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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019/2020

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  • #4832
    gimli2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,426 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Sahko looked awkward but somehow was pretty effective. I appreciate if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck it's probably a duck but somehow Sahko was a pretty good defender. I was sad to see him go but understood the reasons why and we have significantly upgraded that area since.


  • #4833
    steve_r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭steve_r


    Sahko and Can looked good at times but sometimes I think people looking at players like that and think what they might develop into, rather than what they are.

    Can only went to Juve because he was free, realistically no top team would have been willing to pay a decent fee for him. Likewise with Sahko, bombed at PSG, had ups and downs with Liverpool (depending on who you ask) and hasn't been linked with a top tier team since going to Palace.

    There was a good article recently that talked about squad management - that getting rid of the players that are not top level is also required, not just quality recruitment. Sahko is a great example of a player shipped on, and replaced by Matip/Gomez who are significantly better.

    Can being replaced by Fabinho is a textbook example of getting a far superior player.

    I like both players, and I see why people wanted them to succeed but they were never going to turn into the players we needed to challenge for a title. The club identified their "ceiling" and moved them on (or let them leave), and were proved right, similar to how Solanke, Ibe etc have been moved on.

    I know Can has a different case because of the free transfer but I believe if they had really wanted him to stay they would have made it happen


  • #4834
    shamrock55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,296 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    How sad and lonesome do you have to be to report someone to a mod, too many snowflakes around I think


  • #4835
    shamrock55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,296 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    Our game away to West ham on Dec 21st is to be rescheduled because of world club championships, that's good news anyway around a very congested period

    Edit, didn't realise the final was on around that time so it was always gonna be postponed anyway


  • #4836
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    shamrock55 wrote: »
    Our game away to West ham on Dec 21st is to be rescheduled because of world club championships, that's good news anyway around a very congested period

    Edit, didn't realise the final was on around that time so it was always gonna be postponed anyway

    Took a look at the Club World Cup, here's the teams already qualified:
    • Espérance de Tunis (Africa)
    • Monterrey (North/Central America)
    • Hienghène Sport (Oceania)
    • Al-Sadd (Qatar - host)
    • Liverpool (Europe)

    With 2 places still to be determined:
    • Copa Libertadores Winners - currently in Semi-Final stage with a mouth-watering Boca v River Plate all-Argentinian and a Grêmio v Flamengo all-Brazilian semi final to determine the final on 23rd November

    • AFC Champions League Winners (Asia) - currently in Quarter-Final stage with the final being between teams from East Asia (China or Japan) v West Asia (Saudi Arabia or Qatar) finishing 24th November

    Al-Sadd might still win the AFC Championship meaning that the runner-up would qualify as they are already in the tournament representing the hosts.

    Entry Rounds:

    1st Round (Dec-11):

    Al Sadd or AFC Championship runner up v Hienghène Sport

    Quarter Final (Dec-14):

    1st round winner + Al Sadd or AFC Championship Winner + Espérance de Tunis + Monterrey

    Semi Final (Dec-17/18):

    Quarter Final winners v Liverpool + Copa Libertadores winner

    Then Final (Dec-21), 3rd place (Dec-21) and 5th place (Dec-17) games based on the outcomes of the above.


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  • #4837
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,262 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    I think Sahko was a decent centre half but suffers from a comparison with VVD (who wouldn't suffer from such a comparison?) and the fact he acted the clown and seemed unable not to be able not to act like a clown when told he was acting like a clown. He also had comparatively poor hair.

    After reading this I felt like how opposition defenders feel when Mo is running at them and turning them inside out. :P


  • #4838
    gimli2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,426 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    The WC club championships have really expanded. In my day you only had to fly 1/2 way around the world, lose 0-1 to some team from Brazil and then fly back.
    Surely at some point someone will realise this thing is just nonsense. Who's interested in it? Does this count as one of our trophies?


  • #4839
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,262 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    The WC club championships have really expanded. In my day you only had to fly 1/2 way around the world, lose 0-1 to some team from Brazil and then fly back.
    Surely at some point someone will realise this thing is just nonsense. Who's interested in it? Does this count as one of our trophies?

    It’s a strange one – in theory it should be the biggest club trophy of them all since it’s, y’know, the World Club Cup and all, but I think the fact that it’s run in December (bang in the middle of the European leagues), and always in Asia (why is this, btw?), means that it’s looked at as a hassle. If it was played in Europe in August I’d say it would have more shine but even then, everyone knows that the CL is the hardest knock-out competition to win.

    But yeah the Brazilian/Argentinian teams seem to take the WCC more seriously.


  • #4840
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    fyfe79 wrote: »
    It’s a strange one – in theory it should be the biggest club trophy of them all since it’s, y’know, the World Club Cup and all, but I think the fact that it’s run in December (bang in the middle of the European leagues), and always in Asia (why is this, btw?), means that it’s looked at as a hassle. If it was played in Europe in August I’d say it would have more shine but even then, everyone knows that the CL is the hardest knock-out competition to win.

    But yeah the Brazilian/Argentinian teams seem to take the WCC more seriously.

    They're revamping it in 2021 to be a larger event in the summer replacing the Confederations Cup like the international World Cup.

    It's expected to have 24 clubs but many clubs oppose the idea.


  • #4841
    shamrock55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,296 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    Of course it's a big trophy, I can't wait till we win it and can call ourselves the champions of the world, something we've never officially been able to do, plus what a lovely Xmas present to get


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  • #4842
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    The WC club championships have really expanded. In my day you only had to fly 1/2 way around the world, lose 0-1 to some team from Brazil and then fly back.
    Surely at some point someone will realise this thing is just nonsense. Who's interested in it? Does this count as one of our trophies?
    Yes. It only seems to be the English teams that have this mentality, same as per the Euro Super Cup. You have to win the CL to get into it. Far better than winning the League Cup IMO. It's not the CL or PL, but def worth winning, esp as we'd probably only have to field our best team once to win it.


  • #4843
    Owl.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Owl.


    shamrock55 wrote: »
    How sad and lonesome do you have to be to report someone to a mod, too many snowflakes around I think

    Dealt with.


  • #4844
    B_ecke_r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭B_ecke_r


    it be nice to win it but I'd much rather win the league cup if given the option.


  • #4845
    gimli2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,426 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Owen's not taking any prisoners following on from his attack on Shearer, he's also highly critical of Beckham's sending off in France and Capello's time as the England manager. That's how you sell a book, good old controversy.


  • #4846
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,600 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    Yes. It only seems to be the English teams that have this mentality

    The Same English teams and supporters that have the mentality that the Europa League is a waste of time and want to avoid it as it is 'a distraction' from the league. Like what is the point of trying to finish higher in the league in order to qualify for Europe, just so you can get out of it ASAP the following season, just to concentrate on finishing in the same EL places and continue the cycle again.


  • #4847
    Luckycharms_74
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Luckycharms_74


    These god damn international breaks :mad:

    Any way back to more pressing matters. Our next block of games before we have another international break then play Man Utd on the 20th October are 2 CL, 1 CC and 4 league games.
    I feel we can win all 6 but most definitely the 4 league games we should win for THIS team.


    Sept:
    14th - Newcastle (H)
    17th - Napoli (A)
    22nd - Chelsea (A)
    25th - MK Dons (A) (2nd string team)
    28th - Sheffield Utd (A)

    Oct:
    2nd - Salzburg (H)
    5th - Leicester (H)


  • #4848
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    Owen's not taking any prisoners following on from his attack on Shearer, he's also highly critical of Beckham's sending off in France and Capello's time as the England manager. That's how you sell a book, good old controversy.

    a book !!!! the man is not the brightest and didn't accomplish that much of note to have a book out


  • #4849
    Umaro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Umaro


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    No flipping going on here mate. Never rated him as highly as some on here. (ya can check my history if ya want...I stand by my opinion.. he actually walked though games.)
    Same as sahko.
    The sun shone out of both their asses for some folk on here...never understood why. Good hair and being a 'beast' will only get ya so far.

    Did you just give me homework?
    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    Thats it Can! Do your talking out on the pitch. He can now come back to the table with a goal of the season and say..."pay me what i'm worth"!! Sign him up !! His knee slide alone is worth 100k a week.

    Yikes fella :)


    Anyways, my point was that he isn't as poor a player as some people would make out. In that particular season it was a midfield of Can, Hendo, Gini and Milner that secured Top 4 and took us to a Champions League final. Lallana was out injured for large parts of the season, Ox only made 14 starts in the league vs Can's 24 (though Ox was brilliant in CL for us, hope we get him back to that level).

    Can helped us get back into regular CL qualification, and when he left the door was opened for Fabinho to steal our hearts. I wouldn't be looking for us to take Can back but I'm not going to rewrite his time with us either. He was a good player, but now we have a Rolls Royce in that position and Ox is back from injury too and deserves a chance to stake his claim.


  • #4850
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    FitzShane wrote: »
    The Same English teams and supporters that have the mentality that the Europa League is a waste of time and want to avoid it as it is 'a distraction' from the league. Like what is the point of trying to finish higher in the league in order to qualify for Europe, just so you can get out of it ASAP the following season, just to concentrate on finishing in the same EL places and continue the cycle again.
    Chelsea fans were pretty happy to win it :)
    Back into the CL if nothing else for some teams.


  • #4851
    B_ecke_r
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭B_ecke_r


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    a book !!!! the man is not the brightest and didn't accomplish that much of note to have a book out

    he won nearly everything he could @ domestic level and also the only English player in about 40 years to win Player of the year.

    Not his biggest fan but there's plenty with books out who are lower level than he was


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  • #4852
    j8wk2feszrnpao
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    B_ecke_r wrote: »
    he won nearly everything he could @ domestic level and also the only English player in about 40 years to win Player of the year.

    Not his biggest fan but there's plenty with books out who are lower level than he was
    The problem with Owen's book, is that anything of interest is from his early career, all of which is 15+ years ago at this stage. He's covered quite a bit of it already in interviews over the years.
    The serialization stuff is boring to me. I get he gets money from the paper, and it adds whatever controversy it can to generate hype for sales, but I don't watch soap drama's for a reason.


  • #4853
    Nerdlingr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    Umaro wrote: »
    Did you just give me homework?

    Yikes fella :)

    ha ha, you probably picked out the one and only post where i praised him !! :D:D
    Think i may have been delirious after his bicycle kick !!

    Had a quick look myself, justa few brief posts ...jaysus..poor emre..i barely gave him the time of day. :D:p


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105994160&postcount=9127

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104672282&postcount=6606

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105738259&postcount=2950

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105603456&postcount=8963

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102474182&postcount=7594

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97666940&postcount=3125

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105364255&postcount=4573

    Can was grand. Nothing special. So i'm not trying to re-write or flip on him as was suggested.
    People are allowed voice an opinion without it being suggested as some of flip-flop revisionism.
    I never really rated the guy, then or now.


  • #4854
    The Good Ole Boys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭The Good Ole Boys


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    ha ha, you probably picked out the one and only post where i praised him !! :D:D
    Think i may have been delirious after his bicycle kick !!

    Had a quick look myself, justa few brief posts ...jaysus..poor emre..i barely gave him the time of day. :D:p


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105994160&postcount=9127

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104672282&postcount=6606

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105738259&postcount=2950

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105603456&postcount=8963

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102474182&postcount=7594

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97666940&postcount=3125

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105364255&postcount=4573

    Can, Moreno and Benteke. We've come a long way the past year or so.


  • #4855
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,572 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Fabinho didn't play in a lot of the games in first half of season that we dropped points in.

    Chelsea 1-1 Away. Didn't start
    City 0-0 Home. Didn't start
    Arsenal 1-1 Away , started
    City 2-1 Away , Didn't start
    Leicester 1-1 Home , Didn't start
    West Ham 1-1 Home, Started
    United 0-0 Away , Started
    Everton 0-0 Away, Started . So did Origi, Firmino on bench !

    We won every game after Everton, Fabinho an ever-present. Once he got in side and found his feet we've not lost a game in League.


  • #4856
    noodler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,383 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Fabinho didn't play in a lot of the games in first half of season that we dropped points in.

    Chelsea 1-1 Away. Didn't start
    City 0-0 Home. Didn't start
    Arsenal 1-1 Away , started
    City 2-1 Away , Didn't start
    Leicester 1-1 Home , Didn't start
    West Ham 1-1 Home, Started
    United 0-0 Away , Started
    Everton 0-0 Away, Started . So did Origi, Firmino on bench !

    We won every game after Everton, Fabinho an ever-present. Once he got in side and found his feet we've not lost a game in League.

    Well we've only lost one! Fabinho or no.


  • #4857
    Osmosis Jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,806 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Fab's our best midfielder, there's not a defensive mid in the world I'd take ahead of him except for maybe Kante.


  • #4858
    The White Wolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    If we still had Can instead of Keita I couldn't say I'd be disappointed. Can played his part for us, bossed games at times and we knew what we had in him. People giving him stick when he left the club as amicably as anyone can in this day and age is bizarre.


  • #4859
    ERG89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    The White Wolf wrote: »
    If we still had Can instead of Keita I couldn't say I'd be disappointed. Can played his part for us, bossed games at times and we knew what we had in him.

    Bossed some games but was anonymous for just as many.
    He was being linked to Bayern & Barca in recent weeks but I couldn't see him doing anything at either club that he isn't already doing at Juve; which consists mainly of sitting down watching & picking up a medal for doing very little.


  • #4860
    shamrock55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,296 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    B_ecke_r wrote: »
    it be nice to win it but I'd much rather win the league cup if given the option.

    That's hilarious


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  • #4861
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,572 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Osmosis Jones wrote: »
    Fab's our best midfielder, there's not a defensive mid in the world I'd take ahead of him except for maybe Kante.


    Kante's a short ass though, Fabinho can play centre back, and has inspector gadget legs for those what seem impossible interceptions.

    Fab wins for me.


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