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cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:03AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

They've had three years. You'll need to forgive people's skepticism here. This was Johnson's opening day and it started with failure. And no, it wasn't some kind of 4d chess move or a "blinder" as one of the more satirical posters described it.

He made his move last week to instigate this and it was well predicted Stop looking for child like victories that are not there.

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:08AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Think there is a lot of truth in this. They are collectively experiencing a crisis of conscious. At least those remaining of the 17.4M are.

Unsurprising, a good portion of the population grew up on tales of British superiority, can understand (but not agree) why they have a problem with the EU for this reason even though it is regressive to have decided to deal with it in this way.

It's quite the opposite. We live in the age were the most vocal are the social media savvy but they are maybe the most pathetically weak examples of people in mankind's history. They dis all things from the past with cries of "we just can't do it anymore" and demand to be looked after by the breast of mother EU.

These people are doomed to fail. Brexit was the first glimmer of light that some have the strength and will gamble the turbulence of the early days to seek the glory.

Poland, Hungary and maybe even italy to follow. Mummy isn't gonna save you from the big bad world, you need to go out there, be bold and make it.

Imreoir2 · 04-09-2019 01:08AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

He made his move last week to instigate this and it was well predicted Stop looking for child like victories that are not there.

So he can plan a week in advance, astounding stuff, really. At best he is engaged in a high risk strategy that puts the integrity of the UK at risk if successful.

ballsymchugh · 04-09-2019 01:09AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Remain Parliament. The public now know. The GE will be clear.

depends if those leave areas return leave MPs

the bye election in Brecon didn't. don't see how you can be so sure. a well formed and targeted alliance can take seats where no one is paying attention, and those labour seats like Canterbury could be saved with good planning.

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:12AM

ballsymchugh wrote: »

depends if those leave areas return leave MPs

the bye election in Brecon didn't. don't see how you can be so sure. a well formed and targeted alliance can take seats where no one is paying attention, and those labour seats like Canterbury could be saved with good planning.

Byelection worked perfect. It showed the tories that the brexit party hurts them but with a pact they walk it.

Imreoir2 · 04-09-2019 01:13AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It's quite the opposite. We live in the age were the most vocal are the social media savvy but they are maybe the most pathetically weak examples of people in mankind's history. They dis all things from the past with cries of "we just can't do it anymore" and demand to be looked after by the breast of mother EU.

These people are doomed to fail. Brexit was the first glimmer of light that some have the strength and will gamble the turbulence of the early days to seek the glory.

Poland, Hungary and maybe even italy to follow. Mummy isn't gonna save you from the big bad world, you need to go out there, be bold and make it.

God, you sound so much like an ignorent student. Italy is next? Any day now, never mnd that it is three years on and still nothing. This exact sentiment could have been expressed in 2016 and back thern might even have been forgivable, but now? After three years of the UK being humilated because of Brexit, its patethic delusion.

mcmoustache · 04-09-2019 01:14AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

He made his move last week to instigate this and it was well predicted Stop looking for child like victories that are not there.

I'm not looking for victories. The no-deal brexit looks quite probable and today's drama is nothing really new to members of this forum.

Johnson's plan, as I'm sure you know is that an election is called. That hasn't happened yet. I don't understand Corbyn but it would appear to be his move now; this vote doesn't trigger a GE - that still needs labour unless I'm mistaken.

Corbyn could be dumb enough to go for it but Johnson has been weakened massively today. Everyone knows what he's up to because everyone's leaking and they're leaking because this is even more of a clown show that when May was in charge.

A government losing its majority and losing a major vote is a failure in the eyes of most and not some high-dimensional chess.

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:18AM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

God, you sound so much like an ignorent student. Italy is next? Any day now, never mnd that it is three years on and still nothing. This exact sentiment could have been expressed in 2016 and back thern might even have been forgivable, but now? After three years of the UK being humilated because of Brexit, its patethic delusion.

Humilated? and you just think the UK will throw in the towel, remain or sign up to a deal where it has no say and takes orders from Brussels forever.

You need to stop and think for a second, seriously?

How you you see this ending with the anger in the country and the resentment towards the EU?

Don't buy the noise of the remainiacs as they may be #FBPE on Twitter but in reality these real life whimps will cow down once they get smashed in the polls.

Expect lots of tears on news segments on the BBC.

At least I am a realist.

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:20AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

I'm not looking for victories. The no-deal brexit looks quite probable and today's drama is nothing really new to members of this forum.

Johnson's plan, as I'm sure you know is that an election is called. That hasn't happened yet. I don't understand Corbyn but it would appear to be his move now; this vote doesn't trigger a GE - that still needs labour unless I'm mistaken.

Corbyn could be dumb enough to go for it but Johnson has been weakened massively today. Everyone knows what he's up to because everyone's leaking and they're leaking because this is even more of a clown show that when May was in charge.

A government losing its majority and losing a major vote is a failure in the eyes of most and not some high-dimensional chess.

The bill is to extend for 3 months. That is all they got. The need to face an election some time and you know how it ends then.

joeysoap · 04-09-2019 01:23AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

Well it's an expression of a chance of something. 10/1 is ten to one odds. One chance in ten of it happening. 11/5 is five chances in eleven or close enough to 1 chance in 2.

Paddy Power and BoyleSports can sleep easy

Imreoir2 · 04-09-2019 01:28AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Humilated?

Yes.

and you just think the UK will throw in the towel, remain or sign up to a deal where it has no say and takes orders from Brussels forever.

The UK is in a terribly weak position, it needs a deal and no amount of Brexiter hot air will change that one jot. Given the chaos in the UK right now, no-deal Brexit may well happen, but that will go very badly for the UK and the longer the UK holds out the weaker its position becomes.

You need to stop and think for a second, seriously?

Yes, seriously.

How you you see this ending with the anger in the country and the resentment towards the EU?

Are you foolish enough to think the EU will care about resentment in the UK? The reality is that the UK needs a deal from the EU and the deal on offer from the EU will only get worse as time goes on, especially after a no deal becasue the UK will be negiotiating from a position of extreme weakness.

Don't buy the noise of the remainiacs as they may be #FBPE on Twitter but in reality these real life whimps will cow down once they get smashed in the polls.

Expect lots of tears on news segments on the BBC.

This is just jouvinile posturing.

At least I am a realist.

Of course you are pet.

mcmoustache · 04-09-2019 01:29AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The bill is to extend for 3 months. That is all they got. The need to face an election some time and you know how it ends then.

I'd like to say that I know how it ends, but I've been watching the last 3 years. I don't know how it will end and neither does anyone. Initially, I thought that the Brits could figure something out and be out of the EU with some kind of Norway or Switzerland deal.

Instead, it's three years later and the Brits still haven't figured out what they want nor do they seem to even know how to get whatever it is that they might want.

ballsymchugh · 04-09-2019 01:30AM

cryptocurrency wrote:

Byelection worked perfect. It showed the tories that the brexit party hurts them but with a pact they walk it.

There won't be a pact. Cummings hates farage and won't let him have it.

theguzman · 04-09-2019 01:31AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Humilated? and you just think the UK will throw in the towel, remain or sign up to a deal where it has no say and takes orders from Brussels forever.

You need to stop and think for a second, seriously?

How you you see this ending with the anger in the country and the resentment towards the EU?

Don't buy the noise of the remainiacs as they may be #FBPE on Twitter but in reality these real life whimps will cow down once they get smashed in the polls.

Expect lots of tears on news segments on the BBC.

At least I am a realist.

The ordinary brit would have no time for the Parliamentarians who they see as now blocking the will of the people. Boris and Farage will drink a few pints of Ale together on the campaign trail, and tell the people you can choose these liberals or us. Jeremy Corbyn will propose something so outrageous that the Northern Labour working class will vote Tory and Brexit instead of Labour who are more concerned with virtue signalling and ignoring the referendum result than day to day stuff. Add in jingoism, patriotism, casual racism and the Tories will likely increase their vote. Hard Brexit here we come I think. Jacob Rees Mogg is actually very entertaining and witty and he add character. Expect another Trumpian victory here.

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:31AM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Yes.

The UK is in a terribly weak position, it needs a deal and no amount of Brexiter hot air will change that one jot. Given the chaos in the UK right now, no-deal Brexit may well happen, but that will go very badly for the UK and the longer the UK holds out the weaker its position becomes.

Yes, seriously.

Are you foolish enough to think the EU will care about resentment in the UK? The reality is that the UK needs a deal from the EU and the deal on offer from the EU will only get worse as time goes on, especially after a no deal becasue the UK will be negiotiating from a position of extreme weakness.

This is just jouvinile posturing.

Of course you are pet.

No nation can just go back from this position to the EU, none. Most brits would never accept that. You really think this just ends with once side humiliated.

I could see the UK public voting for someone to turn it to defcon 9 before they would suck it up and fold now. EU will bottle it.

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:32AM

theguzman wrote: »

The ordinary brit would have no time for the Parliamentarians who they see as now blocking the will of the people. Boris and Farage will drink a few pints of Ale together on the campaign trail, and tell the people you can choose these liberals or us. Jeremy Corbyn will propose something so outrageous that the Northern Labour working class will vote Tory and Brexit instead of Labour who are more concerned with virtue signalling and ignoring the referendum result than day to day stuff. Add in jingoism, patriotism, casual racism and the Tories will likely increase their vote. Hard Brexit here we come I think. Jacob Rees Mogg is actually very entertaining and witty and he add character. Expect another Trumpian victory here.

Finally someone who sees it

Imreoir2 · 04-09-2019 01:35AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

No nation can just go back from this position to the EU, none. Most brits would never accept that. You really think this just ends with once side humiliated.

I could see the UK public voting for someone to turn it to defcon 9 before they would suck it up and fold now. EU will bottle it.

The UK has already been humilated, and it only gets worse from here. You might think that the whole UK is dyed in the wool brexiteers, but they are not. Brexit only ever had a slim majority and once Brexit starts hitting peoples pockts hard then few people will like to be reminded that they once supported Brexit.

theguzman · 04-09-2019 01:37AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

No nation can just go back from this position to the EU, none. Most brits would never accept that. You really think this just ends with once side humiliated.

I could see the UK public voting for someone to turn it to defcon 9 before they would suck it up and fold now. EU will bottle it.

Agreed and their solution, throw Ireland under the bus wait and see. Murmurings of no support to come from Europe already. They will accept us as the collateral damage for whatever deal they strike with boris. I expect the RoI to be excluded from the customs union. Easier to put checks in French ports coming to and from Ireland than even bothering with the NI Border which is quiet frankly like something from the Wild West and impossible to police and secure.

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:38AM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

The UK has already been humilated, and it only gets worse from here. You might think that the whole UK is dyed in the wool brexiteers, but they are not. Brexit only ever had a slim majority and once Brexit starts hitting peoples pockts hard then few people will like to be reminded that they once supported Brexit.

Brexit was always gonna happen and will only gain support. The remainers are loud but are normally low testosterone types who can't survive the winter without manflu.

May and Robins have been humilated and that is what will cause the blow back. EU got ahead of itself.

Get some popcorn.

04-09-2019 01:42AM

7.42am. I'll just check the Brexit thread. 70 new pages. "Oh no."

Can someone fill me in.?

theguzman · 04-09-2019 01:46AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Brexit was always gonna happen and will only gain support. The remainers are loud but are normally low testosterone types who can't survive the winter without manflu.

May and Robins have been humilated and that is what will cause the blow back. EU got ahead of itself.

Get some popcorn.

And I'm out, surely we can have debate without such pettiness; next thing you will be telling us it is some NWO conspiracy.

Tippex · 04-09-2019 01:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

7.42am. I'll just check the Brexit thread. 70 new pages. "Oh no."

Can someone fill me in.?

Groundhog day

Imreoir2 · 04-09-2019 01:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

7.42am. oh I'll just check the Brexit thread. 70 new pages. "Oh no."

Can someone fill me in.?

Johnsons majority went from +1 to -43, he has lost control of the order paper tomorrow when MPs intend to vote for a law forcing him to accept an extension. Johnson has pledged to seek a GE if they go through with it. Brexiteers have convinced themselves that this is all good.

04-09-2019 01:48AM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Johnsons majority went from +1 to -43, he has lost control of the order paper tomorrow when MPs intend to vote for a law forcing him to accept an extension. Johnson has pledged to seek a GE if they go through with it. Brexiteers have convinced themselves that this is all good.

Class.

I had beers for my birthday but following that nonsense would have been probably been more fun.

cryptocurrency · 04-09-2019 01:48AM

theguzman wrote: »

And I'm out, surely we can have debate without such pettiness; next thing you will be telling us it is some NWO conspiracy.

I don't buy the NWO things but i do have strong views on the hysteria of remain voters and their doomsday stories.

Go check the #FBPE army on Twitter and tell me what clear pattern you seen emerging.

AngryHippie · 04-09-2019 01:49AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Poland, Hungary and maybe even italy to follow. Mummy isn't gonna save you from the big bad world, you need to go out there, be bold and make it.

Jesus H Monkeyballs.

you think rabid nationalism is going to put humpty dumpty back together again ?

This trajectory leads to one thing and one thing only.
It will be the third one, it may take ten years for Food shortages and Water shortages to bring anarchy to the prime movers, but nationalism will bring us to world war three and the end of humanity as we know it.

I'm not putting this out there for an "I told you so".
The numbers are as obvious as bulldog balls.
Population growth, climatic extremes, poverty, civil unrest, rebellions and revolutions, Superpower proxy wars for remaining resources then endgame.

Naggdefy · 04-09-2019 02:27AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The remainers are loud but are normally low testosterone types who can't survive the winter without manflu

Right. Getting the flu during the winter knocks someone out of your souped up testosterone superior group. If you say that about people with the flu I can only imagine your attitude to those with mental health problems. Churchill wouldn't even make the cut. Your tending towards extreme facism.

By the way Johnson, Rees Mogg etc are all fops. Not much testosterone on display from the Brexiteer MPs.

Peregrinus · 04-09-2019 04:12AM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I don't buy the NWO things but i do have strong views on the hysteria of remain voters and their doomsday stories.

Go check the #FBPE army on Twitter and tell me what clear pattern you seen emerging.

You have this the wrong way around. It's the Brexiters who are bigging up the negative consequences of a no-deal Brexit, crypto. Apparantly no-deal Brexit will be so awful, so ghastly, that if the EU believes for a instant that the UK would actually go through with it, they will immediately cave, abandon their principles and interests and give the UK whatever its little heart desires in order to avert this awful calamity. Johnson's entire strategy rests on the argument that everyone can see that no-deal Brexit will be too horrible to contemplate, and then using this horror to extort the EU to give the UK the deal to which destiny, Britishness and the unicorns so richly entitle it.

You need to stop undermining Johnson and handing control to the EU, you traitor you. Just believe!

mickoneill31 · 04-09-2019 04:32AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

7.42am. I'll just check the Brexit thread. 70 new pages. "Oh no."

Can someone fill me in.?

Was going to post that. Why doesn't Brexit have its own forum rather than this mega thread?

At least that way we could have a dedicated thread for the brigade that keep telling us the EU are going to bottle it or throw us under the bus at the 11th hour (while forgetting that was in March 29th)

ILoveYourVibes · 04-09-2019 04:40AM

So do we think Boris Johnson will be able to call an election?

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