Poor diction by radio presenters

newcavanman · 10-09-2019 10:48PM

Paddyed wrote: »

I love the radio. Generally switch between Newstalk, Radio One and Today FM. However the general standard of proper pronunciation and grammar can be jaw droppingly bad. I just listened to "Sahurday" Matt Cooper hatcheting his t/h words before passing over to Ian Guider who along with murdering his t/h's, also pronounces many words beginning with t/h as "v". Vis means vat ve turty tree teatres vat are located... Its astounding and shocking that a national broadcaster doesn't insist on minimum standards for its presenters.

Is this another thinly veiled unwarranted attack on the legend that is, Ray Darcy?

Jellybaby1 · 11-09-2019 12:25AM

kneemos wrote: »

No such thing as "proper english". You wouldn't expect someone from Liverpool,Cork or the east end of London to all speak the same would you?
Americans also speak correct english despite your snobbish disapproval.

We should embrace all variations in speech and not be hung up on one upper class twit version of our colonial masters.
Love Pat Kenny,but there are those that say he sounds rather affected, that's fine however.

I am not a snob. I don't care how the majority of the population speak but if you are paid a five, or six figure sum per year to read the news or the sports news or present a TV or Radio programme, then yes indeed I expect better English to be delivered. If you pay bus drivers to drive a bus load of passengers you expect them to drive properly. You are not allowed to drive the Kerry way, or the Donegal way, you have to drive the correct way. Of course there is proper English, just like there is proper Irish, or perhaps not as even Irish is butchered as well. How about this YT video about pronunciation then, and the second one is supposed to be an apology but really isn't and discusses accents as opposed to pronunciation. Its supposed to be 'tongue-in-cheek' but has a good point, in my humble opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHZwOqLrF2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_R6P8eSf8

Adiaga 2 · 11-09-2019 07:31AM

Comhra wrote: »

Brian Dobson says "Nucular" instead of "Nuclear" Where did he get that from?

Homer Simpson?

Duggie2012 · 11-09-2019 10:41AM

presenters that call Macklemore....Mackelmore. its fcking Macklemore. can you not pronounce it right or wha.

Muller1991 · 11-09-2019 11:39AM

johnire wrote: »

The newsreader on Today FM-Niall Colbert-is absolutely atrocious.
He replaces all t’s with a d.........forty becomes fordy etc etc.

If its the same newsreader I'm thinking of I immediately turn the dial his voice goes from high to low to high again with certain words and there is no meaning for it whatsoever , He emphasizes the wrong words ala Ron Burgundy.

For Forks Sake · 11-09-2019 12:10PM

Comhra wrote: »

Brian Dobson says "Nucular" instead of "Nuclear" Where did he get that from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoASZyihalc

Trick of the Tail · 11-09-2019 01:00PM

Comhra wrote: »

Brian Dobson says "Nucular" instead of "Nuclear" Where did he get that from?

That drives me mad!

kneemos · 11-09-2019 01:23PM

Pronunciation is evolutionary. To be concerned about current trends is futile.

bobbyss · 12-09-2019 06:03PM

I hate the dis and dats of people like joe duffy. I hate J Hurley and her HARSE racing. How did she pass the diction exam at AAAARR TE? I hate Matt Cooper saying words like truth and telling us what the latest noose is. I hate GAA people (seems endemic there) who answer every question 'Lookit' or 'Listen'. I hate the bloody cork accent. Is that Brendan O'Carrol from there? Hate that accent. It's a bit of an embarrassment really.

dxhound2005 · 12-09-2019 07:13PM

Comhra wrote: »

Brian Dobson says "Nucular" instead of "Nuclear" Where did he get that from?

Good explanation here.

Brendan Bendar · 13-09-2019 05:24PM

bobbyss wrote: »

I hate the dis and dats of people like joe duffy. I hate J Hurley and her HARSE racing. How did she pass the diction exam at AAAARR TE? I hate Matt Cooper saying words like truth and telling us what the latest noose is. I hate GAA people (seems endemic there) who answer every question 'Lookit' or 'Listen'. I hate the bloody cork accent. Is that Brendan O'Carrol from there? Hate that accent. It's a bit of an embarrassment really.

With you all the way Bob.... Lookit... getting out of hand.

Jaqui has the harshest voice I have ever heard south of the border.

Croke Paaaaaark.

endofrainbow · 13-09-2019 06:16PM

I hate how Nuala Carey says 'Chicargo' there's no R in it &#55357;&#56865;&#55357;&#56865;&#55357;&#56865;

Anus Von Skidmark · 13-09-2019 06:29PM

I wish someone would teach the AA Roadwatch ladies how to pronounce the 'ou' in 'south' and 'roundabout'. Round shouldn't rhyme with 'bind'.

Brendan Bendar · 13-09-2019 06:29PM

endofrainbow wrote: »

I hate how Nuala Carey says 'Chicargo' there's no R in it ��

Ah, yes, that’s a real Dub one, throw in the ‘r’ when it’s not there.

Lost count of the number of times I have seen ‘larger” instead of ‘lager’ on off licence ad.boards.

As the Dub said in the pub “ O’iim gauin to Chi-cargo on Orgust to visit moi doherter!!”

. You couldn’t make it up.

Anus Von Skidmark · 13-09-2019 06:30PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Ah, yes, that’s a real Dub one, throw in the ‘r’ when it’s not there.

Lost count of the number of times I have seen ‘larger” instead of ‘lager’ on off licence ad.boards.

As the Dub said in the pub “ O’iim gauin to Chicargo on Orgust to visit moi doherter!!”

. You couldn’t make it up.

Was he from Chapelizard?

Brendan Bendar · 13-09-2019 06:34PM

Anus Von Skidmark wrote: »

Was he from Chapelizard?

No, Fizzboro.....:D

dxhound2005 · 13-09-2019 07:47PM

It's caused by the same phenomenon mentioned in the video I posted viz. expected pronunciation. That example was the word Mischievous.

Not many English words would have Cago or Lizod as an element, whereas Cargo and Lizard are well known. Chicago is a French version of a very odd Native American word. The Chicargo pronunciation is not confined to Irish people by any means.

the_pen_turner · 14-09-2019 12:12AM

what annoys me during the obituaries is when they cannot pronounce the names of the townslands in their own area. its not that hard. if your unsure ask someone and not butcher the name.

Brendan Bendar · 14-09-2019 02:22AM

Anus Von Skidmark wrote: »

I wish someone would teach the AA Roadwatch ladies how to pronounce the 'ou' in 'south' and 'roundabout'. Round shouldn't rhyme with 'bind'.

And also that ‘Cork’ is ‘Cork’ not ‘Coe-erk’.

Thanking you!

Say Your Number · 14-09-2019 02:23AM

I often wonder how people that get deeply upset by this type of thing manage to survive when they're out in the real world.

Brendan Bendar · 14-09-2019 02:25AM

Say Your Number wrote: »

I often wonder how people that get deeply upset by this type of thing manage to survive when they're out in the real world.

Through tightly clenched teeth,my friend, trust me on that.

14-09-2019 12:11PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Good explanation here.

Blimey, that was actually very interesting - thanks!

14-09-2019 03:02PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

what annoys me during the obituaries is when they cannot pronounce the names of the townslands in their own area. its not that hard. if your unsure ask someone and not butcher the name.

Not sure what you mean by that. In some local towns around down home, Borrisokane is pronounced Burris-ikane by almost everyone except outsiders; Cloughjordan is Cloughjurdan, and some people still say Nayna instead of Nenagh.

This would be deemed all wrong by some people on this thread, but it's not.

The Irish for the first stem of Borrisokane is Buirís, which is much closer to the local usage of BUrris--
The Irish for Cloughjordan is Cloch Shiurdáin - again explaining the unexpected letter U in local pronunciation.
The Irish for Nenagh is An t-Aonach, AO in Irish is pronounced AY. This explains the AY sound in Nayna.

A question for for anyone who thinks the locals are wrong. How do you pronounce Birr (Biorra)? Presumably you don't say that phonetically to English (almost only foreign tourists do). The IO in Biorra makes a - yuh- sound in Irish, which is the closest we have to the letter U in Irish -- so it's Burr as in fur and not Birr as in the first syllable of mirror.

I suspect if you ask the locals to pronounce a lot of most local placenames, it won't resemble at all the local pronunciation.

How often does someone on the radio say Weshtport?

Maybe your point is that media should be using local pronounciation, but that would deemed wrong by a lot of people here.

Brendan Bendar · 14-09-2019 04:43PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by that. In some local towns around down home, Borrisokane is pronounced Burris-ikane by almost everyone except outsiders; Cloughjordan is Cloughjurdan, and some people still say Nayna instead of Nenagh.

This would be deemed all wrong by some people on this thread, but it's not.

The Irish for the first stem of Borrisokane is Buirís, which is much closer to the local usage of BUrris--
The Irish for Cloughjordan is Cloch Shiurdáin - again explaining the unexpected letter U in local pronunciation.
The Irish for Nenagh is An t-Aonach, AO in Irish is pronounced AY. This explains the AY sound in Nayna.

A question for for anyone who thinks the locals are wrong. How do you pronounce Birr (Biorra)? Presumably you don't say that phonetically to English (almost only foreign tourists do). The IO in Biorra makes a - yuh- sound in Irish, which is the closest we have to the letter U in Irish -- so it's Burr as in fur and not Birr as in the first syllable of mirror.

I suspect if you ask the locals to pronounce a lot of most local placenames, it won't resemble at all the local pronunciation.

How often does someone on the radio say Weshtport?

Maybe your point is that media should be using local pronounciation, but that would deemed wrong by a lot of people here.

The poster means that the presenter should pronounce the name of the area the same way as 90% of the population pronounce it.

eg. Gort in County Galway... it’s GORT.... not Gurt

eg Labane in South Galway... it’s .LAA-ban not LAHBANE

What’s so forking difficult about understanding that.

eg Carnew in Wicklow it’s CAR-NEW... the fact that the locals call it Curnoo is totally of no consequence.

storker · 14-09-2019 04:55PM

kneemos wrote: »

No such thing as "proper english". You wouldn't expect someone from Liverpool,Cork or the east end of London to all speak the same would you?
Americans also speak correct english despite your snobbish disapproval.

We should embrace all variations in speech and not be hung up on one upper class twit version of our colonial masters.
Love Pat Kenny,but there are those that say he sounds rather affected, that's fine however.

There's nothing wrong with expecting a higher standard of communication from those who are paid to do it, and it's not a case of either regional-accent-with-mispronounced words or posh-BBC-circa-1950s. Nor is it anything to do with snobbery. It's possible to speak with a regional accent and still pronounce words properly. If someone with a Cork accent pronounces their "th"'s properly, their accent doesn't suddenly morph into that of someone from Belgravia.

14-09-2019 04:59PM

Only yuppies and spoofers speak properly. **** em.

storker · 14-09-2019 05:00PM

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

So if it is still taught, why don't the presenters use it? It must be because they are lazy, and RTE don't seem to have any standards at all.

One of the things that annoys me the most about RTE presenters and reporters (and I'm looking at Ciaran Mullooly in particular), is an inability to punctuate speech correctly, resulting it unnecessary pauses that break up the flow of speech e.g. "The car turned....into the side road and two people...got out." It's as if he's trying to insert pauses for effect but in all the wrong places.

14-09-2019 05:42PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What’s so forking difficult about understanding that.

eg Carnew in Wicklow it’s CAR-NEW... the fact that the locals call it Curnoo is totally of no consequence.

How do you pronounce the IRR In Birr?

-IRR as in Mirror, or -UR as in Fur? Why?

Also, Gort is pronounced Gurt in the Connacht and Munster dialects. That's why locals call it Gurt. Irish is also the reason you don't pronounce the -IR in Birr as in Mirror. That's a little inconsistent of you.

Brendan Bendar · 14-09-2019 05:58PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How do you pronounce the IRR In Birr?

-IRR as in Mirror, or -UR as in Fur? Why?

Also, Gort is pronounced Gurt in the Connacht and Munster dialects. That's why locals call it Gurt. Irish is also the reason you don't pronounce the -IR in Birr as in Mirror. That's a little inconsistent of you.

Only one flaw in that argument Tee, the locals don’t call it Gurt.

Brendan Bendar · 14-09-2019 06:44PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How do you pronounce the IRR In Birr?

-IRR as in Mirror, or -UR as in Fur? Why?

Also, Gort is pronounced Gurt in the Connacht and Munster dialects. That's why locals call it Gurt. Irish is also the reason you don't pronounce the -IR in Birr as in Mirror. That's a little inconsistent of you.

Incorrect..... An Gort can be pronounced as An Gurt as the Irish translation, and there is conflict in the correct name ...Gort Inse Ghuaire is the preferred Irish name....pronounced Gurt inshe Ghuaire

However that is of no consequence, the town in called Gort

How is there such a difficulty about that.

Poor diction by radio presenters

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