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Irish Rail: Solution to overcrowding

Father Hernandez

I thought it was a wind up at first:

Irish Rail asking DART users to stagger morning journeys

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-rail-asking-dart-users-to-stagger-morning-journeys-1.4026704

Basically, when the service doesn’t work... blame the customer.

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kneemos

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Oh dear, that’s not an answer that inspires confidence in your ability to defend your position!

The answer’s A.

Irish Rail aren't putting on extra showings.

voldejoie

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The Luas issues the same automated request and it makes absolutely no difference.

"Please move down the tram", Doireann Ní Bhriain gently exhorts, as people stare blankly at their smartphones. But the Luas, for the most part, is sufficiently frequent. Waiting times for the DART are beyond a joke.

I'm very close to being the prick who snaps and starts shouting at people to move down, I'm being pushed to breaking point

Last Thursday I missed two DARTs because I literally could not get on, even though there was ample standing space in the main carriage area.

This after missing the connecting DART because my train into Connolly was 12 minutes late, and the supposedly "every ten minutes" DART being substantially delayed due to congestion in Connolly, which happens every day. It's a good thing I have the tax saver because it would tip me over the edge to be paying the full annual ticket price for such a terrible service!

Rant over

Rufeo

Batter them onto the top, be grand.

Gregor Samsa

kneemos wrote: »

Irish Rail aren't putting on extra showings.

They have the extra showings on already. They’re telling people there’s seats available in them.

end of the road

jahalpin wrote: »

The peak time restriction on the free travel pass should be restored, most transport systems have restrictions on concessionary and free travel schemes

it would make no difference to this issue. which is exactly why it was abolished in the first place. bringing it back would do absolutely nothing.

20Wheel

Limit the city center to those born in Leinster.

Boggers are always the root cause.
All boggers rerouted to Cork/Galway/Limerick.

Darc19

Father Hernandez wrote: »

I thought it was a wind up at first:

Irish Rail asking DART users to stagger morning journeys

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-rail-asking-dart-users-to-stagger-morning-journeys-1.4026704

Basically, when the service doesn’t work... blame the customer.

The problem about reading a headline and not bothering to read the article, is you make false assumptions.

Try reading and understanding the article and then see how ridiculous your comment is.

noodler

Dart capacity is an issue.

Dunno what the solution is.

Make stations even long to accommodate more carriages?

The idea we have to wait months to buy carraiges slays me though. One it's a priority and two they've been jammers for years.

McLoughlin

Solution

sdanseo

It's not Irish Rail's fault that there is no political will whatsoever in this country to invest in (or failing that, privatise) public rail transport.

It does suffer from the usual productivity deficit you'd expect from a heavily unionised organisation, but on the whole the staff are committed and good at their job, speaking having been fly on the wall for a bit.

touts

Irish health service can't cope. Tell people not to get sick outside office hours.

Irish Universities can't cope. Tell people not to go to university.

Irish Rail can't cope. Tell people not to travel to work.

There is a bit of a pattern developing in FG problem solving in recent months.

[Deleted User]

Trains arriving into city for 8.00am are jammed too. It's really only the earlier ones that are quieter.
My train leaves at 7.00am - packed at the second stop (Sallins) and overcrowding the whole way in after that. Four carriages not enough; needs to be six.

LeinsterDub

FF and FG are to blame for this. Irish Rail can't spend money they don't have

Hoppy Jack

To the man clipping his toe nails with wild abandon onto the floor in Pearse Station - please. Stop. Now. Someone has to clean your clippings.

kneemos

touts wrote: »

Irish health service can't cope. Tell people not to get sick outside office hours.

Irish Universities can't cope. Tell people not to go to university.

Irish Rail can't cope. Tell people not to travel to work.

There is a bit of a pattern developing in FG problem solving in recent months.

Except none of that has happened.

Dravokivich

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This is like some soviet-era diktat.

We incur all the costs of a market economy, with all of the inefficiency (ie no derived demand) of a planned economy. In other words, you pay your money and you get no choice.

I have a sibling who lives in Dun Laoghaire who has to get a DART in the direction of Bray in the mornings, then at some point switch back to a city-bound DART where she can manage to board safely with her kids. In any other system, the service would just make trains more regular to meet demand, ie obey the basic laws of economics and generate a profit.

What really drives me up the wall is the stock response of Ministers when confronted with this overcrowding... "We are victims of our own success, we now have more people going to work than ever before"... The inefficiency of Irish public transport, along with lack of housing, is going to be a serious impediment to economic growth in the coming decades and these fcukers need to get the finger out fairly pronto.

It's actually very difficult for them to get trains. The problem with IRs fleet management is down to early decommissioning of rolling stock.

sdanseo

Dravokivich wrote: »

It's actually very difficult for them to get trains. The problem with IRs fleet management is down to early decommissioning of rolling stock.

Nonsense. The only stock (effectively) decommissioned on the DART system were the 8200s which are riddled with faults.
All the LHB sets were refurbished and have another decade or more left in them.
All the 8400/8500 sets are still in play as are almost all the 29k for commuter.

The issue is that demand has gone up and the chronic procrastination that is the Irish system of government would rather talk shíte about each other on twitter than actually make a decision about anything i.e. fleet expansion.

And until the people put their foot down (difficult but doable, the parish pump is a way of life especially outside Dublin, sure ah it'll be grand) nothing will change.

Dravokivich

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Infrastructure does indeed need to keep up with an increasing population. Remember the gall of IR a few years back to increase fares and at the same time trim back number of carraiges on their rush our services.

Awful company.

They have no control over any of their fares. That's done by the national transport authority .

Dravokivich

sdanseo wrote: »

Nonsense. The only stock (effectively) decommissioned on the DART system were the 8200s which are riddled with faults.
All the LHB sets were refurbished and have another decade or more left in them.
All the 8400/8500 sets are still in play as are almost all the 29k for commuter.

The issue is that demand has gone up and the chronic procrastination that is the Irish system of government would rather talk shíte about each other on twitter than actually make a decision about anything i.e. fleet expansion.

And until the people put their foot down (difficult but doable, the parish pump is a way of life especially outside Dublin, sure ah it'll be grand) nothing will change.

I said fleet management was an issue overall, not just dart.

mdebets

The Dart isn't really overcrowded, they just need to hire the right stuff and they might even be able to cut back on trains during rush hour.

ChikiChiki

Dravokivich wrote: »

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This is like some soviet-era diktat.

We incur all the costs of a market economy, with all of the inefficiency (ie no derived demand) of a planned economy. In other words, you pay your money and you get no choice.

I have a sibling who lives in Dun Laoghaire who has to get a DART in the direction of Bray in the mornings, then at some point switch back to a city-bound DART where she can manage to board safely with her kids. In any other system, the service would just make trains more regular to meet demand, ie obey the basic laws of economics and generate a profit.

What really drives me up the wall is the stock response of Ministers when confronted with this overcrowding... "We are victims of our own success, we now have more people going to work than ever before"... The inefficiency of Irish public transport, along with lack of housing, is going to be a serious impediment to economic growth in the coming decades and these fcukers need to get the finger out fairly pronto.

It's actually very difficult for them to get trains. The problem with IRs fleet management is down to early decommissioning of rolling stock.

I don't know how Its so difficult. There are about 4 lines into Dublin. It's hardly rocket science.

ixoy

Is it possible to strip out seats and allow for more standing room? There's far too much space dedicated to seats.

noodler

ixoy wrote: »

Is it possible to strip out seats and allow for more standing room? There's far too much space dedicated to seats.

Definitely an issue. Needs more of those handle yolks as well

[Deleted User]

ixoy wrote: »

Is it possible to strip out seats and allow for more standing room? There's far too much space dedicated to seats.

Copy the tube, benches along the walls of the carriages and leave a lot more space in the middle of the carriage for standing room.

Dravokivich

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I don't know how Its so difficult. There are about 4 lines into Dublin. It's hardly rocket science.

We have an irish problem without an irish solution. The width of our tracks is known as Irish Gauge. Its wider then everyone elses. When we get trains, they have to be specifically made for us. They cant just get them off someone else. Purchasing second hand is not much cheaper becuase of alot of additional work that'll need to be done.

Edgware

downtheroad wrote: »

Copy the tube, benches along the walls of the carriages and leave a lot more space in the middle of the carriage for standing room.

And let people ride on the roof of the carriage. It works well in India

ixoy

Dravokivich wrote: »

We have an irish problem without an irish solution. The width of our tracks is known as Irish Gauge. Its wider then everyone elses.

How did that happen? Why was it allowed?
I presume that the DART couldn't remedy the problem in the 80s because the line still needed to service the diesel carriages.

kneemos

Thank god for the brits really. Doubt we'd have a single rail line otherwise.

touts

kneemos wrote: »

Except none of that has happened.

Except outside the FG bubble you live in it all did.

They regularly tell people in overcrowded hospitals not to attend and in Waterford they set up heart attack services for office hours.

Their answer to people not being able to go to university in cities was to tell them to look for local options which if you love in rural Ireland don't actually exist so basically don't go to university.

And now they are saying the solution to an overcrowded train network is to tell people not to use the trains.

Maybe if you stick your head out of the propaganda FG headquarters is feeding you you will see that people need these services and telling them to go elsewhere does not work.

dxhound2005

touts wrote: »

Their answer to people not being able to go to university in cities was to tell them to look for local options which if you love in rural Ireland don't actually exist so basically don't go to university.

Children of farmers are far more likely to go to university compared to the general population. And it would not make a lot of sense for the universities to offer courses in agriculture and related subjects, if there were no rural students. Are you sure about your numbers?