All-Ireland SFC Final 2019.- Dublin V Kerry - Read Mod Note in Post #1

Bonniedog · 03-09-2019 09:55PM

In that game, he took all the puck outs, all the frees and generally roamed the field like a young bull!

Then at end when we beat them in an heroic Eddie Barron campaign (for which we never 14 years later got a winner's trophy or medal -( They turned on the ref who had to take to his bicycle still in his gear and leg it down to the road to cries of "Go back to Raheny ye count."

aodomhnaill · 03-09-2019 10:05PM

I think the best move the GAA could make would be to make the referees professional. This would not in any way discredit amateur status/ compromise the integrity of the game. There's about 5 so called decent refs and they've nearly reached celebrity status at this stage with everyone knowing their background etc. who the f*ck knew or cared who or where the ref came 30 years ago, its a joke now with the talk who the ref is...so you've the end the result of some ref like gough becoming centre of attention, ask anyone who the name of the ref was now and they'll know it before they can name 10 starting players. make referees professional and you'll get the best people to make the best judgements and also dish out praise or criticism at their performances. what kind of a mad man would choose to be one voluntarily...needs professionals.

Edgware · 03-09-2019 10:09PM

aodomhnaill wrote: »

I think the best move the GAA could make would be to make the referees professional. This would not in any way discredit amateur status/ compromise the integrity of the game. There's about 5 so called decent refs and they've nearly reached celebrity status at this stage with everyone knowing their background etc. who the f*ck knew or cared who or where the ref came 30 years ago, its a joke now with the talk who the ref is...so you've the end the result of some ref like gough becoming centre of attention, ask anyone who the name of the ref was now and they'll know it before they can name 10 starting players. make referees professional and you'll get the best people to make the best judgements and also dish out praise or criticism at their performances. what kind of a mad man would choose to be one voluntarily...needs professionals.

No way. Professional referees have great history of ****ing up in other sports

aodomhnaill · 03-09-2019 10:10PM

Edgware wrote: »

No way. Professional referees have great history of ****ing up in other sports

explain...bit vague there.

Edgware · 03-09-2019 10:23PM

aodomhnaill wrote: »

explain...bit vague there.

Check it out yourself I've more to be doing.

aodomhnaill · 03-09-2019 10:33PM

Edgware wrote: »

Check it out yourself I've more to be doing.

ok, ive checked it out. apparently professional referees perform to a far higher standard than amateurs. anything to add?

Edgware · 03-09-2019 10:41PM

aodomhnaill wrote: »

ok, ive checked it out. apparently professional referees perform to a far higher standard than amateurs. anything to add?

Higher standard but still **** up
Its only an amateur sport. After Saturday week it wont be heard of again until the Spring.
Are you prepared to pay extra for your tickets to subsidise these " elite" referees?

keane2097 · 03-09-2019 10:59PM

You could argue the level of professional and amateur analysis has more improvement to make than the level of refereeing.

JustJoe7240 · 04-09-2019 12:04AM

Edgware wrote: »

No way. Professional referees have great history of ****ing up in other sports

Edgware wrote: »

Check it out yourself I've more to be doing.

Makes a sensationalistic statement,

Has "more to be doing" when asked to back up sensationalist statement!

Ok

gormdubhgorm · 04-09-2019 12:58AM

aodomhnaill wrote: »

I think the best move the GAA could make would be to make the referees professional. This would not in any way discredit amateur status/ compromise the integrity of the game. There's about 5 so called decent refs and they've nearly reached celebrity status at this stage with everyone knowing their background etc. who the f*ck knew or cared who or where the ref came 30 years ago, its a joke now with the talk who the ref is...so you've the end the result of some ref like gough becoming centre of attention, ask anyone who the name of the ref was now and they'll know it before they can name 10 starting players. make referees professional and you'll get the best people to make the best judgements and also dish out praise or criticism at their performances. what kind of a mad man would choose to be one voluntarily...needs professionals.

It is a good idea in theory, but once you introduce money and refs - it opens the door for corruption in the game.

04-09-2019 02:06AM

Have to disagree with the other Dubs here, I thought the ref did okay. There were probably more questionable decisions that went against Dublin but the vast majority of the ones which didn't were way more important / in crucial areas of the pitch.

Cooper is an eejit for getting sent off. Nobody to blame but himself. Second yellow for the Kerry lad would have been harsh. Haven't seen a replay of Connolly fouling Lyne but at the time I thought the "no foul, Dublin line ball" call was correct.

Bottom line: Dublin played as badly as I've seen in maybe 4 years. Decision making, shot selection, marking, tracking runners..... All well below par. Kerry team didn't exactly light the place up but, relatively speaking, an above average performance. I was chuffed we managed a draw, relief was pouring off me. Genuinely can't see a repeat of that poor showing n the replay.

liosnagceann75 · 04-09-2019 10:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have to disagree with the other Dubs here, I thought the ref did okay. There were probably more questionable decisions that went against Dublin but the vast majority of the ones which did were way more important / in crucial areas of the pitch.

Cooper is an eejit for getting sent off. Nobody to blame but himself. Second yellow for the Kerry lad would have been harsh. Haven't seen a replay of Connolly fouling Lyne but at the time I thought the "no foul, Dublin line ball" call was correct.

Bottom line: Dublin played as badly as I've seen in maybe 4 years. Decision making, shot selection, marking, tracking runners..... All well below par. Kerry team didn't exactly light the place up but, relatively speaking, an above average performance. I was chuffed we managed a draw, relief was pouring off me. Genuinely can't see a repeat of that poor showing n the replay.

Thank you for your very balanced post. Very fair assessment of the match.

Nice article on David Gough on Joe.ie. Sorry I'm unable to post the link.

Fr Tod Umptious · 04-09-2019 11:27AM

Timmy Moynihan on Terrace Talk on Radio Kerry claimed that it was a "moment of genius" by Eamon Fitzmaurice to highlight questions about Gough's performance in previous games.

So he is suggesting that Gough would have probably not sent Cooper off if Fitzmaurice had not said what he said.

I found it hilarious.

The_Honeybadger · 04-09-2019 11:35AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Timmy Moynihan on Terrace Talk on Radio Kerry claimed that it was a "moment of genius" by Eamon Fitzmaurice to highlight questions about Gough's performance in previous games.

So he is suggesting that Gough would have probably not sent Cooper off if Fitzmaurice had not said what he said.

I found it hilarious.

Moynihan is a bit of an eejit and Terrace Talk is atrocious at this stage I don’t know why you’d be listening to it.
They really need to shake it up and bring in recently retired players like Donaghy and Aidan to give better analysis. Perhaps the guys they have on appeal to a certain type of listener but I don’t bother with it any more.

On the ref all Kerry wanted was a fair shake. There have been a few times in the past where we have gone up to face Dublin in big games and we haven’t gotten that imo.

Bonniedog · 04-09-2019 11:36AM

Well, if that's his idea of genius then so be it!

Mayo supporters were engaged in similar gloating after Horan made an issue of "Dublin Joe" on similar grounds in 2012.

Only difference being, Mayo won.

I shall leave it at that :-)

liosnagceann75 · 04-09-2019 11:37AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Timmy Moynihan on Terrace Talk on Radio Kerry claimed that it was a "moment of genius" by Eamon Fitzmaurice to highlight questions about Gough's performance in previous games.

So he is suggesting that Gough would have probably not sent Cooper off if Fitzmaurice had not said what he said.

I found it hilarious.

Fitzmaurice had his chance and would be better off keeping his mouth shut. Great to see Tommy Walsh, Jack Sherwood and Jonathan Lyne contributing after being deemed surplus to requirements by Fitzmaurice.

Forge83 · 04-09-2019 11:40AM

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Fitzmaurice had his chance and would be better off keeping his mouth shut. Great to see Tommy Walsh, Jack Sherwood and Jonathan Lyne contributing after being deemed surplus to requirements by Fitzmaurice.

Jonathan Lyne doesn’t contribute much. Would be surprised if he is brought on in the replay. Shane Enright should have been brought on to steady the ship in the last ten minutes.

liosnagceann75 · 04-09-2019 11:57AM

Forge83 wrote: »

Jonathan Lyne doesn’t contribute much. Would be surprised if he is brought on in the replay. Shane Enright should have been brought on to steady the ship in the last ten minutes.

I agree with you. I'd bring on Enright ahead of Lyne. The point I was making is that Fitzmaurice had his chance and should not be interfering or commenting on referees, players, tactics etc. There was an article in the Kerryman a few weeks ago expressing the same sentiment

D'Agger · 04-09-2019 11:59AM

Forge83 wrote: »

Jonathan Lyne doesn’t contribute much. Would be surprised if he is brought on in the replay. Shane Enright should have been brought on to steady the ship in the last ten minutes.

Agreed - Lyne coughed up posession looking for a free, I don't know what his club form has been like of late but he must be doing something in training that PK put him in ahead of Shane

Poor_old_gill · 04-09-2019 12:04PM

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Fitzmaurice had his chance and would be better off keeping his mouth shut. Great to see Tommy Walsh, Jack Sherwood and Jonathan Lyne contributing after being deemed surplus to requirements by Fitzmaurice.

I've almost forgotten what it feels like for every team to create 7/8 goal chances by just putting their head down and running in a straight line through our defence.

I know McCaffrey got a goal the last day but that will be my permanent memory of Fitzmaurice - every team from Waterford to Tipp to Tyrone would find themselves 1 on 1 with the keeper by just running in a straight line - ludicrous defensive set up

Fr Tod Umptious · 04-09-2019 12:07PM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Moynihan is a bit of an eejit and Terrace Talk is atrocious at this stage I don’t know why you’d be listening to it.
They really need to shake it up and bring in recently retired players like Donaghy and Aidan to give better analysis. Perhaps the guys they have on appeal to a certain type of listener but I don’t bother with it any more.

On the ref all Kerry wanted was a fair shake. There have been a few times in the past where we have gone up to face Dublin in big games and we haven’t gotten that imo.

Because it's great entertainment, like the bit from Moynihan I just posted about.

The_Honeybadger · 04-09-2019 12:12PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Because it's great entertainment, like the bit from Moynihan I just posted about.

Fair enough. I wouldn’t be taking the analysis too seriously though, or take what they say as the wider Kerry view.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 04-09-2019 12:21PM

D'Agger wrote: »

Agreed - Lyne coughed up posession looking for a free, I don't know what his club form has been like of late but he must be doing something in training that PK put him in ahead of Shane

It was a free tho

Crash Bang Wall · 04-09-2019 12:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Have to disagree with the other Dubs here, I thought the ref did okay. There were probably more questionable decisions that went against Dublin but the vast majority of the ones which didn't were way more important / in crucial areas of the pitch.

Cooper is an eejit for getting sent off. Nobody to blame but himself. Second yellow for the Kerry lad would have been harsh. Haven't seen a replay of Connolly fouling Lyne but at the time I thought the "no foul, Dublin line ball" call was correct.

Bottom line: Dublin played as badly as I've seen in maybe 4 years. Decision making, shot selection, marking, tracking runners..... All well below par. Kerry team didn't exactly light the place up but, relatively speaking, an above average performance. I was chuffed we managed a draw, relief was pouring off me. Genuinely can't see a repeat of that poor showing n the replay.

I actually dont think the ref done all that well to be honest. The pen should have been retaken, O Sullivan got a yellow for a tackle that Cooper only got a tick for.....I though both of Smalls (tick and yellow) were both yellows. O Brien in the second half was denied a stone wall 21 yard free straight in front of the hill, while in the first half, he gives a free, when Con was surrounded but not fouled. Add to that O Sullivans tick was actually a yellow card offence for me.

Also, the turnovers at the end, there was at least 2 fouls in there that he missed....thats not the issue for me, as I wouldnt expect Gough to give those, but based on the frees he was giving earlier, a) he should have given them, and b) as a ref you have to be consistent.....and I felt he wasnt

harpsman · 04-09-2019 12:35PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I remember there was rumours that Paidi could pick him for the footballers.
Vinnie said it was never going to happen.
My auld fella taught in Vinnie's former secondary school, and said as a young lad Vinnie was a way better hurler than footballer.

Is there any Dublin footballer who isn't a better hurler than footballer? Imagine how many all irelands Dublin would have if they could get their best hurlers to play(hurling)

Poor_old_gill · 04-09-2019 12:39PM

harpsman wrote: »

Is there any Dublin footballer who isn't a better hurler than footballer? Imagine how many all irelands Dublin would have if they could get their best hurlers to play(hurling)

I wouldnt say Michael Darragh has the finesse to play the game but I could be wrong

ArielAtom · 04-09-2019 01:16PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I wouldnt say Michael Darragh has the finesse to play the game but I could be wrong

You're correct of course, he's a far better baller, international actually!!!!

Bonniedog · 04-09-2019 01:29PM

harpsman wrote: »

Is there any Dublin footballer who isn't a better hurler than footballer? Imagine how many all irelands Dublin would have if they could get their best hurlers to play(hurling)

There are players on the Dublin panel who have never played hurling at any sort of serious level. O'Callaghan and Connolly are the only genuine dual stars and it will be interesting to see if Connolly plays with Vincents this year as he got little game time last year.

They are both lads who would most likely excel at any team/ball sport they turned their hand to. A pretty rare phenomenon now in any county.

gormdubhgorm · 04-09-2019 01:39PM

harpsman wrote: »

Is there any Dublin footballer who isn't a better hurler than footballer? Imagine how many all irelands Dublin would have if they could get their best hurlers to play(hurling)

Yeah Costello, Killkenny, Con O'Callaghan - it is the great 'what if' of Dublin GAA.

Plus Shane Ryan/Dotsie O'Callaghan only went back to the hurlers when they were surplus to requirements for the footballers

davegilly · 04-09-2019 03:44PM

davegilly wrote: »

When Kerry played Mayo in the league final I left Croker that day depressed. Kerry were destroyed that day, men against boys and I resigned myself to another year without an All Ireland.

However a week later I popped into Paddy Power and put €100 at 6/1 that Kerry would win the All Ireland. Why? Well thinking about the league final, that Kerry team that played Mayo were essentially kids. Kids that had managed to get to the final the first year of asking. They would learn loads from the game, being bullied by Mayo would stand to them and if they improved a little more then there was a chance, small and all as it was that they would go well over the summer.

And improve they have. Every game so far this year they have improved. Kept an improving Cork at bay. Thrashed Mayo. Didn't panic against Donegal to not lose. Came from 4 down to beat Tyrone by 3. With possibly more improvement to come?

Dublin are definitely on the way down, there is no doubt about that. I know they have hammered everyone this year again but it's taken longer each game to kill off teams. There are lots of things that weren't present also previously such as, not making a league final, being beaten a few times in the league, Cork and Meath walking through their defence, Mayo turning them over at ease (first half obviously ðŸ˜) and Connolly coming back.

All of this gives Kerry a chance on Sunday of turning over Dublin. Have Kerry progressed enough and Dublin regressed enough for this to happen? Who knows. I'm going to Croker more in hope than expectation. This Dublin team are in all likelihood either one of or the best team of all time. Kerry will need the performance of a lifetime to beat them. Kerry have scope for massive improvement which makes the odds of 1/6 for Dublin ridiculous in my opinion. It's probably a 65/35 game in Dublins favour which is a small enough gap to give Kerry hope.

My one fear is that I'm wrong about Dublin on the way down and they end up hammering Kerry. We'll know by 5pm on Sunday one way or another!

Well my one fear didn't materialise anyway!! And Kerry have scope for even more improvement!!!!!

On a side note - I just presumed my bet was finished as the game ended up a draw. However a friend of mine told me that the bet was in all likelihood still valid as I picked AI Winner and not game winner. Anyway, I checked and he was right BUT what I did notice was the odds. I didn't back them at 6/1 but 4/1. In MAY. They were 5/1 for the actual match itself. There must have been some amount of money on the Dubs for PP to price up like this.

Roll on Saturday week!

All-Ireland SFC Final 2019.- Dublin V Kerry - Read Mod Note in Post #1

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