Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)

gmisk · 03-09-2019 10:42PM

Enzokk wrote: »

It is remarkable that Ruth Davidson lasted as long as she did as Scottish Tory leader when there seems to be no move from Scottish MPs to even go for a soft Brexit.

If Johnson can be PM then going for Corbyn is not a step back. Johnson is a liar and will cost the UK in the long run. Just look at his record as London mayor. How is the Garden Bridge? What about his promise to lie in front of the bulldozers to stop the 3rd runway?

Ah the garden bridge which cost at least 53m.... but nothing whatsoever was built lol

Infini · 03-09-2019 10:42PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

swoon de EU. record amount of sucides in greece after herr merkel. literally middle aged men killing demselves after rooting in bin.
de EU.

Lets be fair here it was Greek Politicians who fiddled the books with help from Goldmann Sachhs and then went ham on the spending that caused this. Blaming Germany for all the problems isnt fair there but thats for another thread I'd say.

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:42PM

gmisk wrote: »

Is that not reliant on the EU giving yet more extensions? I thought EU have ruled that out?

They have to request one and they'll need a very good reason to get. All UK mood music points to them not having a hope of finding a reason.

robinph · 03-09-2019 10:43PM

So the tory "majority" has today gone from +1, to - 1 and now just kicked out another 21 from the party.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 10:43PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

swoon de EU. record amount of sucides in greece after herr merkel. literally middle aged men killing demselves after rooting in bin.
de EU.

Sure, nothing at all to do with the decisions of the Greek government over many years, it's all the EUs fault :rolleyes:

manual_man · 03-09-2019 10:43PM

RickBlaine wrote: »

Copied straight from Twitter (David Allen Green) and it hits the nail on the head:

"Remember if it had not been for Johnson and Cummings "genius" prorogation then this vote would not have been held and lost and we would be on steady course for a likely No Deal Brexit

Huge political blunder

What happens when people think they are cleverer than they actually are"

I don’t believe that for a second. Those determined to undermine Brexit would almost certainly have looked to find a different opportunity to do the exact same thing.

LeinsterDub · 03-09-2019 10:44PM

devnull wrote: »

https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1168998820711190530
https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1168998058417373184

List of Rebels on both sides.

Interesting that May supported it. If she was pro no deal when in number 10 she might still be PM

declanflynn · 03-09-2019 10:44PM

InTheShadows wrote: »

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Erm if no deal is off the table then the UK will not be leaving until at least January with more than likely rolling extensions thereafter!

Erm no deal isn't off the table. Keep up

It will be soon mate, depaffel shot down in flames, do or die ha ha ha

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:44PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Erm if no deal is off the table then the UK will not be leaving until at least January with more than likely rolling extensions thereafter!

No it's still there but an extension is by no means guaranteed. All this bill hopes to do is to prevent a No deal exit on 31 October.

irishproduce · 03-09-2019 10:44PM

gmisk wrote: »

Is that not reliant on the EU giving yet more extensions? I thought EU have ruled that out?

My hole. This is all choreographed. The EU will let on they're reluctantly giving extension. In reality, its incredibly difficult to escape the clutches of the EU

A Dub in Glasgo · 03-09-2019 10:45PM

Seems to be a change of tune

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169000894513504263

martingriff · 03-09-2019 10:45PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It isn't just a matter of a government loosing a vote and a bill being defeated.
That happens every so often anyway.

The Benn bill compels the government to obey decisions taken by entities outside the UK especially when in conflict with the governments own wishes.

This puts the current and future governments in perilous situations.
It frankly makes nation state governance in the UK a bit of a joke, as they are no longer the ones in charge.

What decisions are does. Your sounding like the MP who's whole point was I hear EU lawyers saw this bill

Podge_irl · 03-09-2019 10:45PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No it's still there but an extension is by no means guaranteed. All this bill hopes to do is to prevent a No deal exit on 31 October.

It's not guaranteed, but after all this and if the bill tomorrow passes the optics for the EU would be atrocious if they did anything but accept.

blackcard · 03-09-2019 10:45PM

martingriff wrote: »

Boris might get the the record for Shortest reign as the British Prime Minister could see Mogg try to stab him in the back

Couldn't see Mogg doing that. He might get his nanny to do it for him.

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:46PM

robinph wrote: »

So the tory "majority" has today gone from +1, to - 1 and now just kicked out another 21 from the party.

Not just yet, apparently now only if they vote for the bill.

54and56 · 03-09-2019 10:46PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They have to request one and they'll need a very good reason to get. All UK mood music points to them not having a hope of finding a reason.

Would a new UK govt, particularly a Labour or Labour led coalition, not be a good reason?

Enzokk · 03-09-2019 10:46PM

I am surprised that the UK thinks no-deal is a negotiating strategy. It seems to me that they are so insular that many of them think the EU is some sort of enemy and needs to be crushed, but it seems to me that it is actually far from the truth. The EU is politicians, who are just like the UK MPs. It is remarkable that they seem to think they are an enemy when in reality if they were more reasonable themselves you would get a better result with the negotiations.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2019 10:46PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Leadsom saying rebels will NOT lose whip tonight and will have second chance tomorrow.

Looks like it will be a closer run thing tomorrow.

Why is she saying this, she is no longer the Leader of the House, but I suppose JRM was sprawled out on the Commons benches and couldn't be bothered get up to make a statement.

Wasn't it he who went to Balmoral to her Maj to sign for Proroguation.

Honestly WTAF is UK thinking now. They are off their heads.

I never did think that this would succeed, but was hopeful tonight. Not so much for tomorrow.

More fkn Drama.

prawnsambo · 03-09-2019 10:47PM

InTheShadows wrote: »

The people of the UK aren't ever putting a charlatan like Corbyn into number 10. Today is a marvelous day for the people who voted to leave the EU.

InTheShadows wrote: »

No chance. The UK are leaving the EU in a few weeks. The remoaners have been led on a merry dance

That's a remarkable impression of Comical Ali.

mcmoustache · 03-09-2019 10:47PM

gmisk wrote: »

It's er a secret?....so much so the EU haven't been told anything.

This was a bit of an elephant in the room tonight. Everyone already knew that there were no negotiations worth speaking of but yet the whole tory spin was that they needed the no-deal option on the table to negotiate? I get that they were playing to their brexit constituency but they surely can't think that they're that stupid? Can they?

So what's the next big step in this? Presumably it's now up to Corbyn to agree to an election. I know that he's an ideologue but I haven't figured out yet if he's stupid, whatever I might think about his poorly closeted communist tendencies.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 10:47PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Seems to be a change of tune

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169000894513504263

So, they are now kicked out but may be accepted back if they repent? Some hope, why rebel tonight if you don't support the motion tomorrow?

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:48PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

It's not guaranteed, but after all this and if the bill tomorrow passes the optics for the EU would be atrocious if they did anything but accept.

The EU have asked for real alternatives otherwise the WA stands and on 31 October they are pretty much out.

Headshot · 03-09-2019 10:48PM

If your like me and not good with names, here's the pics of the 21 rebels

https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/711?byMember=false

LeinsterDub · 03-09-2019 10:48PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Seems to be a change of tune

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169000894513504263

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169001298164932610

What is Johnson playing at? How does this help his agenda?

thecretinhop · 03-09-2019 10:48PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Sure, nothing at all to do with the decisions of the Greek government over many years, it's all the EUs fault :rolleyes:

am i right

clintons obama: good massive frauds clinton foundation

eu good: caveat umtor. ahhh no Germany checks on de loans not needed

ger: wat merc shud we buy gunter??
Athens: i have ate well 2day. i ate dog food.

is_that_so · 03-09-2019 10:50PM

54and56 wrote: »

Would a new UK govt, particularly a Labour or Labour led coalition, not be a good reason?

Probably not unless they were prepared to go with the original deal or explore real alternatives.

gooch2k9 · 03-09-2019 10:50PM

Enzokk wrote: »

I am surprised that the UK thinks no-deal is a negotiating strategy. It seems to me that they are so insular that many of them think the EU is some sort of enemy and needs to be crushed, but it seems to me that it is actually far from the truth. The EU is politicians, who are just like the UK MPs. It is remarkable that they seem to think they are an enemy when in reality if they were more reasonable themselves you would get a better result with the negotiations.

I can understand the DUP having this mindset. It works for them in that when the negotiations fail things don't fall to pieces because the grownups take the reins. The Conservatives having this mindset is madness.

McGiver · 03-09-2019 10:50PM

Popeleo wrote: »

McGiver wrote: »

3/5ths 60% only, some 380

Nope. Two-thirds of total seats. So 650 /3 *2 = 433.333

So 434 votes needed.

Stand corrected. No way getting that.

Podge_irl · 03-09-2019 10:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The EU have asked for real alternatives otherwise the WA stands and on 31 October they are pretty much out.

I'm aware of what they've said but I still think that after parliament finally taking some action (and an election looking fairly likely) that there is almost zero chance of them not granting an extension. It would essentially look like the EU forcing the UK out over the wishes of its parliament and that is not something they will be keen on.

declanflynn · 03-09-2019 10:50PM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Seems to be a change of tune

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1169000894513504263

So, they are now kicked out but may be accepted back if they repent? Some hope, why rebel tonight if you don't support the motion tomorrow?

After tonight it will be easier to rebel tomorrow, mite even be one or two more

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