The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

j8wk2feszrnpao · 11-09-2019 07:58PM

Just read his two alleged emails; wish there was a Google Translate for it. He seems to be mocking the accusation (from what I can tell) of what he supposedly did the first time. The reply from his lawyer suggests that they have their own texts/emails as well to be released. There's probably a lot more information to come out. I kinda find it strange it's not a court case rather than a civil case.

phatkev · 11-09-2019 08:05PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Just read his two alleged emails; wish there was a Google Translate for it. He seems to be mocking the accusation (from what I can tell) of what he supposedly did the first time. The reply from his lawyer suggests that they have their own texts/emails as well to be released. There's probably a lot more information to come out. I kinda find it strange it's not a court case rather than a civil case.

https://twitter.com/bmagg86/status/1171615112861495296

The Good Ole Boys · 11-09-2019 08:32PM

What a bunch of cockamamie!

Itssoeasy · 11-09-2019 09:25PM

I don’t know if this was missed but another San Di... sorry Los Angeles chargers player is injured and out long term with I think the same injury JJ watt.

eagle eye · 11-09-2019 10:58PM

The_Honeybadger wrote:

And you need to get a sense of humour

I need to have a clue what you are saying before I can decide whether it's funny or not.

The Good Ole Boys · 11-09-2019 11:57PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I need to have a clue what you are saying before I can decide whether it's funny or not.

Oh, you know what he's saying. You know.

Itssoeasy · 12-09-2019 11:08AM

I can understand why bill belichick is getting annoyed over being asked about their newest signing as it's nothing the pats have done. It's their new signing who since he left the steelers seems to carry distraction with him.

The_Honeybadger · 12-09-2019 11:21AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I can understand why bill belichick is getting annoyed over being asked about their newest signing as it's nothing the pats have done. It's their new signing who since he left the steelers seems to carry distraction with him.

It’s very much up in the air whether he will play a down for the Pats now. I doubt they’d have signed him at all if they knew all this would come out.

NFL are apparently meeting this lady next week, unless AB buys her off in the meantime. If they do complete their investigation and believe she is telling the truth he is in for a lengthy suspension

Itssoeasy · 12-09-2019 11:26AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

It’s very much up in the air whether he will play a down for the Pats now. I doubt they’d have signed him at all if they knew all this would come out.

NFL are apparently meeting this lady next week, unless AB buys her off in the meantime. If they do complete their investigation and believe she is telling the truth he is in for a lengthy suspension

Well he was seen wearing a jersey with the number 1 on it. He's not been assigned a official jersey number yet which is apparently why he's wearing no 1.

The_Honeybadger · 12-09-2019 12:07PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well he was seen wearing a jersey with the number 1 on it. He's not been assigned a official jersey number yet which is apparently why he's wearing no 1.

84 is taken I believe so they’re probably trying to work it out. If he does get suspended will the Pats stick with him or just cut their losses?

I can’t see the NFL going easy on him given how in the space of one off season he has undermined the entire player contract and trade systems they have put in place.

Elliot got six games for much less, no conviction or civil case even.

Guffy · 12-09-2019 12:14PM

There is a video doing rounds of AB and the woman involved atm. It is apparently from around the same time that the 3 sexual assault alligations took place.

No idea if the allegations are true, but i would not be behaving like that around someone who i believed raped me.

The_Honeybadger · 12-09-2019 12:43PM

Guffy wrote: »

There is a video doing rounds of AB and the woman involved atm. It is apparently from around the same time that the 3 sexual assault alligations took place.

No idea if the allegations are true, but i would not be behaving like that around someone who i believed raped me.

She is saying that she left and cut all ties with him after the alleged rape so if the video is from before then it may not be relevant. There were apparently three major incidents, increasing in seriousness each time.

I have seen a lot of people ask why didn’t she leave the moment he started making advances but don’t forget she was economically dependent on him at the time and working with him was huge for her profile as a PT so it’s feasible that she decided to put up with his lewd behaviour for those reasons, until he went too far obviously. On the flip side, she may well be lying and just looking for money. It’s surprising that he hasn’t already paid her off tbh.

Foxtrol · 12-09-2019 12:59PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I can understand why bill belichick is getting annoyed over being asked about their newest signing as it's nothing the pats have done. It's their new signing who since he left the steelers seems to carry distraction with him.

I don't get your point at all. Unless you're saying that Bill didn't approve the team signing him, otherwise Bill doesn't have any right to be annoyed by questions. AB has dozens of public recent red flags for being a distraction yet the Patriots signed him anyway, it isn't like AB has just showed up to training and is refusing to leave.

Bill paid a for a circus to set up in his back garden and is now acting all grumpy because people are asking him questions about it. What did he expect?

Itssoeasy · 12-09-2019 03:20PM

Well jaysus if the Jets didn't have bad luck they'd have no luck at all it seems.

BizzyC · 12-09-2019 03:32PM

I'm holding off any judgments on the AB ordeal for the moment.

Seems very odd that she's going the civil route for what should be criminal charges, and if he was actually guilty you'd think he'd be paying her off asap to keep it quiet. She's clearly looking for money out of this, not criminal justice.

Having said that though, recent years have taught us that AB may actually be bat**** crazy...
Could just be that he thinks he can get away with it, and she'd prefer to expose him and get financial retribution rather than send him to jail....

The_Honeybadger · 12-09-2019 04:20PM

BizzyC wrote: »

I'm holding off any judgments on the AB ordeal for the moment.

Seems very odd that she's going the civil route for what should be criminal charges, and if he was actually guilty you'd think he'd be paying her off asap to keep it quiet. She's clearly looking for money out of this, not criminal justice.

Having said that though, recent years have taught us that AB may actually be bat**** crazy...
Could just be that he thinks he can get away with it, and she'd prefer to expose him and get financial retribution rather than send him to jail....

Only reason to go the civil route is money, and maybe the satisfaction of getting him suspended.

As already outlined the burden of proof in criminal court is much higher and it may be a very difficult one to get a conviction without physical or other evidence.

That Darnold illness is bad for the Jets. I didn’t know who the backup was until I looked it up, Trevor Siemian, not good.

MileHighGuy · 12-09-2019 09:50PM

I'd consider Siemian one of the better backups in the league, had a reasonable couple of years in Denver, I wouldn't want him as a full-time starter, but he should be solid for a few weeks if needed - it's not like Darnold was tearing the place up.

From Wiki:
On September 25, 2016, Siemian became the first quarterback in NFL history to throw 300 yards and complete 4 touchdowns with no interceptions in his first career road start in a 29–17 win over the Cincinnati Bengals. His 132.1 quarterback rating was the highest achieved in the league that week. He was named the AFC Offensive Player of the Week for his performance against the Bengals.

During Week 12 in a Sunday Night Football game against the Kansas City Chiefs, Siemian threw three touchdowns with no interceptions on 20-of-34 passing for 368 yards. Although the Broncos ultimately lost 30-27 in overtime, he achieved a quarterback rating of 125.6, the second best of his career to date when playing in the majority of a game.

From Weeks 8 to 14, Siemian was one of only three quarterbacks who averaged over 300 passing yards per game (the other two were Tom Brady and Kirk Cousins).By Week 16, he averaged 300.2 passing yards in his previous six games.

Although the Broncos finished the season with a 9–7 record and missed the playoffs, Siemian compiled an 18-10 touchdown-to-interception ratio and an 84.6 passer rating.

On January 23, 2017, Siemian was named as an alternate for the 2017 Pro Bowl, but declined the invitation due to recovery from left shoulder surgery two weeks prior

Masked Man · 12-09-2019 10:08PM

I know it's the pro bowl, but how the hell was Siemian invited!?

MileHighGuy · 12-09-2019 10:44PM

Masked Man wrote: »

I know it's the pro bowl, but how the hell was Siemian invited!?

I know, a sad indictment of the game, but he honestly showed a lot of promise that year. He just never kicked on, and actually regressed behind a terrible offensive line. He got pummeled, injured his shoulder and got very gun shy.

Give him some protection/time and he will do fine.

The_Honeybadger · 12-09-2019 10:57PM

MileHighGuy wrote: »

I know, a sad indictment of the game, but he honestly showed a lot of promise that year. He just never kicked on, and actually regressed behind a terrible offensive line. He got pummeled, injured his shoulder and got very gun shy.

Give him some protection/time and he will do fine.

I was surprised to see your stats I only remember him being poor. Hopefully he can keep the Jets in touch anyway

Christy42 · 12-09-2019 11:51PM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Only reason to go the civil route is money, and maybe the satisfaction of getting him suspended.

As already outlined the burden of proof in criminal court is much higher and it may be a very difficult one to get a conviction without physical or other evidence.

That Darnold illness is bad for the Jets. I didn’t know who the backup was until I looked it up, Trevor Siemian, not good.

I imagine civil is because there is not enough evidence for the criminal case which is not unusual in this type of crime (regardless of which side is telling the truth/.

The_Honeybadger · 13-09-2019 10:45AM

Dolphins have given Minkah Fitzpatrick permission to seek a trade. Once he is gone Xavien Howard will be the only real asset they have left as far as I can see. They are burning the place to the ground entirely and not even trying to hide it.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 13-09-2019 11:14AM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Dolphins have given Minkah Fitzpatrick permission to seek a trade. Once he is gone Xavien Howard will be the only real asset they have left as far as I can see. They are burning the place to the ground entirely and not even trying to hide it.

It's so obvious that I'm not sure why fans would even turn up. Hope they set records for points/yards conceded this year if they want to tank so badly.

eagle eye · 13-09-2019 11:24AM

Christy42 wrote:

I imagine civil is because there is not enough evidence for the criminal case which is not unusual in this type of crime (regardless of which side is telling the truth/.

Thing is there was never any report of a criminal accusation so it was never reported to the police.

The_Honeybadger · 13-09-2019 11:29AM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's so obvious that I'm not sure why fans would even turn up. Hope they set records for points/yards conceded this year if they want to tank so badly.

Even if you are tanking I don’t see why you’d trade a good young safety like Fitzpatrick who is still on his rookie deal. Fans must be going out of their minds

Knex* · 13-09-2019 11:48AM

Masked Man wrote: »

I know it's the pro bowl, but how the hell was Siemian invited!?

Teddy Bridgewater made it in 2015.

16 games
65.3 completion
3,231 yards
14 TDs
9 INTS
88.7 rating.

Christy42 · 13-09-2019 11:59AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Thing is there was never any report of a criminal accusation so it was never reported to the police.

And?

This is not even slightly unusual for rape to go unreported and what are the police going to do? They have the messages and his word vs hers. Not enough for a conviction there.

jack presley · 13-09-2019 03:47PM

Don't you think it's about time they put a chip in the ball?

https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/1172359229879046144?s=20

Itssoeasy · 13-09-2019 10:31PM

A total of 122 players, including eight in their first year of eligibility, comprise the list of Modern-Era player nominees for the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2020. The large list of Modern-Era nominees includes only players whose careers ended less than 25 seasons ago. The nominees include 63 offensive players, 43 defensive players, and 16 special teams players.

MODERN-ERA NOMINEES FOR THE PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME CLASS OF 2020

*Finalist in 2019; Underline indicates first year of eligibility.

Quarterbacks
(7) – Randall Cunningham, Jake Delhomme, Boomer Esiason, Jeff Garcia, Jeff Hostetler, Dave Krieg, Donovan McNabb

Running Backs
(19) – Shaun Alexander, Mike Alstott (FB), Tiki Barber, Earnest Byner, Larry Centers, Corey Dillon, Eddie George, Priest Holmes, *Edgerrin James, Daryl Johnston (FB), Thomas Jones, Maurice Jones-Drew, Eric Metcalf (also WR/KR/PR), Lorenzo Neal (FB), Clinton Portis, Fred Taylor, Herschel Walker (also KR), Chris Warren, Ricky Watters

Wide Receivers
(12) – *Isaac Bruce, Gary Clark, Donald Driver, Henry Ellard (also PR), Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, Derrick Mason, Muhsin Muhammad, Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith, Hines Ward, Reggie Wayne

Tight Ends
(6) – Dallas Clark, Ben Coates, Keith Jackson, Brent Jones, Jeremy Shockey, Wesley Walls

Offensive Linemen
(19) – Willie Anderson (T), Matt Birk (C), *Tony Boselli (T), Lomas Brown (T), Ray Donaldson (C), *Alan Faneca (G), Kevin Gogan (G/T), Jordan Gross (T), Chris Hinton (G/T), Kent Hull (C), *Steve Hutchinson (G), Lincoln Kennedy (T/G), Olin Kreutz (C), Chris Samuels (T), Jeff Saturday (C), Brian Waters (G), Richmond Webb (T), Erik Williams (T), Steve Wisniewski (G)

Defensive Linemen
(11) – John Abraham (DE also LB), La’Roi Glover (DT/NT), Casey Hampton (DT/NT), Chester McGlockton (DT), Leslie O’Neal (DE), Simeon Rice (DE), *Richard Seymour (DT),
Justin Smith (DE), Neil Smith (DE), Greg Townsend (DT/NT), Bryant Young (DT)

Linebackers
(17) – Carl Banks, Cornelius Bennett, Lance Briggs, Tedy Bruschi, James Farrior, London Fletcher, Seth Joyner, Wilber Marshall, Clay Matthews, Willie McGinest (also DE), Sam Mills, Chris Spielman, Takeo Spikes, Darryl Talley, Zach Thomas, Jessie Tuggle, Patrick Willis

Defensive Backs
(15) – Eric Allen (CB), *Steve Atwater (S), Ronde Barber (CB/S), LeRoy Butler (S),
Nick Collins (S), Merton Hanks (S), Rodney Harrison (S), Albert Lewis (CB), *John Lynch (S), Terry McDaniel (CB), Tim McDonald (S), Troy Polamalu (SS), Bob Sanders (S),
Troy Vincent (CB), Darren Woodson (S)

Punters/Kickers
(11) – David Akers (K), Gary Anderson (K), Jason Elam (K), Jeff Feagles (P),
Jason Hanson (K), Sean Landeta (P), Ryan Longwell (K), Nick Lowery (K), Reggie Roby (P), Rohn Stark (P), Matt Turk (P)

Special Teams
(5) – Johnny Bailey (PR/KR also RB), Josh Cribbs (KR/PR also WR), Mel Gray (PR/KR also WR), Brian Mitchell (KR/PR also RB), Steve Tasker (ST also WR)

The modern day list of players eligible to be one of 5 inducted into the 2020 HOF class which will have 15 more added to the 5 modern inductees as always.

So five of those listed above will be inducted next August. None really jump out at me as nailed on to be in. I do hope Randell Cunningham gets in as besides being an eagles QB I think he deserves to get in.

Realt Dearg Sec · 13-09-2019 11:51PM

Surely Polamalu would get in?

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