Most evil dictator

Fritzbox · 06-09-2019 05:30PM

howamidifferent wrote: »

Leo

Leopold II? Already mentioned...

AudreyHepburn · 06-09-2019 05:34PM

Hard to pick just one because unfortunately there have been an awful lot of evil men in charge of countries but for me the worst apart from Mugabe himself are;

Pol Pot
Mao
Stalin
Hitler
Radovan Karadic
Gaddafi
Sadam Hussein

Cupp3r · 06-09-2019 05:36PM

Surprised Idi Amin wasn't mentioned.

KingNobit · 06-09-2019 05:37PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Do we measure by gratuitous cruelty or sheer numbers?

As a % of the global population Kublai Khan is probably the winner.

But then consider the way they governed too? Genghis was a nutjob who killed a whole town cause one man said something he didn't like but the governing structure was okay

Cupp3r · 06-09-2019 05:39PM

Also Kai shek maybe not spelled correctly

06-09-2019 05:44PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

This is true. The democracies certainly have killed more people in the 20C than most dictatorships. Vietnam alone was about 3M.

This is totally false.

That includes killings by both sides, in a much longer period, and also a absolute high sided figure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll#List_of_genocides

Most of these were not democracies. For some reason they don't list Mao here

Ipso · 06-09-2019 06:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is totally false.

That includes killings by both sides, in a much longer period, and also a absolute high sided figure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll#List_of_genocides

Most of these were not democracies. For some reason they don't list Mao here

Shur, it wasn't real communism.

mynamejeff · 06-09-2019 06:21PM

John Delaney ?

what an a hole

Mad_maxx · 06-09-2019 06:34PM

Pol pot, just for his devotion to demented levels of ideological purity.

Apart from the much documented stuff of killing academics ( wearing glasses was deemed a major subversive threat) and sending them to work in the collective farms,

He demanded the grass and plants be pulled up so as to complete year zero in its totality

Mad_maxx · 06-09-2019 06:35PM

When you compare population size, Mao would have needed to kill a hundred million in order to rival pol pot

griffin100 · 06-09-2019 06:38PM

Emperor Hirohito. Oversaw the killings of tens of millions by the Japanese during their occupation of China and during WW2 in his name.

JohnnyFlash · 06-09-2019 06:39PM

A lot of people say Stalin, but he was a man who genuinely believed in what he was doing. He was a fanatic Marxist, who believed he was following the sacred texts of communism to a T.

Fritzbox · 06-09-2019 06:41PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of people say Stalin, but he was a man who genuinely believed in what he was doing.

So did Hitler - I'm sure all the great despots believed in what they did?

Ipso · 06-09-2019 06:42PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of people say Stalin, but he was a man who genuinely believed in what he was doing. He was a fanatic Marxist, who believed he was following the sacred texts of communism to a T.

Yeah, you have to consider his political opinions. Makes the deaths a bit easier to swallow.

Das Reich · 06-09-2019 06:44PM

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

Ipso · 06-09-2019 06:47PM

Das Reich wrote: »

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

Or the people who Saddam kept under control.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 06-09-2019 06:49PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No they didn't.

USSR, Hitler, China. How many people killed? Against democracies? Not a hope. Unless you are going to consider WW2 the democracies fault?

I said most dictatorships. But maybe not all. Juries out. Depends on how many people were killed by the US and British empires in total.

Fun fact, fascist Spain was probably less racist than the US in the post war period.

Fritzbox · 06-09-2019 06:49PM

Das Reich wrote: »

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

Which war did Obama start?

Speaking of starting wars, how about Vlad Putin?

AudreyHepburn · 06-09-2019 06:49PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

A lot of people say Stalin, but he was a man who genuinely believed in what he was doing. He was a fanatic Marxist, who believed he was following the sacred texts of communism to a T.

I think all dictators believe what they are doing is right. That doesn’t mean the things they do are acceptable.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 06-09-2019 06:50PM

Fritzbox wrote: »

Which war did Obama start?

Speaking of starting wars, how about Vlad Putin?

Libya and Syria. Yemen.

is_that_so · 06-09-2019 06:50PM

Das Reich wrote: »

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

Think this thread is about dictators. Whatever else might be said about these two that much is not true.

Fritzbox · 06-09-2019 06:51PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Libya and Syria. Probably Yemen.

I don't think he started those - all those countries have been feuding along time before Obama arrived on the scene.

AudreyHepburn · 06-09-2019 06:54PM

Das Reich wrote: »

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

I don’t know if you’re just trying to be edgy here but on the off chance that you’re not I think you need to look up the definition of dictator.

Ulysses Gaze · 06-09-2019 06:57PM

Of the 20th Century

Mao
Stalin
Pol Pot
Hitler
Idi Amin
Charles Taylor

jmayo · 06-09-2019 07:00PM

Ipso wrote: »

Well, as long as Castro liked him. That's all that matters.

and don't forget he made sure that Real Madrid got the best players so they could win the European Cup.

Actually remind a Real fan, especially the Irish ones, next time they are waffling on about them having so many European titles.

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

This is true. The democracies certainly have killed more people in the 20C than most dictatorships. Vietnam alone was about 3M.

Ah FFS do you hate the West so much that you are trying to pedal that shyte.

Das Reich wrote: »

From the XXI century I would say Bush and Obama, many wars created by them two.

And here comes your buddy.

You do know what a dictator means, right ?

Last time I checked it is rare for them to be replaced at the polling booth.

Bad leaders starting wars does not equal dictator.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 06-09-2019 07:02PM

Fritzbox wrote: »

I don't think he started those - all those countries have been feuding along time before Obama arrived on the scene.

Libya was stable until the US bombed it.

jmayo · 06-09-2019 07:03PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Of the 20th Century

Mao
Stalin
Pol Pot
Hitler
Idi Amin
Charles Taylor

Actually just list most African leaders, a lot of South Americas, a fair chunk of Asia and hey presto a list of dictators added to the usual suspects from Europe.

I would bet that a lot of the younger folks don't even have the foggiest idea that the all of Eastern Europe had dictatorships upto 1990s and that Spain, Greece and Portugal had until the 70s.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 06-09-2019 07:05PM

jmayo wrote: »

Ah FFS do you hate the West so much that you are trying to pedal that shyte

I’m a fan of the west. Spain, Portugal and Greece are also western. I was comparing these dictatorships to the actions of the US and the British empire. And finding that the democracies are often worse.

jmayo · 06-09-2019 07:06PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

I said most dictatorships. But maybe not all. Juries out. Depends on how many people were killed by the US and British empires in total.

Fun fact, fascist Spain was probably less racist than the US in the post war period.

Most places were less racist than US in post war period.

Fritzbox · 06-09-2019 07:07PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Libya was stable until the US bombed it.

In 2011? I thought they were mainly European countries?

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