Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 05:26PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I was responding to Francie and did ask several times if he had any issues with any other European queen (as in monarch) but as he persisted to referring only to the situation as it pertains in the UK I considered it was a given that in that instance 'queen' referred to Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and not, For example, Queen Margrethe II of Denmark whose role is not dissimilar to Elizabeth's but doesn't seem to interest Francie.

Have you seen the title of the thread by any chance?

I have the same opinion of any monarchy...as I said very clearly when asked.

Bannasidhe · 25-09-2019 05:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have you seen the title of the thread by any chance?

I have the same opinion of any monarchy...as I said very clearly when asked.

Ask kermit if he's read the title of the thread. He's the one who asked me to be clear when the monarch I am referring to is Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain and Northern Ireland rather than some other female monarch presiding over a European Constitutional monarchy.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 05:37PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Ask kermit if he's read the title of the thread. He's the one who asked me to be clear when the monarch I am referring to is Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain and Northern Ireland rather than some other female monarch presiding over a European Constitutional monarchy.

You wondered why other monarchies 'didn't interest Francie'.

You have your answer. You deal with Kermit yourself.

B0jangles · 25-09-2019 05:38PM

I hope a little humour is ok?

https://twitter.com/bencoates1/status/1176750116474163201

(In case the tweet refuses to load, it's Kenyans taking the opportunity to talk about the UK in the same way as the UK's media habitually talks about Kenya and other countries in Africa.)

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 05:40PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

No, not only because of how it played out. Regardless of whether we agree with reasons for prorogation or how long it's for, the idea that the Queen should block the will of the elective flies in the face of both democracy and anti-royalism.

Both scenarios are anti democratic.

If parliament is sovereign then it is/should be the final arbiter.

Bannasidhe · 25-09-2019 05:43PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You wondered why other monarchies 'didn't interest Francie'.

You have your answer. You deal with Kermit yourself.

Were I going to continue to discuss the role of a monarch in any European Constitutional Monarchy with you - which I am not - I will ensure that I shall clearly identify when I am referring to Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 05:59PM

B0jangles wrote: »

I hope a little humour is ok?

https://twitter.com/bencoates1/status/1176750116474163201

(In case the tweet refuses to load, it's Kenyans taking the opportunity to talk about the UK in the same way as the UK's media habitually talks about Kenya and other countries in Africa.)

:D Brilliant.

Strip away all the pomp and nonsense across the water and it is a similar 'shambles' that they love pointing at elsewhere.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 06:03PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Were I going to continue to discuss the role of a monarch in any European Constitutional Monarchy with you - which I am not - I will ensure that I shall clearly identify when I am referring to Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Excuse me you! It is 'Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.' and don't you forget it!

FunLover18 · 25-09-2019 06:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both scenarios are anti democratic.

If parliament is sovereign then it is/should be the final arbiter.

You can't have it both ways Francie, you started this by claiming the Queen had suppressed democracy and was complicit in the prorugation when the only alternative was to deny the will of the elective, unless that is what you feel should have happened and given the fact the prorogation process exists, the Queen going along with it is the best outcome for democracy until a point in time where the process is altered or removed. Do you accept that?

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 06:07PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

You can't have it both ways Francie, you started this by claiming the Queen had suppressed democracy and was complicit in the prorugation when the only alternative was to deny the will of the elective, unless that is what you feel should have happened and given the fact the prorogation process exists, the Queen going along with it is the best outcome for democracy until a point in time where the process is altered or removed. Do you accept that?

My view from the get go, is that this 'tier of government is pointless/undemocratic/absurd' whatever happens when it is reached.

FunLover18 · 25-09-2019 07:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My view from the get go, is that this 'tier of government is pointless/undemocratic/absurd' whatever happens when it is reached.

So you're not going to answer the question?

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 07:24PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

So you're not going to answer the question?

I already did in fairness FL.

If I seemed to be dictating a course of action for the monarch 'as my preference' I apologise, that was not my intention.

Bannasidhe · 25-09-2019 07:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Excuse me you! It is 'Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.' and don't you forget it!

Nawh mate.
She's Brenda.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 10:48PM

I don't think I have seen so many deflated MP's as there are now in the Newsnight studio.

The UK is in a strange and very volatile and dangerous place. Incredible really.

Edit, should have been an 'in' instead of 'is'

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2019 10:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't think I have seen so many deflated MP's as there are now in the Newsnight studio.

The UK is is a strange and very volatile and dangerous place. Incredible really.

:rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 11:00PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Are we 'not allowed' to discuss that too?

Do you actually have an opinion on anything Timberrrr or do you just keep watch?

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-09-2019 11:21PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are we 'not allowed' to discuss that too?

Do you actually have an opinion on anything Timberrrr or do you just keep watch?

You equated "The UK is a strange and very volatile and dangerous place" with the current political shenanigans frankie.

Or are you now changing the subject? You jump around so many times a day with your Brit hatred i have to admit that it's sometimes difficult to follow your train of thought.

How is the UK a volatile and dangerous place?

ohnonotgmail · 25-09-2019 11:22PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Are we 'not allowed' to discuss that too?

Do you actually have an opinion on anything Timberrrr or do you just keep watch?

nobody is stopping you from saying anything francie. I'm not sure that is even possible. spare us the victim complex. thats the second time today you have claimed that.

McMurphy · 25-09-2019 11:27PM

I was discussing Brexit - and it's knock on effects today with a colleague.

We were discussing (or he was telling me) that the "UK has gone to fcuk" (his words).

I had to stop him and then talk about a supplier, someone both of us know, who is an Englishman born and bred, yet has lived here for the last prob 8 years or more, and really one of the nicest and obliging guys you'd evern wish to meet.

I don't think I'm far off the mark with what I told him, I told him that the vast majority of British people are like our mutual friend and supplier, and that it was the extreme upper, and equally extreme lower classes in Britain that were causing the havoc.

The middle ground are being drowned out by the noise of the arseholes from the extremes of either end of the social class in Britain.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 11:30PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You equated "The UK is a strange and very volatile and dangerous place" with the current political shenanigans frankie.

Or are you now changing the subject? You jump around so many times a day with your Brit hatred i have to admit that it's sometimes difficult to follow your train of thought.

How is the UK a volatile and dangerous place??

I edited the post, 'the UK is in a very volatile and dangerous place'.

You had a PM today using language that is extremely provocative during a further entrenched debate where MP's having been getting death threats and one MP has died.
You had a PM stating that he will ignore the will of parliament.

The debate has gotten even more entrenched if that is possible. The PM has staked so much on getting what most people believe is an impossible deal that it looks to me that when the inevitable happens (an extension) there is the very real prospect of violence.

How much of this do you think the debate can take?

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2019 11:31PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

nobody is stopping you from saying anything francie. I'm not sure that is even possible. spare us the victim complex. thats the second time today you have claimed that.

Can you guys spare us the 'Brit hating' ****e then?

Padre_Pio · 25-09-2019 11:33PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I was discussing Brexit - and it's knock on effects today with a colleague.

We were discussing (or he was telling me) that the "UK has gone to fcuk" (his words).

I had to stop him and then talk about a supplier, someone both of us know, who is an Englishman born and bred, yet has lived here for the last prob 8 years or more, and really one of the nicest and obliging guys you'd evern wish to meet.

I don't think I'm far off the mark with what I told him, I told him that the vast majority of British people are like our mutual friend and supplier, and that it was the extreme upper, and equally extreme lower classes in Britain that were causing the havoc.

The middle ground are being drowned out by the noise of the arseholes from the extremes of either end of the social class in Britain.

So Brexit is like Twitter?
and parts of boards.ie

McMurphy · 25-09-2019 11:42PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

So Brexit is like Twitter?
and parts of boards.ie

Spot on.

lawred2 · 26-09-2019 06:48AM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I was discussing Brexit - and it's knock on effects today with a colleague.

We were discussing (or he was telling me) that the "UK has gone to fcuk" (his words).

I had to stop him and then talk about a supplier, someone both of us know, who is an Englishman born and bred, yet has lived here for the last prob 8 years or more, and really one of the nicest and obliging guys you'd evern wish to meet.

I don't think I'm far off the mark with what I told him, I told him that the vast majority of British people are like our mutual friend and supplier, and that it was the extreme upper, and equally extreme lower classes in Britain that were causing the havoc.

The middle ground are being drowned out by the noise of the arseholes from the extremes of either end of the social class in Britain.

51% is not just the few percent at the top and bottom

Panrich · 26-09-2019 06:53AM

lawred2 wrote: »

51% is not just the few percent at the top and bottom

How many of that 51% though had no deal in mind and chaos at borders with a likely return to violence in NI alongside a breakup of the U.K?

lawred2 · 26-09-2019 06:56AM

Panrich wrote: »

How many of that 51% though had no deal in mind and chaos at borders with a likely return to violence in NI alongside a breakup of the U.K?

Not sure but poll after poll shows that there is still a sizeable percentage that would still vote that way even after everything that they have seen and should have learned over the last three years.

_Kaiser_ · 26-09-2019 07:38AM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

So Brexit is like Twitter?
and parts of boards.ie

and Ireland to be fair!

In many ways we're no better. "Middle Ireland", "those who get up early", whatever you want to call it is similarly drowned out (or just ignored) here as well.

ohnonotgmail · 26-09-2019 09:11AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you guys spare us the 'Brit hating' ****e then?

One is based in truth, the other isnt. i'll leave you to figure out which is which.

FrancieBrady · 26-09-2019 09:13AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

One is based in truth, the other isnt. i'll leave you to figure out which is which.

You could start by pointing out anything I have said on this thread that could be construed as 'hate for the British in general'.

Take your time.

SeaBreezes · 26-09-2019 09:22AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

and Ireland to be fair!

In many ways we're no better. "Middle Ireland", "those who get up early", whatever you want to call it is similarly drowned out (or just ignored) here as well.

I think though, our own violent past and oppression tends to temper the irish psyche.

We have a live and let live philosophy in our culture and are very very slow to extremism.

Also, our education is more rounded, and our media a little less biased. That helps too.

Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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