The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

The_Honeybadger wrote:

Fair enough. What else would he make an official complaint about?

The attempted attack and threats.

What a weird month for Vedvik. Looked solid for the Ravens so the Vikings give up a 5th for him. Looks terrible in the next 3 PS games and gets cut. Jets sign him off waivers last week and he was poor yesterday. Cut again.

Back to the Ravens to be rehabilitated and traded to a desperate team again next summer?

https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1171500422520901638

jack presley wrote: »

The AB fallout continues

https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1171520412494090241

And this trade also means that BB has now made a trade with every team in the NFL. The Jets were the last one.

Looks a pretty sweet deal for the Jets

Every chance Thomas wanted the move after being designated inactive on Sunday. If you can't make the gameday squad and AB coming in next week then there's not much hope of you getting any playing time.

Lawsuit Accuses Antonio Brown of Rape: The Patriots receiver is accused of three incidents of sexual assault, in 2017 and 2018, against a woman who attended college with him

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/sports/football/antonio-brown-sexual-asssault-patriots.html

Patriots get their turn to deal with the circus

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Why is this a personal lawsuit and not a public prosecution?
Not dismissing any of this, too sides and all that, but did police decide there wasnt enough evidence? (Now maybe she didn't even go to police, but that sounds a bit strange)

Timing is also very coincidental

Is there likely to be any evidence either way? Unless there are some dodgy looking messages how are you going to show it was not consensual?

I imagine it is the lack of evidence which is a nature of the crime.

Again not saying he is guilty, more that I could see why she went down this route if she is telling the truth.

Giving her name seems risky though. Truth or not there are wackjobs that will take personal offense on behalf of Brown and take action.

Christy42 wrote: »

Is there likely to be any evidence either way? Unless there are some dodgy looking messages how are you going to show it was not consensual?

I imagine it is the lack of evidence which is a nature of the crime.

Again not saying he is guilty, more that I could see why she went down this route if she is telling the truth.

Giving her name seems risky though. Truth or not there are wackjobs that will take personal offense on behalf of Brown and take action.

There's definitely some of those anyway

I’m sure Robert Kraft will be able to advise AB on this

Hazys wrote: »

I get what a civil case is if its not a criminal matter or post a criminal investigation but what I'm struggling with is how you can have a civil case without a preceding criminal case as its a criminal act. If there is no criminal case then there is 0 impartial evidence for a civil case to use and its a pure he said, she said scenario...unless i'm missing something? (unless they are hoping more victims come out because of this making it more than just he said, she said)

The allegations are acts with both has criminal and civil implications, you don't need to go through criminal to claim civil.

Why do you think there zero impartial evidence? Evidence doesn't become impartial because the police have looked at it and it has gone through a criminal case.

Prosecutors shouldn't take a case to court if they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, it doesn't mean a civil case can't find someone guilty within their standard of proof.

Hazys wrote: »

No legal expert here (which is pretty obvious from these posts) but i would have presumed any evidence especially for a physical act would have to be analysed by the police to its validity. The only evidence from what i can tell is the emails in which for what i could make out was damning for Brown related to sexual assault but not rape. Suing for rape without a proceeding criminal investigation seemed unusual to me. I was trying to google similar cases but it didn't seem to turn up much similar cases.

I did come across that Jared Hayne was sued for rape in a civil case after a criminal investigation and he settled with the victim for $100k. I didn't realize that was probably the reason he quit the NFL and he fcuked off back to Australia before his acts became publicized and well known: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/115440844/nrl-jarryd-hayne-settles-us-rape-case-with-payment-of-almost-a100000

In cases where there is physical evidence of the crime, where someone goes to police/hospital straight after and gets examined, then that would be analyzed but even in those cases the defense can challenge the validity of it. No matter what the source, evidence is evidence and it rarely more or less 'impartial' in a criminal or civil case.

I'm also no legal expert but living in the States I've followed a few trials and it is quite different from Ireland. Going to the police for an investigation is the normal course and as far as I know at this point it is still not clear if she went to them. The police could also still open an investigation now or when more details come out.

Below is the initial complaint against Brown, which might not include all the evidence they have. If this doesn't get settled it will go to discovery and deposition, where more evidence could come up and AB will likely be forced to answer questions on it under oath. One things is certain, AB whether it was faking or real craziness, his actions over the last 2 years doesn't help him dealing with this case.

https://www.scribd.com/document/425324083/Antonio-Brown-Lawsuit#from_embed?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=126006X1587341Xcc330bcaf90b8c359c142d8576ccc328&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate

D9Male wrote: »

Ì have been closely following the NFL for 6 years.

It is incredible how much I have learned about the US legal system in that time.

Hill, Kraft, Deflategate, Lawsuit on PI, Kaepernick, CTE and now Antonio Brown.

The variety is breathtaking.

Were you not around for the last CBA? Christ, that one dragged on and on through lower courts, higher courts, different state courts.........

Hazys wrote: »

The crazy thing is how this doesn't happen so frequently in other sports leagues around the world. I presume its all just a by product of American society and its justice systems.

Two of my recent favourites were the Saints fans that went all the way up to the Louisiana Supreme court alleging fraud against the NFL for the officiating mistake last year and the posturing that Brady was going to the US Supreme court for deflategate. Can't imagine any Irish fan or player taking that route in either circumstances.

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I’m sure Robert Kraft will be able to advise AB on this

On what? Sexual assault charges? I think you need to be more specific.