Could you feed your family from your farm.

_Brian wrote: »

We have a small polytunnel and have been working with the kids to grow a variety of veg and greens, not what would feed us but learning the skill at least. We have apple trees in the garden and maybe 20 fruit bushes, some crowns of rhubarb.
We keep chickens, rear a few pigs for the table.

This could all be scaled up quick enough.

We bake bread maybe 3 times a week. Kitchen is always on the go here cooking and baking. We can make our own sausages, have done home made pasta etc.


Access to basic ingredients like flour, sugar, tea and coffee would be important, but once we’d have those we’d be fine.

In such a scenario, tea and coffee are hardly important? Even sugar? It's possible to make sugarless jam with apple juice.
Fermentation skills (and tastebuds!) would also help a lot

Vienna Shallow Stipend wrote: »

Don't be so sure. A one world government is getting ever more realistic. The unifying of countries , global legislation.

Heard some kids on radio about the marches. There was genuine fear in their voices. That it's irrational doesn't matter. It's there and spreading.

Gretta what's her face is just s puppet on a string. I'd love to know whose the puppet master. who paid for her green boat that used lots of carbon in its making?

It would take a One World Govt. to achieve any of the scenarios above.
I don't think the local Garda Sargent will get too warm a reception when he rocks up looking to confiscate your tractors and any diesel in your tanks, and with your work roat for the month ahead at the Collective.


Of course the first thing would be to confiscate all firearms.
That will not be achievable either, people remember the Government lies and subterfuge the last time that took place in 1972, by order of Dessie O Malley.

There’s posters here believing far too much of the far out stuff they are reading on the internet.

Relax and get in with your lives folks, it’ll be grand.

As for the movement fronted by Gretta, if it gets people thinking and talking a bit more about environment issues that has to be a good thing. Have no fear though, governments will smile and nod but as ever do very little to break the status quo that keeps them in power.

emaherx wrote: »

First post to be fair.

True Emaherx, maybe I took the wrong meaning from it.
I just think if things went like people here are thinking - growing a few carrots won’t do much for you...

_Brian wrote: »

Think your taking it all a bit too serious.

I think you thought I'm serious

Lighten up lol - you did ask the question about the Green New Deal. But unfortunately yes - some (and no not myself btw) are taking it very seriously indeed. The climate alarmists screaming 10 years 3 months and 40 days to the end of the world are touting it as a reality ...

_Brian wrote: »

There’s posters here believing far too much of the far out stuff they are reading on the internet.

Relax and get in with your lives folks, it’ll be grand.

As for the movement fronted by Gretta, if it gets people thinking and talking a bit more about environment issues that has to be a good thing.

Have no fear though, governments will smile and nod but as ever do very little to break the status quo that keeps them in power.

:eek: it's worse than that you've gone to the dark side ... - (greta that is - not the environment btw)

Our government is probably already rubbing their hands at the thought of all that lovely carbon tax revenue running into state coffers ...

gozunda wrote: »

I think you thought I'm serious

Lighten up lol - you did ask the question about the Green New Deal. But unfortunately yes - some (and no not myself btw) are taking it very seriously indeed. The climate alarmists screaming 10 years 3 months and 40 days to the end of the world are touting it as a reality ...




:eek: it's worse than that you've gone to the dark side ... - (greta that is - not the environment btw)

Our government is probably already rubbing their hands at the thought of all that lovely carbon tax revenue running into state coffers ...

I think people take things too seriously where a more moderate approach usually works best.
Climate is a big deal no doubt, personally biodiversity is a bigger deal and much of the actions to improve biodiversity would benefit environment too, to hear some there is. O correlation between them.

I don’t really support Gretta, but I’m not intimidated or set against her movement as many seem to be. Any movement that encourages conversations on these topics are to be encouraged. She’s a figurehead rather than an instigator and from what I’ve read her father is the driving force, I don’t care, it’s raising the profile so that’s good.

I think carbon taxes are needed but they need to be managed properly and applied evenly, I don’t want to see carbon taxes on marked diesel while airline fuel gets a bypass to keep cheap flights under people to buy votes.
Similarly I fully support water and sewage charges, sadly I expect implementation of carbon taxes to be as professional as the water charges debacle:(

As for 10 years to the end of the world, they need to be careful spouting illogical messages like that, my first reaction if I believed that would be f**k it, it’s too late to make a change so I won’t bother. It could be self defeating. To bring the population along a climate recovery path they need to feel it’s possible and their sacrifice will definitely make a difference, if they feel it’s impossible, they won’t bother.

_Brian wrote: »

Hypothetically of course.

How many of you would have a go at slaughtering and butchering a sheep, pig or heifer if the need arose ??

Why hypothetically? Really tempted to post the picture, but will hold off for now: SisterNo.1, married to a non-European, had a big family do during the summer, for which the in-laws and neighbours contributed two goats. Slaughtered and butchered in the back garden, slow-roasted in a fire-pit during the afternoon, served to the guests that evening.

Now obviously this wasn't a semi-D in southside Dublin, but half the party had come from Ireland, and the fatal cut was delivered using SonNo.1's favourite knife under their curious gaze (so much easier to explain to airport security in Africa than Frankfurt why you've got a big feck-off knife in your luggage ... :pac: ) Interestingly, though (see also thread on bakeries): few of the Irish actually ate the cooked goat-meat; and fewer still were brave enough even to taste the grilled offal ...

Ye're all gonna die.

_Brian wrote: »

Back to something closer to the original post.

Hypothetically of course.

How many of you would have a go at slaughtering and butchering a sheep, pig or heifer if the need arose ??

I’m quite sure I would.

I'll eat it if you'll butcher it.

_Brian wrote: »

I think people take things too seriously where a more moderate approach usually works best.
Climate is a big deal no doubt, personally biodiversity is a bigger deal and much of the actions to improve biodiversity would benefit environment too, to hear some there is. O correlation between them.

Our climate and the environment is of coarse very important but there is far too much bandwagoning going on if you ask me. Take electric vehicles for example, study from Germany shows they produce more carbon from charging than Diesel vehicles (in countries without nuclear power) not to mention the negative effects of mining for Cobalt and lithium both environmentally and socially. Or we need more trees equals a non native spruce monoculture for some reason.

CelticRambler wrote: »

For all that this kind of thing is frequently discussed in terms of zombie apocalypses and the like, I don't think we're really that far from such a situation. You only have to look at small perturbations to see how humans can turn quite feral in a very short space of time: Hurricane Katrina, the Great Snowfall of 2018, the rape of the US national parks during their govt shutdown in January, the current carry-on in Hong Kong ... There's a very good Channel 4 docufiction showing how things might unfold in the UK if the power went out for more than a few days.

Even the perception of a brief lack of action on the part of the authorities led to those riots in the UK in 2011, and closer to home, the Lidl in Fortunestown being destroyed by a digger.

As the saying goes, we're only ever 9 meals away from anarchy.

My siblings (hard-core urbanites, the lot of them) know now that if they come here, their children will be put to work! That's not so much of a threat as it sounds, though. During one visit a few years ago, it came to light that the aforementioned SisterNo.1 had never made jam and didn't know how. Considering she grew up in the same kitchen as me and our jam-making mother, this was incomprehensible. One day of the holiday was tout de suite dedicated to jam-making lessons.

I'm mildly jealous of her husband - he has 4 acres about 1° south of the equator, so he can grow stuff all year round without worrying about annoying things like seasons! :cool:

It was quite weird hanging out with the African in-laws for nearly a month and finding that I had a lot more in common with them than with family and friends back in Dublin, at least in terms of attitude to sustainable living.

blue5000 wrote: »

Tallaght would be an interesting spot if the lights went out for 24 hrs.

:cool: