Irish Rail: Solution to overcrowding

kneemos · 23-09-2019 08:43PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Oh dear, that’s not an answer that inspires confidence in your ability to defend your position!

The answer’s A.

Irish Rail aren't putting on extra showings.

voldejoie · 23-09-2019 08:45PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The Luas issues the same automated request and it makes absolutely no difference.

"Please move down the tram", Doireann Ní Bhriain gently exhorts, as people stare blankly at their smartphones. But the Luas, for the most part, is sufficiently frequent. Waiting times for the DART are beyond a joke.

I'm very close to being the prick who snaps and starts shouting at people to move down, I'm being pushed to breaking point

Last Thursday I missed two DARTs because I literally could not get on, even though there was ample standing space in the main carriage area.

This after missing the connecting DART because my train into Connolly was 12 minutes late, and the supposedly "every ten minutes" DART being substantially delayed due to congestion in Connolly, which happens every day. It's a good thing I have the tax saver because it would tip me over the edge to be paying the full annual ticket price for such a terrible service!

Rant over

Rufeo · 23-09-2019 08:46PM

Batter them onto the top, be grand.

Gregor Samsa · 23-09-2019 08:48PM

kneemos wrote: »

Irish Rail aren't putting on extra showings.

They have the extra showings on already. They’re telling people there’s seats available in them.

end of the road · 23-09-2019 10:07PM

jahalpin wrote: »

The peak time restriction on the free travel pass should be restored, most transport systems have restrictions on concessionary and free travel schemes

it would make no difference to this issue. which is exactly why it was abolished in the first place. bringing it back would do absolutely nothing.

20Wheel · 23-09-2019 10:15PM

Limit the city center to those born in Leinster.

Boggers are always the root cause.
All boggers rerouted to Cork/Galway/Limerick.

Darc19 · 23-09-2019 10:18PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I thought it was a wind up at first:

Irish Rail asking DART users to stagger morning journeys

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-rail-asking-dart-users-to-stagger-morning-journeys-1.4026704

Basically, when the service doesn’t work... blame the customer.

The problem about reading a headline and not bothering to read the article, is you make false assumptions.

Try reading and understanding the article and then see how ridiculous your comment is.

noodler · 23-09-2019 10:24PM

Dart capacity is an issue.

Dunno what the solution is.

Make stations even long to accommodate more carriages?

The idea we have to wait months to buy carraiges slays me though. One it's a priority and two they've been jammers for years.

McLoughlin · 23-09-2019 10:27PM

Solution

sdanseo · 23-09-2019 10:27PM

It's not Irish Rail's fault that there is no political will whatsoever in this country to invest in (or failing that, privatise) public rail transport.

It does suffer from the usual productivity deficit you'd expect from a heavily unionised organisation, but on the whole the staff are committed and good at their job, speaking having been fly on the wall for a bit.

touts · 23-09-2019 10:37PM

Irish health service can't cope. Tell people not to get sick outside office hours.

Irish Universities can't cope. Tell people not to go to university.

Irish Rail can't cope. Tell people not to travel to work.

There is a bit of a pattern developing in FG problem solving in recent months.

23-09-2019 10:45PM

Trains arriving into city for 8.00am are jammed too. It's really only the earlier ones that are quieter.
My train leaves at 7.00am - packed at the second stop (Sallins) and overcrowding the whole way in after that. Four carriages not enough; needs to be six.

LeinsterDub · 23-09-2019 10:47PM

FF and FG are to blame for this. Irish Rail can't spend money they don't have

Hoppy Jack · 23-09-2019 10:52PM

To the man clipping his toe nails with wild abandon onto the floor in Pearse Station - please. Stop. Now. Someone has to clean your clippings.

kneemos · 23-09-2019 10:52PM

touts wrote: »

Irish health service can't cope. Tell people not to get sick outside office hours.

Irish Universities can't cope. Tell people not to go to university.

Irish Rail can't cope. Tell people not to travel to work.

There is a bit of a pattern developing in FG problem solving in recent months.

Except none of that has happened.

Dravokivich · 23-09-2019 10:53PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This is like some soviet-era diktat.

We incur all the costs of a market economy, with all of the inefficiency (ie no derived demand) of a planned economy. In other words, you pay your money and you get no choice.

I have a sibling who lives in Dun Laoghaire who has to get a DART in the direction of Bray in the mornings, then at some point switch back to a city-bound DART where she can manage to board safely with her kids. In any other system, the service would just make trains more regular to meet demand, ie obey the basic laws of economics and generate a profit.

What really drives me up the wall is the stock response of Ministers when confronted with this overcrowding... "We are victims of our own success, we now have more people going to work than ever before"... The inefficiency of Irish public transport, along with lack of housing, is going to be a serious impediment to economic growth in the coming decades and these fcukers need to get the finger out fairly pronto.

It's actually very difficult for them to get trains. The problem with IRs fleet management is down to early decommissioning of rolling stock.

sdanseo · 23-09-2019 10:57PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's actually very difficult for them to get trains. The problem with IRs fleet management is down to early decommissioning of rolling stock.

Nonsense. The only stock (effectively) decommissioned on the DART system were the 8200s which are riddled with faults.
All the LHB sets were refurbished and have another decade or more left in them.
All the 8400/8500 sets are still in play as are almost all the 29k for commuter.

The issue is that demand has gone up and the chronic procrastination that is the Irish system of government would rather talk shíte about each other on twitter than actually make a decision about anything i.e. fleet expansion.

And until the people put their foot down (difficult but doable, the parish pump is a way of life especially outside Dublin, sure ah it'll be grand) nothing will change.

Dravokivich · 23-09-2019 10:58PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Infrastructure does indeed need to keep up with an increasing population. Remember the gall of IR a few years back to increase fares and at the same time trim back number of carraiges on their rush our services.

Awful company.

They have no control over any of their fares. That's done by the national transport authority .

Dravokivich · 23-09-2019 11:03PM

sdanseo wrote: »

Nonsense. The only stock (effectively) decommissioned on the DART system were the 8200s which are riddled with faults.
All the LHB sets were refurbished and have another decade or more left in them.
All the 8400/8500 sets are still in play as are almost all the 29k for commuter.

The issue is that demand has gone up and the chronic procrastination that is the Irish system of government would rather talk shíte about each other on twitter than actually make a decision about anything i.e. fleet expansion.

And until the people put their foot down (difficult but doable, the parish pump is a way of life especially outside Dublin, sure ah it'll be grand) nothing will change.

I said fleet management was an issue overall, not just dart.

mdebets · 23-09-2019 11:04PM

The Dart isn't really overcrowded, they just need to hire the right stuff and they might even be able to cut back on trains during rush hour.

ChikiChiki · 24-09-2019 08:35AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This is like some soviet-era diktat.

We incur all the costs of a market economy, with all of the inefficiency (ie no derived demand) of a planned economy. In other words, you pay your money and you get no choice.

I have a sibling who lives in Dun Laoghaire who has to get a DART in the direction of Bray in the mornings, then at some point switch back to a city-bound DART where she can manage to board safely with her kids. In any other system, the service would just make trains more regular to meet demand, ie obey the basic laws of economics and generate a profit.

What really drives me up the wall is the stock response of Ministers when confronted with this overcrowding... "We are victims of our own success, we now have more people going to work than ever before"... The inefficiency of Irish public transport, along with lack of housing, is going to be a serious impediment to economic growth in the coming decades and these fcukers need to get the finger out fairly pronto.

It's actually very difficult for them to get trains. The problem with IRs fleet management is down to early decommissioning of rolling stock.

I don't know how Its so difficult. There are about 4 lines into Dublin. It's hardly rocket science.

ixoy · 24-09-2019 09:14AM

Is it possible to strip out seats and allow for more standing room? There's far too much space dedicated to seats.

noodler · 24-09-2019 09:14AM

ixoy wrote: »

Is it possible to strip out seats and allow for more standing room? There's far too much space dedicated to seats.

Definitely an issue. Needs more of those handle yolks as well

24-09-2019 09:17AM

ixoy wrote: »

Is it possible to strip out seats and allow for more standing room? There's far too much space dedicated to seats.

Copy the tube, benches along the walls of the carriages and leave a lot more space in the middle of the carriage for standing room.

Dravokivich · 24-09-2019 09:27AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I don't know how Its so difficult. There are about 4 lines into Dublin. It's hardly rocket science.

We have an irish problem without an irish solution. The width of our tracks is known as Irish Gauge. Its wider then everyone elses. When we get trains, they have to be specifically made for us. They cant just get them off someone else. Purchasing second hand is not much cheaper becuase of alot of additional work that'll need to be done.

Edgware · 24-09-2019 09:33AM

downtheroad wrote: »

Copy the tube, benches along the walls of the carriages and leave a lot more space in the middle of the carriage for standing room.

And let people ride on the roof of the carriage. It works well in India

ixoy · 24-09-2019 09:35AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

We have an irish problem without an irish solution. The width of our tracks is known as Irish Gauge. Its wider then everyone elses.

How did that happen? Why was it allowed?
I presume that the DART couldn't remedy the problem in the 80s because the line still needed to service the diesel carriages.

kneemos · 24-09-2019 09:53AM

Thank god for the brits really. Doubt we'd have a single rail line otherwise.

touts · 24-09-2019 10:09AM

kneemos wrote: »

Except none of that has happened.

Except outside the FG bubble you live in it all did.

They regularly tell people in overcrowded hospitals not to attend and in Waterford they set up heart attack services for office hours.

Their answer to people not being able to go to university in cities was to tell them to look for local options which if you love in rural Ireland don't actually exist so basically don't go to university.

And now they are saying the solution to an overcrowded train network is to tell people not to use the trains.

Maybe if you stick your head out of the propaganda FG headquarters is feeding you you will see that people need these services and telling them to go elsewhere does not work.

dxhound2005 · 24-09-2019 10:22AM

touts wrote: »

Their answer to people not being able to go to university in cities was to tell them to look for local options which if you love in rural Ireland don't actually exist so basically don't go to university.

Children of farmers are far more likely to go to university compared to the general population. And it would not make a lot of sense for the universities to offer courses in agriculture and related subjects, if there were no rural students. Are you sure about your numbers?

Irish Rail: Solution to overcrowding

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