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Zubeneschamali · 04-09-2019 11:41AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Very drunk. The mirror went from he had a glass of wine in his hand to you saying very drunk.

No, these were two independent reports. One that Cummings was wandering the halls with a glass of wine looking for a particular newspaper's office, and a different one saying he jumped out at Corbyn, drunk, daring him to an immediate election:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1169016352893480962

Water John · 04-09-2019 12:03PM

TMK a court appeal date has been set aside already. This will coalesce the different cases being taken into one.

BTW Johnson advised the Queen based on him, as PM having the support of Parliament. Yesterday proved he did not enjoy that support. Thus he misled the Queen.

prawnsambo · 04-09-2019 12:07PM

Water John wrote: »

TMK a court appeal date has been set aside already. This will coalesce the different cases being taken into one.

BTW Johnson advised the Queen based on him, as PM having the support of Parliament. Yesterday proved he did not enjoy that support. Thus he misled the Queen.

To be fair, he couldn't know about that in advance since parliament was not sitting. He hadn't even issued his threat to backbenchers at that stage. I'd give him a pass on that.

Zubeneschamali · 04-09-2019 12:11PM

Water John wrote: »

BTW Johnson advised the Queen based on him, as PM having the support of Parliament. Yesterday proved he did not enjoy that support. Thus he misled the Queen.

There is also proof that he did not prorogue in order to start a new session in the ordinary way and was in fact just trying to stop Parliament blocking No Deal, so he misled her there too. Rees-Mogg, the Chief Whip and the Leader in the Lords all helped.

Christy42 · 04-09-2019 12:11PM

prawnsambo wrote: »

To be fair, he couldn't know about that in advance since parliament was not sitting. He hadn't even issued his threat to backbenchers at that stage. I'd give him a pass on that.

Everyone knew, that is why he issued the threats to bring them back in line. Surely the onus should be in him to be sure anyway?

ToBeFrank123 · 04-09-2019 12:16PM

I think Hilary Benn would make a great leader and Prime Minister and would be Labour's only hope of appealing to the middle ground.

He'd also make a good leader of a government of national unity, which I think might be an option to be seriously considered for the UK now.

Johnson and Corbyn are too divisive and cannot command enough support to achieve anything.

Seth Brundle · 04-09-2019 12:18PM

Guy Verhofstadt's view...
https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1169193460752142338

ToBeFrank123 · 04-09-2019 12:19PM

Winston Churchill would despise Johnson, that's for sure.

trellheim · 04-09-2019 12:20PM

With regard to Cummings and whether intoxicated or not.

If it had been any other Spad it would have been out the door in 30 seconds without feet touching the floor. Much as he himself did with Sonia Khan during last week for a far lesser thing. I am awaiting this as an interesting line of attack from the remaining moderates in the party

darem93 · 04-09-2019 12:22PM

Very very poor performance from Boris in his first PMQ's. He really is appalling when it comes to any form of scrutiny.

MarinersBlues · 04-09-2019 12:22PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Guy Verhofstadt's view...
https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1169193460752142338

I love reading Verhofstadt's stuff and the Storyville documentary was class.
However I do not think he is helping at the moment.

MadYaker · 04-09-2019 12:23PM

What’s the point of prime ministers questions if the prime minister can just ignore all the questions and ramble on about whatever pops into his head?

quokula · 04-09-2019 12:28PM

MarinersBlues wrote: »

I love reading Verhofstadt's stuff and the Storyville documentary was class.
However I do not think he is helping at the moment.

Also it's a bit over the top to treat Soames and the other rebels as some kind of heroes - they were complicit in the years of undercutting of public services and migrant blaming that led to the Brexit vote, they mostly sat on their hands while May drew the extreme red lines at the beginning of the negotiations which have now become the baseline, and they're only now finally saying enough is enough at the last moment.

trellheim · 04-09-2019 12:28PM

Sorry. If this was posted on this forum someone would report it for trolling been giggling last few mins

EU official says that if the UK agrees to contribute to the bloc's 2020 budget British companies will be able to apply to and receive financial No Deal support from Brussels.

https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1169204876120875008

FrancieBrady · 04-09-2019 12:28PM

MarinersBlues wrote: »

I love reading Verhofstadt's stuff and the Storyville documentary was class.
However I do not think he is helping at the moment.

I think the fact he feels free enough to make such comment is just further indication (if it was needed) that in the EU's eyes the negotiations are over.

interlocked · 04-09-2019 12:31PM

From the Guardian live

Johnson says Corbyn will not submit his “surrender bill” to the verdict of the people. He is frit, frightened. He says he thinks the friends of the UK are in Paris and Berlin and in Washington. Corbyn thinks they are in Moscow and Tehran and Caracas. “Corbyn is Caracas”, he says. And Corbyn is calling for a general strike. A shadow minister said Corbyn’s economic policy was “**** or bust”. But it is both, says Johnso

Toe curlingly embarrassing stuff, junior common room level of debate, if I was a Tory backbencher, I'd be sliding under the bench in front of me.

Enzokk · 04-09-2019 12:31PM

darem93 wrote: »

Very very poor performance from Boris in his first PMQ's. He really is appalling when it comes to any form of scrutiny.

He may be good at bluster and not answering questions, but like you say under scrutiny he is all over the place.

I think the same will be true of Cummings, what does he know of government and actually being in charge and creating policies that will work? The answer will probably determine how long he still has an office in Downing Street.

CelticRambler · 04-09-2019 12:37PM

interlocked wrote: »

if I was a Tory backbencher, I'd be sliding under the bench in front of me.

Ah-ha! So that's what JRM was trying to do last night, only he didn't have a bench in front of him?

lawred2 · 04-09-2019 12:39PM

Shelga wrote: »

The Caracas line was truly pathetic, cringeworthy stuff.

Is this the kind of rubbish that they chortle away to smugly at Eton?

In any normal school, it would get them beaten up. Boris exists in a world that is light years away from any normal Brit.

In any normal school - this type of stuff isn't a topic of discussion

briany · 04-09-2019 12:40PM

Enzokk wrote: »

He may be good at bluster and not answering questions, but like you say under scrutiny he is all over the place.

I think the same will be true of Cummings, what does he know of government and actually being in charge and creating policies that will work? The answer will probably determine how long he still has an office in Downing Street.

It should matter that Boris often falters under scrutiny, but it doesn't matter much to his supporters. Very much the same phenomenon as Trump in that regard. What gets his supporters' goat is that he's being stifled by the small, insignificant matter of democratic procedure.

I don't think Boris is a complete clown - you have to have some nous to get to the top of the Conservative snake pit - but he's certainly not a man of detail, and for his supporters, he really doesn't need to be...

Water John · 04-09-2019 12:45PM

But we were told, and that's why the Tories elected him, that he would destroy Corbyn at PMQ and during a GE.
Will he and Cummings even last, one Scarrmucci?
To lose your first vote in Parliament, you have lost all credibility.

Enzokk · 04-09-2019 12:46PM

briany wrote: »

It should matter that Boris often falters under scrutiny, but it doesn't matter much to his supporters. Very much the same phenomenon as Trump in that regard. What gets his supporters' goat is that he's being stifled by the small, insignificant matter of democratic procedure.

I don't think Boris is a complete clown - you have to have some nous to get to the top of the Conservative snake pit - but he's certainly not a man of detail, and for his supporters, he really doesn't need to be...

Sure, but standing up to this type of scrutiny was supposed to be one of his strengths and it seems like the emperor has no clothes. I would not discount the appearance of looking statesmanlike playing a role for voters. I think that is one reason why Ed Miliband struggled. He just didn't look like David Cameron and this played against him. Publish a few bad photos that everyone has and you can influence voters.

Water John · 04-09-2019 12:48PM

The pic last night of Boris grabbing his hair, comes to mind.

MadYaker · 04-09-2019 01:07PM

I dearly hope labour and the lib dems force bojo to go cap in hand to the EU to look for another extension.

BonnieSituation · 04-09-2019 01:13PM

Water John wrote: »

The pic last night of Boris grabbing his hair, comes to mind.

I missed that. Link?

Strazdas · 04-09-2019 01:34PM

Enzokk wrote: »

He may be good at bluster and not answering questions, but like you say under scrutiny he is all over the place.

I think the same will be true of Cummings, what does he know of government and actually being in charge and creating policies that will work? The answer will probably determine how long he still has an office in Downing Street.

Cummings is a charlatan. It shows you how messed up British politics is that such a total chancer could have been regarded as a "political genius" : the guy has been a walking car crash since he entered Downing Street, making blunders all over the place and rubbing people up the wrong way.

prawnsambo · 04-09-2019 01:35PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Everyone knew, that is why he issued the threats to bring them back in line. Surely the onus should be in him to be sure anyway?

And how do you measure that? The PM must assume the support of their party and partners until proven otherwise. And the only way to prove otherwise is to have continuous votes of confidence. Technically that's possible, except when parliament is not sitting. But it's a very clunky way of going about business and would make them look weak. I appreciate that he IS weak, but that's by the by.

briany · 04-09-2019 01:46PM

Electoralcalculus.com is predicting, based on current opinion polling, that the Cons would win a majority of 50 seats. Seems a bit steep, considering their current performance, but what would their course of action be if a GE did return a simple majority for the Cons? They still have the ERG hardcore, meaning that a tweaked May deal would probably not get across the line. Game over, in that case?

robinph · 04-09-2019 01:47PM

Just noticed in one of the still photos on the BBC feed of what is happening that Ken Clarke is still sat on the government benches next to Theresa May. They have obviously not felt confident enough to remove him to the other side just yet.

54and56 · 04-09-2019 01:49PM

Cracker from John McDonnell responding to Javid's spending statement.

BoJo was heckling him (which of course he had anticipated) and right on queue he turns to Speaker Bercow stating that he believes the member opposite (BoJo) is shouting at him and that like the last time the member was shouting at someone he may have to call the police

Boom!!

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