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Leader of country caught up in blackface controversy.

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    #332
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,698 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    In fairness walking around Limerick city (probably any town or city) with people with darker fake tan on there face then on his face on that picture. Now I do not like Trudeux find him very fake and contrived but this happened 20 years ago.

    We can not put our moral code of today on someone from 20 years ago. Was he meant to be able to see into the future 20 years to see what people would think. Or are we are now going to have to future proof our thought words and pictures just on the off cance?

    If he is truly realised now it is wrong then I say fair enough. Has he to apologise for each instance. I mean how many times will Lyons tea have to apologise for the Minstreals in there ad and packaging then.

    As for people laughter about the left's hypocrisy and getting a win will ye get over yourselves. Cause every side does this and while we have political and sides I will happen


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    #333
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    He’s always struck me as a guy that is just saying the words but it’s only lip service. I thought he’d have some sex scandal come up.

    He’s the type of guy that says we need more women in politics but would run himself for as many terms as possible rather than back a suitable woman and take a more junior under her.

    You should read up on him so because yiu obviously don't have a clue so have concocted a fantasy version of him. Go have a look at his cabinet ministers.

    The amount of middle aged white men who can't get to grips with modern life who are rubbing their hands together because somebody who advocated tolerance is now just like them is pathetic. His mask didn't slip, yours did.


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    #334
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    martingriff wrote: »
    In fairness walking around Limerick city (probably any town or city) with people with darker fake tan on there face then on his face on that picture. Now I do not like Trudeux find him very fake and contrived but this happened 20 years ago.

    We can not put our moral code of today on someone from 20 years ago. Was he meant to be able to see into the future 20 years to see what people would think. Or are we are now going to have to future proof our thought words and pictures just on the off cance?

    If he is truly realised now it is wrong then I say fair enough. Has he to apologise for each instance. I mean how many times will Lyons tea have to apologise for the Minstreals in there ad and packaging then.

    As for people laughter about the left's hypocrisy and getting a win will ye get over yourselves. Cause every side does this and while we have political and sides I will happen

    The biggest issue for me is that you can now see countless Canadians on line talking about how they didnt know a lot about blackface and it never seemed that bad to them. Same here in Ireland. People are being judged by American sensibilities on a global scale, and that seems wrong.


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    #335
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,791 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Fr. Ted reference going over many heads it seems, Dick.

    The thing is 20 years old, the chung wans won't get it, esp as history is optional now.


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    #336
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    While yapping with a black work colleague this morning over breakfast, I asked her what she thought about the blackface controversy involving Leo's best friend from Canada.

    Her reply: "This is so stupid. If I wanted to play Goldilocks, would I be banned from putting on a blonde wig and painting my face white? He was playing Aladdin for God's sake. Aladdin wasn't white." She could see nothing wrong with it.

    So there ya go. That's her thinking anyway and who am I to argue with that.


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    #337
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Duane Dibbley wrote: »
    The faux outrage amazes me.

    I haven't seen any outrage, faux or otherwise. I have seen plenty of people delighted that a smarmy, woke, identity politicking, feminist is caught doing the exact type of thing he's spent years preaching about and demonizing others for.
    Schadenfreude


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    #338
    Thelonious Monk
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I haven't seen any outrage, faux or otherwise. I have seen plenty of people delighted that a smarmy, woke, identity politicking, feminist is caught doing the exact type of thing he's spent years preaching about and demonizing others for.
    Schadenfreude

    Has he been preaching and demonising dressing up with dark make up? Is he not the leader of a progressive multicultural society? Toronto is one of the most diverse cities on the planet and everything seems to run just fine there.
    The only people who care about this are the usual right wing twats who hate everything and are afraid of change.


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    #339
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I haven't seen any outrage, faux or otherwise. I have seen plenty of people delighted that a smarmy, woke, identity politicking, feminist is caught doing the exact type of thing he's spent years preaching about and demonizing others for.
    Schadenfreude

    Why would people be delighted? That is the saddest **** I have ever read. Some people must live utterly miserable lives to be delighted that a politician on the other side of the planet got one in the eye.

    Is this how threatened about their values that some people are? Calling other people snowflakes but being so **** scared of people that preach a bit of tolerance that you are delighted when they misstep. "Look, he is the same as us, so don't dare criticise any of the terms I use or ideology I subscribe to."


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    #340
    FTA69
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    Justin Trudeau isn’t “left wing” or ‘socialist’, he’s a capitalist with socially liberal beliefs. Liberalism and socialism are two different things.

    Personally this humiliation couldn’t happen to a nicer c*nt. He was screwing over Native Americans and privatising the sh*t out of public social services while pretending to be brilliant because he threw out a few platitudes on gay rights or sanctioned someone for saying ‘mankind’.

    I’ve a special hatred for the middle class liberal type; they’ll lambast anyone for saying the wrong thing and they’ll sit around smelling each other’s farts while in actuality be perfectly happy with the rotten economic status quo that exists.

    They’ve ruined the left and what that is supposed to mean.


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    #341
    HailSatan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 328 ✭✭HailSatan


    FTA69 wrote: »

    I’ve a special hatred for the middle class liberal type; they’ll lambast anyone for saying the wrong thing and they’ll sit around smelling each other’s farts while in actuality be perfectly happy with the rotten economic status quo that exists.

    They’ve ruined the left and what that is supposed to mean.

    Please.

    No kink shaming.

    Can we make this a safe space for fart sniffers?


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    #342
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    If that traveller Hughie had been on Dancing with the stars in America he'd be in jail for life.

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    #343
    Tony EH
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Justin Trudeau isn’t “left wing” or ‘socialist’, he’s a capitalist with socially liberal beliefs. Liberalism and socialism are two different things.

    Personally this humiliation couldn’t happen to a nicer c*nt. He was screwing over Native Americans and privatising the sh*t out of public social services while pretending to be brilliant because he threw out a few platitudes on gay rights or sanctioned someone for saying ‘mankind’.

    I’ve a special hatred for the middle class liberal type; they’ll lambast anyone for saying the wrong thing and they’ll sit around smelling each other’s farts while in actuality be perfectly happy with the rotten economic status quo that exists.

    They’ve ruined the left and what that is supposed to mean.

    Those types are only considered "left wing" in America, where politically there exists only shades of the right and these nouveaux "conservatives", who wouldn't know what a real Conservative was if it bit them on the arse.

    What's worrisome, is that this crappy, childish, American "politics", probably the worst of its type, has infiltrated the ideas of the young and the stupid on this side of the pond through pollution on the web.


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    #344
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    While yapping with a black work colleague this morning over breakfast, I asked her what she thought about the blackface controversy involving Leo's best friend from Canada.

    Her reply: "This is so stupid. If I wanted to play Goldilocks, would I be banned from putting on a blonde wig and painting my face white? He was playing Aladdin for God's sake. Aladdin wasn't white." She could see nothing wrong with it.

    So there ya go. That's her thinking anyway and who am I to argue with that.

    That's the whole point. People are brainwashed into thinking racism instead of being able to seperate things in their head for what they are.

    NBC host Megyn Kelly lost her job for this:

    “But what is racist?” Kelly asked her all-white panel. “Because you do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface on Halloween, or a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween.”

    “Back when I was a kid that was ok, as long as you were dressing up as, like, a character,” she said.

    Referring to Luann De Lesseps
    “She dressed as Diana Ross and she made her skin look darker than it really is. And people said that was racist, and I don’t know. I thought, like, who doesn’t love Diana Ross? She wants to look like Diana Ross for one day? I don’t know how that got racist on Halloween,” the host said.

    “I have not seen it, but it sounds a little racist to me,” news correspondent Jacob Soboroff responded.

    “I can’t keep up with the number of people we’re offending just by being normal people,” Kelly said at the end of the discussion.


    De Lesseps eventually apologized for her the Diana Ross Halloween costume. “I’m very sorry to everyone out there if I offended anyone,” she said.

    The star also insisted that she didn’t alter the color of her skin for the costume. “I didn’t. I had bronzer on that I wear normally, like the rest of my skin. I’m tan, like right now. So I didn’t add anything to, or try do ever, ever, ever dream of doing a blackface, ever,” she said.


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    #345
    PhlegmyMoses
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    Bob Harris wrote: »
    That's the whole point. People are brainwashed into thinking racism instead of being able to seperate things in their head for what they are.

    NBC host Megyn Kelly lost her job for this:

    “But what is racist?” Kelly asked her all-white panel. “Because you do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface on Halloween, or a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween.”

    “Back when I was a kid that was ok, as long as you were dressing up as, like, a character,” she said.

    Referring to Luann De Lesseps
    “She dressed as Diana Ross and she made her skin look darker than it really is. And people said that was racist, and I don’t know. I thought, like, who doesn’t love Diana Ross? She wants to look like Diana Ross for one day? I don’t know how that got racist on Halloween,” the host said.

    “I have not seen it, but it sounds a little racist to me,” news correspondent Jacob Soboroff responded.

    “I can’t keep up with the number of people we’re offending just by being normal people,” Kelly said at the end of the discussion.


    De Lesseps eventually apologized for her the Diana Ross Halloween costume. “I’m very sorry to everyone out there if I offended anyone,” she said.

    The star also insisted that she didn’t alter the color of her skin for the costume. “I didn’t. I had bronzer on that I wear normally, like the rest of my skin. I’m tan, like right now. So I didn’t add anything to, or try do ever, ever, ever dream of doing a blackface, ever,” she said.

    The problem with Megyn Kelly starting that conversation is who she is. One of the blondey, republican glamour bots starting a nuanced debate about blackface is not going to go down well, and she was deluded to think otherwise


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    #346
    Bob Harris
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    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    The problem with Megyn Kelly starting that conversation is who she is. One of the blondey, republican glamour bots starting a nuanced debate about blackface is not going to go down well, and she was deluded to think otherwise

    Purely down do who she was but the comments themselves are not inherently racist. They can't be aired publicly though and especially not if you're in her type of role. Everyone has to be PC to a fault. It is entirely false and seems like an awful way to live.


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    #347
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    What made it worse is Trudeux spun all this nonsense himself.


    Which is why it's a story. Hoisted on his own petard. Mr. "Peoplekind" himself.


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    The sheer hypocrisy of people trying to defend it, if it was Trump, there would be murder.


    If Trump did this, those in here wondering what all the fuss is about would be calling for impeachment. CNN would be covering the protests. Total hypocrisy.


    Cant help thinking though that, even though its great to revel in the hypocrisy of the "woke" among us, it doesnt change the fact that the whole "cancel culture" thing is nothing more than dressed-up fascism and should be resisted no matter who on the political or social spectrum is in the firing line. Trudeau has lost all credibility (never had any anyway in my eyes - a total creep). That should be enough.


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    #348
    Achebe
    Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭Achebe


    Trump could perform a minstrel routine, conplete with bright red lips, and Outlaw Pete would write an essay to claim he wasn't racist.


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    #349
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    I agree, poor oul Trump. How hard done by that man has been, that if he were to have dressed in blackface he would not get away with it. Presidential harrassment!


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    #350
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    Purely down do who she was but the comments themselves are not inherently racist. They can't be aired publicly though and especially not if you're in her type of role. Everyone has to be PC to a fault. It is entirely false and seems like an awful way to live.

    There is definitely a debate to be had here. Particularly when it comes to people from countries that are not the US.

    And contrary to what either side of this debate will tell you, there is no right answer or obvious logic.


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    #351
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    There is definitely a debate to be had here. Particularly when it comes to people from countries that are not the US.

    And contrary to what either side of tjis debbate will tel you, there is no right answer or obvious logic.

    Anything you say in the US that could be in any way construed as racist and it's a an automatic witch hunt and the sjw's and virtue signallers and assorted other **** are not happy until you're floating dead on the water.


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    #352
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,881 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    notobtuse wrote: »
    All is forgiven! The United Nations Wokeness Committee has investigated the incidents and has determined his only crime was being TOO FESTIVE. After hearing of the UN decision Trudeau reportedly replied… Thank the stars I’m not a conservative or I would have been hanged, drawn and quartered.

    Hung. If you’re going to make attempts at humour at least be correct.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #353
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Brian? wrote: »
    Hung. If you’re going to make attempts at humour at least be correct.

    I've often wondered about this one, as you hear some folks correcting people who say it one way or the other. From a bit of a Google, it appears both hanged and hung are used interchangeably, particularly as it is an old idiom and the language has evolved. The only people who would get exercised about this are pedants and people who hold strong opinions about the Oxford comma.

    In legal parlance, it's what's known as a lawyer's quibble (at 2am, after two bottles of sherry).


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    #354
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    Anything you say in the US that could be in any way construed as racist and it's a an automatic witch hunt and the sjw's and virtue signallers and assorted other **** are not happy until you're floating dead on the water.

    As I said, there is a wider discussion to be had around cancel culture and the likes, but I really struggle to speak to anybody who uses terms like SJW and Virtue Signaller as disparaging terms in an honest debate, so we shall part ways.


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    #355
    Sin City
    Registered Users Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Sin City


    Also Robert Downey JR did black face on Tropic Thunder
    Again no issue for hin


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    #356
    The_Kew_Tour
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    20 years ago.. in high school

    Didnt realise being a racist had a Best Before Date


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    #357
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Brian? wrote: »
    Hung. If you’re going to make attempts at humour at least be correct.
    Really? This is what gets your panties in a bunch?
    To be hanged, drawn and quartered was from 1352 a statutory penalty in England for men convicted of high treason, although the ritual was first recorded during the reign of King Henry III (1216–1272).

    You must go into septic shock every time you watch Braveheart. :rolleyes:

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #358
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Which is why it's a story. Hoisted on his own petard. Mr. "Peoplekind" himself.






    If Trump did this, those in here wondering what all the fuss is about would be calling for impeachment. CNN would be covering the protests. Total hypocrisy.


    Cant help thinking though that, even though its great to revel in the hypocrisy of the "woke" among us, it doesnt change the fact that the whole "cancel culture" thing is nothing more than dressed-up fascism and should be resisted no matter who on the political or social spectrum is in the firing line. Trudeau has lost all credibility (never had any anyway in my eyes - a total creep). That should be enough.

    Sorry, the world is complex. What Trudeau does has absolutely no bearing on what Trump does. They are in different parties, different countries and two different people. There isn't just two teams and you're in one or the other. I think Trump is a nasty corrupt individual. I think Justin is a twat in the pocket of big business, pretending to be some hippy type. Also CNN did a whole section on it in several shows yesterday.
    Your confusion on the lack of outrage and comparisons to Trump show you are neck deep in Americanised PR and baloney. You're spouting spin.
    Unless you can show who on here votes for or donates to the Trudeau Liberals and has called out Trump on his shenanigans? Also Trump is holding back whistleblower info from congress today, blackface is the least of his worries.


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    #359
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Yurt! wrote: »
    I've often wondered about this one, as you hear some folks correcting people who say it one way or the other. From a bit of a Google, it appears both hanged and hung are used interchangeably, particularly as it is an old idiom and the language has evolved. The only people who would get exercised about this are pedants and people who hold strong opinions about the Oxford comma.

    In legal parlance, it's what's known as a lawyer's quibble (at 2am, after two bottles of sherry).

    It depends on the object and the meaning of the verb. My jacket was hung but Saddam Hussein was hanged. That's the correct language.


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    #360
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,301 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Didnt realise being a racist had a Best Before Date

    There is a difference is saying racist things and being racist. I remember as kids eeny meeny miney mo didn't have a tiger in it. Were all the kids in my class racist or were they just repeating a rhyme they heard.


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    #361
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,049 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    There is a difference is saying racist things and being racist. I remember as kids eeny meeny miney mo didn't have a tiger in it. Were all the kids in my class racist or were they just repeating a rhyme they heard.

    Really? Comparing a grown up to kids in first place?

    Anyway he will survive


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