Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 10:50PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why is she saying this, she is no longer the Leader of the House, but I suppose JRM was sprawled out on the Commons benches and couldn't be bothered get up to make a statement.

Well apparently she's talking through her fundament. It's getting to the stage now whee you have to ask if it's a Tory or not to see if it's a lie.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 10:50PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169001298164932610

What is Johnson playing at? How does this help his agenda?

The only thing that makes sence at this stage is that he is trying to force an election that he thinks he can win on a hard Brexit ticket. Anything the current parliament does can easily be undone if he is returned with a majority.

batgoat · 03-09-2019 10:51PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The EU have asked for real alternatives otherwise the WA stands and on 31 October they are pretty much out.

Think general election is generally viewed as an acceptable scenario for an extension.

martingriff · 03-09-2019 10:51PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

It's not guaranteed, but after all this and if the bill tomorrow passes the optics for the EU would be atrocious if they did anything but accept.

Maybe the EU is getting sick of the from looking for an extension and after getting it going on holidays then have a leadership election and then going on holidays with no concrete proposals. So they might go nope bye or they might go well here is 2 months either have something by then or your out

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 10:52PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

am i right

clintons obama: good massive frauds clinton foundation

eu good: caveat umtor. ahhh no Germany checks on de loans not needed

ger: wat merc shud we buy gunter??
Athens: i have ate well 2day. i ate dog food.

I have not the slightes idea what you are trying to say. This is meaningless drivel.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 10:52PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

So, they are now kicked out but may be accepted back if they repent? Some hope, why rebel tonight if you don't support the motion tomorrow?

I am wary. It is Tories we are talking about.

OK tonight won the vote to proceed. But the REAL vote is tomorrow. I reckon there will be waverers. Tonights vote was just to have a vote. Honestly!

We shall see. So much fkn drama, you would really wonder how real life and necessary ordinary legislation gets a look in now with all this going on.

gmisk · 03-09-2019 10:52PM

Ok question why is Kate hoey still in labour? Is she not pretty much aligned with the DUP these days?

An Claidheamh · 03-09-2019 10:52PM

irishproduce wrote: »

My hole. This is all choreographed. The EU will let on they're reluctantly giving extension. In reality, its incredibly difficult to escape the clutches of the EU

It's incredibly easy actually.

1st) Don't own parts of other countries.

2nd) Pass negotiated deal or just leave.

3rd) Don't blame the EU for the fact your country has severe xenophobic issues/imperial nostalgia/delusions of grandeur.

4th) Don't beg for extensions

Britain, appears incapable of all four

Maybe they could ask Greenland for help?.....

martingriff · 03-09-2019 10:54PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

am i right

clintons obama: good massive frauds clinton foundation

eu good: caveat umtor. ahhh no Germany checks on de loans not needed

ger: wat merc shud we buy gunter??
Athens: i have ate well 2day. i ate dog food.

WTF is that

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:54PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

I'm aware of what they've said but I still think that after parliament finally taking some action (and an election looking fairly likely) that there is almost zero chance of them not granting an extension. It would essentially look like the EU forcing the UK out over the wishes of its parliament and that is not something they will be keen on.

I would be very surprised if they did grant one. The only possible circumstance might be a new HoC finally agreeing to the WA deal.

thecretinhop · 03-09-2019 10:55PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

I have not the slightes idea what you are trying to say. This is meaningless drivel.

check the suicide rate in Greece
combine that with German gdp till recent
good man...

awec · 03-09-2019 10:55PM

gmisk wrote: »

Ok question why is Kate hoey still in labour? Is she not pretty much aligned with the DUP these days?

Kate Hoey is from Northern Ireland, but her constituency is in England. Not too many DUP voters in Vauxhall.

declanflynn · 03-09-2019 10:55PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Imreoir2 wrote: »

So, they are now kicked out but may be accepted back if they repent? Some hope, why rebel tonight if you don't support the motion tomorrow?

I am wary. It is Tories we are talking about.

OK tonight won the vote to proceed. But the REAL vote is tomorrow. I reckon there will be waverers. Tonights vote was just to have a vote. Honestly!

We shall see. So much fkn drama, you would really wonder how real life and necessary ordinary legislation gets a look in now with all this going on.

depaffell will lose tomorrow no doubt mate

Capt'n Midnight · 03-09-2019 10:55PM

Re the current sheep export debate.

So if the Japanese agreement performs as well as expected, it could account for 2.67% of current exports to the EU. Two IF's there.

tariffs averaging about 40% are imposed on lamb exports to the EU as a result of a no-deal Brexit. ( 40% is the BBC figure , link has 38% to 91%)

From live TV -Cheap New Zealand lamb will attract UK tariffs

Because of BSE UK and Irish lamb was banned by Japan until recently.

So why wouldn't Japan just buy New Zealand lamb instead ?

The simple fact is
The EU accounts for 97% of British sheep meat exports.

Westernyelp · 03-09-2019 10:56PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

I have not the slightes idea what you are trying to say. This is meaningless drivel.

They can't even spell 'the'

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 10:56PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

check the suicide rate in Greece
combine that with German gdp till recent
good man...

Why...

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:56PM

batgoat wrote: »

Think general election is generally viewed as an acceptable scenario for an extension.

I don't think it will be at this point and even if it were they'd get very little.

mcmoustache · 03-09-2019 10:56PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169001298164932610

What is Johnson playing at? How does this help his agenda?

Playing a blinder, supposedly. 4d chess and all that. We're just too silly to understand the genius of these outwardly stupid and chaotic actions.

sondagefaux · 03-09-2019 10:57PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Andrea leadsom talking about a deal. What deal are they talking about ?

A drugs deal? Would explain a lot.

beggars_bush · 03-09-2019 10:57PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Playing a blinder, supposedly. 4d chess and all that. We're just too silly to understand the genius of these outwardly stupid and chaotic actions.

Boris is too clever for his own good.
Or he thinks he is.

holyhead · 03-09-2019 10:57PM

Cameron I think genuinely didn't expect the UK to vote to leave the EU. The vote was folly not because of the outcome. It was folly because the terms and conditions for exiting were not known by the UK public at the time of the vote. Having voted to leave the EU were never going to make it easy for Britain. They would merely serve to undermine the continued existence of the EU.
Johnson is trying to bulldoze his way to Brexit not caring about the collateral damage done along the way. I don't see how Brexit won't be damaging for the UK and I think the MPs know this. Hence the vote tonight. Brexit has paralysed British politics for the past few years. I think personally they should vote again at the point that the terms of leaving are known. Then it would be an informed decision.
Unionists may treasure their loyalty to the Queen and Country. I'm not sure the Country is so loyal to the N.I. loyalists. I don't think Brexiteers thought about/considered the consequences of Brexit on Ireland north or south. The standard of debate surrounding leaving up until the vote was poor and essentially amounted to scaremongering.

Limpy · 03-09-2019 10:57PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169001298164932610

What is Johnson playing at? How does this help his agenda?

Good riddance if true. Bring on the election.

Akrasia · 03-09-2019 10:58PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169001298164932610

What is Johnson playing at? How does this help his agenda?

Makes him look tough I suppose... and when the election comes his party will be solidly pro no deal brexit, gets rid of the moderates who would rock the boat

Infini · 03-09-2019 10:58PM

gmisk wrote: »

Ok question why is Kate hoey still in labour? Is she not pretty much aligned with the DUP these days?

Think the real question is why havent Labour dumped her for being an obious troll and 5th Column, shes little more than a UKIP infiltrator.

Podge_irl · 03-09-2019 10:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I would be very surprised if they did grant one. The only possible circumstance might be a new HoC finally agreeing to the WA deal.

The EU (insofar as referring to it as such makes sense) have already said an election would be grounds for an extension. They have also said they would renegotiate the WA if the UK's red lines changed. They are not petulant children - if there is a viable expectation that a deal could still be brokered and agreed they will take that chance. And Parliament actually crafting what they want would pretty much guarantee its viability.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 10:58PM

Headshot wrote: »

If your like me and not good with names, here's the pics of the 21 rebels

https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/711?byMember=false

A good lot are from the Home Counties. Not many from North of Watford Gap from what I can see.

Is this a sign!

gmisk · 03-09-2019 10:58PM

awec wrote: »

Kate Hoey is from Northern Ireland, but her constituency is in England. Not too many DUP voters in Vauxhall.

I'm well aware of where she is from I'm from northern ireland...but why is she still with labour was my point, should she not just move to another party (brexit party probably)?

Bit cynical · 03-09-2019 10:59PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

I'm aware of what they've said but I still think that after parliament finally taking some action (and an election looking fairly likely) that there is almost zero chance of them not granting an extension. It would essentially look like the EU forcing the UK out over the wishes of its parliament and that is not something they will be keen on.

I would be inclined to believe this. Even if a fairly perfunctory letter is written by Boris the EU will grant an extension. There have already been unprompted noises about "abolishing" (i.e. extending) the October 31st deadline from EU national leaders.

Quin_Dub · 03-09-2019 10:59PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

check the suicide rate in Greece
combine that with German gdp till recent
good man...

##mod note##

Thecretinhop will be taking a break

Enzokk · 03-09-2019 10:59PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Playing a blinder, supposedly. 4d chess and all that. We're just too silly to understand the genius of these outwardly stupid and chaotic actions.

It could still work out that Johnson wins a huge majority on a no-deal platform and we have to bow the to intelligence of Cummings, but he won a yes/no referendum by breaking electoral laws. The problem they have right now is that they are in an incredibly weak position and it will not get better in an election.

They still have to contend with their record for the past 9 years and I don't see austerity ending in that time.

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