Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

Bannasidhe · 24-09-2019 01:01PM

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

Not sure what that's got to do with the price of fish.

Just a general observation on the general Corbyn = BAD comments that spring up around Brexit - including in this thread.

He didn't do X, or Y, or Z and somehow a lot of things are apparently his fault.

I find that bizarre.

Especially when the actual PM is completely acting the maggot.

It's like when 'leftists' got blamed for the banking crises here.
Unregulated socialists running around in charge of banks or something.

lawred2 · 24-09-2019 01:06PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact that the mess has just gotten messier because of a pointless, long since redundant, tier of government.

sure it's quite clear now that the UK's systems of governance are quite absurd and not fit for purpose

FrancieBrady · 24-09-2019 01:09PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

You said that the palace (an unelected body) suppressed democracy by doing what the government advised it to do. In what reality is that a fact. You also said the queen should have refused prorogation, again how is this a fact and not your own position? The monarchy system is absurd but the British have worked it so that the royals don't have a lot of if any political power and yet you, an anti-royalist, are suggesting that the Queen should have seized more power for herself by blocking government.

My position is that there should be no such thing as a 'monarchy' anywhere and certainly not one with any power.

I am pointing to facts. The only thing stopping the palace from denying the request was convention and the policy of this particular monarch.

That she didn't deny makes her complicit in what happened - fact. And you can have whatever opinion/position of that you want.

MadYaker · 24-09-2019 01:16PM

So what’s the agenda when parliament sits tomorrow? Bojo won’t be there by the looks of things.

FunLover18 · 24-09-2019 01:17PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My position is that there should be no such thing as a 'monarchy' anywhere and certainly not one with any power.

I am pointing to facts. The only thing stopping the palace from denying the request was convention and the policy of this particular monarch.

That she didn't deny makes her complicit in what happened - fact. And you can have whatever opinion/position of that you want.

I completely agree with you about Monarchy, it's outdated. But if the UK is to have one, which they are, then I'd rather they have one with as little power as possible. I just want to know how you, as an anti-royalist, can advocate for the royals to have the power to block government, which you said she should have done.

Bannasidhe · 24-09-2019 01:22PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My position is that there should be no such thing as a 'monarchy' anywhere and certainly not one with any power.

I am pointing to facts. The only thing stopping the palace from denying the request was convention and the policy of this particular monarch.

That she didn't deny makes her complicit in what happened - fact. And you can have whatever opinion/position of that you want.

Sweetest divine Francie - the British monarch doesn't have any power. They haven't had any real power since Cromwell had the last monarch who tried to throw his power around beheaded.
And what little they had after that was removed when the Georges arrived. George I didn't even speak English and spent most of his time in Hanover - but you want to have us believe he had a role in running the country?

The worst they can do is peer disapproving over the top of their royal spectacles when the PM is making a spectacle of themselves. And then only strictly in private.

It's been like that for hundreds of years. The Monarch is a figurehead. They are metaphorically 'Great Britain'. Their job is to provide a sense of continuity and give historical weight to the whole precedence fetish. They are PR for the country and a nice day out for tourists and natives alike.

What they are not are rulers in any sense of the word. The most they can hope for is being behind the scenes advisors who can safely be ignored should the government wish.

Our role of President is based on the British monarchy - and has a teensy bit more 'power' in that the president can refuse to sign legislation if they think it is unconstitutional. Monarch can't even do that. They have to 'sign here, and here. Initial there' whatever legislation is passed by parliament.

tigger123 · 24-09-2019 01:24PM

MadYaker wrote: »

So what’s the agenda when parliament sits tomorrow? Bojo won’t be there by the looks of things.

Apparently he's flying home early from New York to be there.

Ash.J.Williams · 24-09-2019 01:35PM

Should we change our president to high king?

RobMc59 · 24-09-2019 01:36PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My position is that there should be no such thing as a 'monarchy' anywhere and certainly not one with any power.

I am pointing to facts. The only thing stopping the palace from denying the request was convention and the policy of this particular monarch.

That she didn't deny makes her complicit in what happened - fact. And you can have whatever opinion/position of that you want.

I completely agree with you about Monarchy, it's outdated. But if the UK is to have one, which they are, then I'd rather they have one with as little power as possible. I just want to know how you, as an anti-royalist, can advocate for the royals to have the power to block government, which you said she should have done.

Sadly,some people will criticise and attempt to belittle purely because they are full of hatred for the UK.
Admittedly,many members of the Royal family divide opinions(Andrew for a start) But the Queen is an asset to Britain imo and is respected in many countries.

26000 Elephants · 24-09-2019 01:49PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Apparently he's flying home early from New York to be there.

They should have reinstated Concorde years ago. The Billions spent would have been worth it for this moment alone, getting BoJo before Parliament a few hours sooner....

Igotadose · 24-09-2019 01:50PM

Boris doing a speech to a business group about cauliflowers and how Americans haven't eaten any British Lamb, or haggis.

Sigh. No questions taken. Coward.

First Up · 24-09-2019 01:53PM

Igotadose wrote:

Boris doing a speech to a business group about cauliflowers and how Americans haven't eaten any British Lamb, or haggis. Once the speech is done, I expect he'll be getting some questions about today's events from the UK media.

Don't think the media will get the opportunity there.

He got all excited about how the UK could now incentivise business by tax cuts, omitting of course to mention they were free to set any tax rates they liked as an EU member.

24-09-2019 02:02PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

Sadly,some people will criticise and attempt to belittle purely because they are full of hatred for the UK.
Admittedly,many members of the Royal family divide opinions(Andrew for a start) But the Queen is an asset to Britain imo and is respected in many countries.

Those many countries that respect her most likely havnt suffered the atrociites committed by her ancestors

tigger123 · 24-09-2019 02:07PM

Always drives me mad when people refer to countries as "her".

Countries don't have gender, FFS!

Sorry - you were referring to the Queen, who does have a gender, but we probably mustn't assume it

mattser · 24-09-2019 02:09PM

droidman123 wrote: »

Those many countries that respect her most likely havnt suffered the atrociites committed by her ancestors

She had a spectaculary welcome visit to these parts a few years ago, if my memory serves me. All bar a handful of diehards enjoyed her visit.l

24-09-2019 02:12PM

mattser wrote: »

She had a spectaculary welcome visit to these parts a few years ago, if my memory serves me. All bar a handful of diehards enjoyed her visit.l

Well why didnt they do a drive around with her like they do in canada and australia and the likes?

threeball · 24-09-2019 02:14PM

Surely Rees Mogg has to fall on his sword here. His position as I understand it means he not only has a duty to the government but to parliament as a whole and so should have acted in the interests of the house and argued against the prorogation. Instead he was cheerleader in chief. I think in this case its either going to be him or Boris for the chop and they'll hardly want the glorious leader to fall after 5 or 6 weeks.

VinLieger · 24-09-2019 02:15PM

droidman123 wrote: »

Well why didnt they do a drive around with her like they do in canada and australia and the likes?

Because they are part of the commonwealth which she is the head of.

24-09-2019 02:23PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Because they are part of the commonwealth which she is the head of.

But we are not,so back to my question,why do you think they didnt do a drive around o,connell street and the city centre if as mattser said,she was very welcome here?

mattser · 24-09-2019 02:24PM

droidman123 wrote: »

But we are not,so back to my question,why do you think they didnt do a drive around o,connell street and the city centre if as mattser said,she was very welcome here?

I think she forgot her driving licence !!

24-09-2019 02:26PM

mattser wrote: »

I think she forgot her driving licence !!

But dont you think it would of been nice for her and all the welcoming public i,m sure would of been waving union jacks along the route? Why do you think they didnt do this?

mattser · 24-09-2019 02:29PM

droidman123 wrote: »

But dont you think it would of been nice for her and all the welcoming public i,m sure would of been waving union jacks along the route? Why do you think they didnt do this?

One thing at a time. Perhaps she'll cartwheel down O'Connell St next time.

VinLieger · 24-09-2019 02:30PM

droidman123 wrote: »

But dont you think it would of been nice for her and all the welcoming public i,m sure would of been waving union jacks along the route? Why do you think they didnt do this?

What answer are you looking for?

24-09-2019 02:30PM

mattser wrote: »

One thing at a time. Perhaps she'll cartwheel down O'Connell St next time.

Ok so no answer

24-09-2019 02:31PM

VinLieger wrote: »

What answer are you looking for?

My post and question is quite clear

VinLieger · 24-09-2019 02:33PM

droidman123 wrote: »

My post and question is quite clear

As was my original answer, Canada and Australia which you referenced are part of the commonwealth which is why she drives around in that way, we are not a member so why would she do that here?

You are quite obviously pointedly asking the question in a way as to garner a specific answer from someone so what answer is it exactly you are looking for?

24-09-2019 02:36PM

VinLieger wrote: »

As was my original answer, Canada and Australia which you referenced are part of the commonwealth which is why she drives around in that way, we are not a member so why would she do that here?

You are quite obviously pointedly asking the question in a way as to garner a specific answer from someone so what answer is it exactly you are looking for?

The point i am making is that maybe she wasnt as welcome here as mattser suggested,mostly only welcomed by politicians and various hat doffers

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-09-2019 02:37PM

droidman123 wrote: »

But we are not,so back to my question,why do you think they didnt do a drive around o,connell street and the city centre if as mattser said,she was very welcome here?

Because of cnuts like this maybe?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-38332494

A 66-year-old man who made bomb threats during the Queen's visit to Ireland has been sentenced to eight-and-a-half years in prison.

Irish police received a call from Donal Billings in May 2011 , saying there was a bomb on a bus in Maynooth.

A bag was found on the bus holding a bomb, gunpowder, petrol, a timing-power unit, battery and a fuse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/police-say-viable-bomb-found-on-bus-made-safe-before-queens-visit-to-ireland/2011/05/17/AFtdtX5G_story.html

DUBLIN — Police and Army officials say a bomb found on a bus has been made safe Tuesday, hours before Queen Elizabeth II was due to arrive in Dublin.

The device was found in the luggage compartment of a bus traveling on the outskirts of Maynooth in County Kildare west of Dublin, officials said.

VinLieger · 24-09-2019 02:42PM

droidman123 wrote: »

The point i am making is that maybe she wasnt as welcome here as mattser suggested,mostly only welcomed by politicians and various hat doffers

She was pretty welcomed by all, just because people weren't thronging the streets waving union jacks doesn't means the majority of people didn't recognise it as an important moment helping to put some of our shared history behind us and moving forward. Brexit has obviously fvcked all that good work up but things were moving forward quite positively thanks to her visit and specifically her words at the dinner in Dublin castle.

Also as you well know there is still unfortunately an ignorant minority in this country who would wish her harm for their own selfish petty reasons.

24-09-2019 02:46PM

VinLieger wrote: »

She was pretty welcomed by all, just because people weren't thronging the streets waving union jacks doesn't means the majority of people didn't recognise it as an important moment helping to put some of our shared history behind us and moving forward. Brexit has obviously fvcked all that good work up but things were moving forward quite positively thanks to her visit and specifically her words at the dinner in Dublin castle.

Also as you well know there is still unfortunately an ignorant minority in this country who would wish her harm for their own selfish petty reasons.

I would never wish her harm or violence in any way,i just detest the notion of royalty,and royalty from any country but obviously british royalty has connotations with this country.

Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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