Some Protesters More Equal Than Others?

vriesmays · 17-09-2019 04:56PM

Neither do our fishermen.

17-09-2019 04:56PM

Ya have to be nice to the Fine Gaelers.

IAMAMORON · 17-09-2019 04:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody gives a damn about the thousands of meat factory workers who have now lost their jobs. My dad RIP worked in this industry all his life and it used to piss him off no end when rural Ireland was discussed on RTE it was always "the farmers". The vast majority of rural people aren't farmers and don't get big handouts from the EU.

The farmers are not responsible for their employment. It is the meat processing companies who have laid them off in fairness. If they weren't being so cosily protected by legislation they would not be allowed treat their staff like slaves either, it is not the staff's fault that their " employers " are ripping off farmers.

griffin100 · 17-09-2019 05:41PM

I’m looking forward to when the laid off meat workers decide to have conversations with the farmers that cost them their jobs. I know who my money would be on.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-09-2019 06:00PM

farmchoice wrote: »

who were beaten off the streets and when?

My friends, family and neighbors were baton charged beaten off the street protesting yet another crippling tax, that's who.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 17-09-2019 06:01PM

jmayo wrote: »

Why should you care since aren't you over in the states probably eating hormone antibiotic laced meat reared on soya and maize.

:pac:

Nope, we have moved to Ireland. Still getting used to it. But the beef is definitely better...

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 17-09-2019 06:04PM

Ipso wrote: »

Months well spent.

You really think so? What did they actually achieve, in your view?

Fan of Netflix · 17-09-2019 06:08PM

Most of the meat factory workers are foreigners thats why they aren't kicking up a fuss or getting much media. I have family work there too, very tough work. Hard as **** most of them.

Mad_maxx · 17-09-2019 06:08PM

Amira Orange Sulfur wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

Months well spent.

You really think so? What did they actually achieve, in your view?

What option is there for beef farmers in your view, can the industry survive if a new Zealand style upscale occurs?

Would require the bulk of farmers sell up, or is our future ( as Dan o Brien put it) not in selling steaks, should it be left to Brazil to supply Irish consumers with beef?

Mad_maxx · 17-09-2019 06:09PM

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Most of the meat factory workers are foreigners thats why they aren't kicking up a fuss or getting much media. I have family work there too, very tough work. Hard as **** most of them.

Lot of Brazilians in that sector

Ipso · 17-09-2019 06:12PM

Amira Orange Sulfur wrote: »

You really think so? What did they actually achieve, in your view?

They became legends in their own minds/echo chambers.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 17-09-2019 06:16PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I'm just trying to explain the rationale. While there's a lot I'd criticise about Irish agriculture I'd rather pay reasonable subsidies to maintain a high quality agricultural sector than see the countryside be turned into a hodgepodge of estates for the nouvelle riche and industrial farms, either owned by some Larry Goodman character or foreign interests.

Unfortunately, the subsidies can't be described as reasonable. The Common Agricultural Policy currently accounts for almost 40 percent of the EU's entire budget, although it was three-quarters of the entire budget in 1985! Over half of an average Irish family farm income comes directly from CAP funds.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 17-09-2019 06:22PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

What option is there for beef farmers in your view, can the industry survive if a new Zealand style upscale occurs?

Would require the bulk of farmers sell up, or is our future ( as Dan o Brien put it) not in selling steaks, should it be left to Brazil to supply Irish consumers with beef?

Most of the cost of producing Irish beef is borne by EU taxpayers -- and not just in payments to the small farmer. Larry Goodman is pulling in over €400k a year in EU money. Then, the same taxpayers have to go to the supermarket and pay handsomely for the same beef they subsidised.

It's not a sustainable system.

Edgware · 17-09-2019 06:27PM

Arghus wrote: »

It probably plays it's part.

Unfortunately, you can be a bit more heavy handed with students because at the end of the day a lot of them won't vote.

And a few slaps wouldnt go astray on them. Middle class scrotes trying to get a bit of the working class street cred. Then they graduate and end up in the Law Library or with the Big 4 accountancy firms making fortunes while working for " the Man"

AloneInTheDark · 17-09-2019 10:11PM

jmayo wrote: »

Why do some people have such a problem with farmers and indeed agri sector wanting to protect their export industry?
Would you like to see our only real indigenous industry finished and the ones at the bottom of it out of business entirely ?
And yes it is our only real indigenous industry because the rest could leave tomorrow. So you are blaming the farmers for that ?

Too much like do as I say not as I do, they can't have everything their own way..
The current setup of small part time farms who buy in a few calves at 6 months and then feed them up till slaughter time is unsustainable.

jmayo wrote: »

Also maybe look at how butchers who would once slaughter and process the carcass have disappeared and now they often just buy the meat prepacked.

In the last 20 years the amount of P (Poor) rated steers has increased that's nothing to do with slaughtering, that's down to how they are reared, the breed etc.

jmayo wrote: »

So if the EU has such supply why import from the likes of Brazil, with it's lower production standards and worse environmental impacts ?

This is all to do with money, the EU trade deal with the 4 South American countries will save billions in duties for EU companies and with the UK gone they will be looking to save money for CAP considering it's 62% of the EU budget, CAP reform is also due next year. This reform plans on limiting payments at 100k per farm cut down on 60k+ payments etc.

Mad_maxx · 17-09-2019 10:38PM

Amira Orange Sulfur wrote: »

Mad_maxx wrote: »

What option is there for beef farmers in your view, can the industry survive if a new Zealand style upscale occurs?

Would require the bulk of farmers sell up, or is our future ( as Dan o Brien put it) not in selling steaks, should it be left to Brazil to supply Irish consumers with beef?

Most of the cost of producing Irish beef is borne by EU taxpayers -- and not just in payments to the small farmer. Larry Goodman is pulling in over €400k a year in EU money. Then, the same taxpayers have to go to the supermarket and pay handsomely for the same beef they subsidised.

It's not a sustainable system.

Of course but should the entire industry be left to die out?

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 17-09-2019 10:47PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Of course but should the entire industry be left to die out?

Well, New Zealand abolished farm subsidies in the 1980s, and the industry didn't die out -- it became one of the most efficient agricultural economies in the world. So I don't think we should assume that the industry will die out. Rather, it may be forced into a much-needed modernization.

weldoninhio · 18-09-2019 02:37PM

The police had a line, the "protesters" were trying to force through that and were hit for doing so. It's not like the police waded into them. It is a random example, not sure of what though.

Some Protesters More Equal Than Others?

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