped by around 25% of what they were.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So has the loss to Japan been done to death now? Are fans ready to move on yet?
    The sun will rise again ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,298 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Interesting stat
    Simon Gleave
    @SimonGleave

    @Murray_Kinsella
    Hi Murray, you might be interested to know that Japan had 4 entries into Ireland's 22 last Saturday:

    28' (At 12-3 down) Knocked on
    31' Scored 3 points
    56' Fukuoka try
    78' Fukuoka pass interception

    Other than the pass intercept, they all began with lineouts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    Just watching game back now on Eir repeat...

    That Russian 18's tackle to lift back Beirne when he was over the line in 68th minute was amazing. WOW


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  • Registered Users Posts: 798 ✭✭✭Rockbeast2


    ^^ Oops, wrong thread, but the tackle was still great! :-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭hahashake


    Retallick is back and starting for the ABs vs Namibia but they have rested all their 10s and are using Jordie Barrett at 10 and TJ Perenara as bench cover. Jordie is a metronomic place kicker but doesn't seem to have the temperament to play 10 yet. Still, it is only Namibia...

    Edit: meant to post this in the RWC thread


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    hahashake wrote: »
    Retallick is back and starting for the ABs vs Namibia but they have rested all their 10s and are using Jordie Barrett at 10 and TJ Perenara as bench cover. Jordie is a metronomic place kicker but doesn't seem to have the temperament to play 10 yet. Still, it is only Namibia...
    Could they loan us a 10 . We could do with another option .


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Double red?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Obstruction infield


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