The death knell of the Irish Language

03-09-2019 11:25AM

daveorourke77 wrote: »

The Irish language is on life support (i.e being kept alive artificially).

It's time we pulled the plug and let it die of natural causes.

Sheer alarmism. I couldn't disagree more. There are hundreds of thousands of people throughout Ireland who retain a degree of pride in their native tongue, and not just those who reside in the Gaeltacht. The Irish language is in safe hands, it will survive with or without your withering appraisal.

Hotblack Desiato · 03-09-2019 11:31AM

dodderangler wrote: »

You should probably change your last name then. Seeing as how it’s as Irish as our language is.

Ladies and gentlemen, how to make friends and influence people - Irish language activist style. :rolleyes:

I’m sure your great grandparents would love to hear you say that about the Irish language.

Similar guff to "What would your dead great-grandmother think if you don't baptise your child!!!"

Who the fcuk cares what someone who is long dead may have or may NOT have thought.

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 11:35AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Ladies and gentlemen, how to make friends and influence people - Irish language activist style. :rolleyes:

Similar guff to "What would your dead great-grandmother think if you don't baptise your child!!!"

Who the fcuk cares what someone who is long dead may have or may NOT have thought.

How about those killed by the British just for speaking Irish. Loved their language so much that they were killed because of it.
Can all you so called Irish that dislike being Irish just fück off to another country then?

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 11:36AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Genius! That's going in the signature!

Anyway, I don't believe we've ever had the pleasure, but you've answered my questions by ignoring them. Cheers

Playing innocent won’t get you anywhere. You cried at me because I hunt. Cried because I’m right wing. Now your denying we ever had any discussion before.

Yeah typical liberal snowflake. Don’t you have a cloud to yell at or a sky to scream
At when you don’t get your own way?!
Good luck

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 11:39AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sheer alarmism. I couldn't disagree more. There are hundreds of thousands of people throughout Ireland who retain a degree of pride in their native tongue, and not just those who reside in the Gaeltacht. The Irish language is in safe hands, it will survive with or without your withering appraisal.

Well put. Buachaill/cailín án mhaith

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-09-2019 11:53AM

dodderangler wrote: »

Playing innocent won’t get you anywhere. You cried at me because I hunt. Cried because I’m right wing. Now your denying we ever had any discussion before.

Yeah typical liberal snowflake. Don’t you have a cloud to yell at or a sky to scream
At when you don’t get your own way?!
Good luck

Again - who the **** ARE you, exactly?

Never mind. You're not here to debate, so I'll debate with people who are.

Greyfox · 03-09-2019 11:53AM

dodderangler wrote: »

As I said if more “actual Irish “ people learned to speak their own language then we would have a reason to speak it.
Kinda sickens me the amount of people here that are dismissing the Irish language.

People have better things to do with there time, the reason needs to be there before people are willing to invest time in learning it. The fact is the Irish language is not relevant to most Irish people so using force or guilt to make people like it is the wrong approach

Berserker · 03-09-2019 11:57AM

dodderangler wrote: »

As I said if more “actual Irish“ people learned to speak their own language then we would have a reason to speak it.
Kinda sickens me the amount of people here that are dismissing the Irish language. Should all be ashamed.

What is an "actual Irish" person?

facehugger99 · 03-09-2019 12:02PM

If we productively used the time we spend teaching children useless stuff like Religion and Irish in school, we would have some of the best educated children in the world.

The Irish-language Nazis have hamstrung the country for generations with their backward ideology.

It's continued decline will eventually see it phased out entirely - good riddance to it.

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 12:06PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

If we productively used the time we spend teaching children useless stuff like Religion and Irish in school, we would have some of the best educated children in the world.

The Irish-language Nazis have hamstrung the country for generations with their backward ideology.

It's continued decline will eventually see it phased out entirely - good riddance to it.

Irish language nazis? Seriously mate I’d love to say something but it’s get me banned.
Just be thankful I don’t know you.
****e*.
Don’t like it then fùck off

facehugger99 · 03-09-2019 12:08PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Just be thankful I don’t know you.

It's most gratifying.

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 12:08PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Again - who the **** ARE you, exactly?

Never mind. You're not here to debate, so I'll debate with people who are.

Guess you argue with so many on this that you can’t remember us all with your liberal logic.
You’re probably the type of person to sue your neighbor for cooking meat on a barbecue because you don’t like meat.
**** off

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 12:09PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It's most gratifying.

Coward!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-09-2019 12:29PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Irish language nazis? Seriously mate I’d love to say something but it’s get me banned.
Just be thankful I don’t know you.
****e*.
Don’t like it then fùck off

dodderangler wrote: »

Guess you argue with so many on this that you can’t remember us all with your liberal logic.
You’re probably the type of person to sue your neighbor for cooking meat on a barbecue because you don’t like meat.
**** off

Hmmm.....

(ok - NOW I'm finished with you.)

Stop moaning ffs · 03-09-2019 12:30PM

Obvious troll is obvious. Boards is infested with them lately. Division and conflict at all costs no matter the topic.

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 12:33PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Obvious troll is obvious. Boards is infested with them lately. Division and conflict at all costs no matter the topic.

Well the sooner you liberal trolls leave the better. I remember when boards was actually good to go on. You liberals had your own area. Then you came over to this side and ruined it.

Imreoir2 · 03-09-2019 12:35PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The Irish-language Nazis have hamstrung the country for generations with their backward ideology.

If this is the level of debate you wish to engage in, then may I say that it is English-Language scumbags that have dragged the country down for generations by their backward ideology of an English speaking Catholic Ireland. It was the English Speaking Catholic Nationalists that gave the country lock stock and barrel to the church. The Catholic church in this county opperates solely through English and that was the case long before independance. English speakers put the church in charge of everything, almost every school in the state operates through English and who runs them? The church. What language were the Mother and Baby homes run in? English! English speakers in this country have a lot to answer for.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-09-2019 12:35PM

dodderangler wrote: »

As I said if more “actual Irish “ people learned to speak their own language then we would have a reason to speak it.
Kinda sickens me the amount of people here that are dismissing the Irish language.
Should all be ashamed.
Now let’s here the criticism. I’m sure the liberal agenda here will be on me now like white on rice.

I could not feel less ashamed. Every suggestion given to Irish language enthusiasts that will allow those who love the language to learn and speak it is without roping in everyone else is dismissed. Ye have a problem for every solution. Part of the issue seems to be that you can’t comprehend why anyone wouldn’t want to learn it. Think of your least favourite school subject. How would you feel if somebody said you were disrespectful because you didn’t like it? Wouldn’t that be ridiculous?

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 02:06PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I could not feel less ashamed. Every suggestion given to Irish language enthusiasts that will allow those who love the language to learn and speak it is without roping in everyone else is dismissed. Ye have a problem for every solution. Part of the issue seems to be that you can’t comprehend why anyone wouldn’t want to learn it. Think of your least favourite school subject. How would you feel if somebody said you were disrespectful because you didn’t like it? Wouldn’t that be ridiculous?

It’s not a fecking school subject. It is our national language for god sake. A language spoken here by our forefathers. A language that we were killed for just speaking it because of British rule.
You don’t want to learn it fine then. But to completely disrespect it and what it stands for is disgusting and you should just leave or better yet go to England. They’d love to hear you talk about your hatred for your national language.

Hotblack Desiato · 03-09-2019 02:36PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Yeah typical liberal snowflake. Don’t you have a cloud to yell at or a sky to scream
At when you don’t get your own way?!

No need for him to do that when you are at it already!

Greyfox · 03-09-2019 02:43PM

dodderangler wrote: »

It’s not a fecking school subject. It is our national language for god sake. A language spoken here by our forefathers. A language that we were killed for just speaking it because of British rule.
You don’t want to learn it fine then. But to completely disrespect it and what it stands for is disgusting and you should just leave or better yet go to England. They’d love to hear you talk about your hatred for your national language.

It is a school subject to most Irish people. Not wanting to learn it is not the same thing as disrespecting it learning our language should be optional just like watching GAA or listening to Irish music otherwise it just makes some people dislike it. Your just not able to accept the fact that people have a different opinion to you

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-09-2019 02:50PM

dodderangler wrote: »

It’s not a fecking school subject. It is our national language for god sake. A language spoken here by our forefathers. A language that we were killed for just speaking it because of British rule.
You don’t want to learn it fine then. But to completely disrespect it and what it stands for is disgusting and you should just leave or better yet go to England. They’d love to hear you talk about your hatred for your national language.

Yeah, that doesn’t matter to the person who doesn’t enjoy learning it. To them, it’s a topic they don’t like learning. Like any topic somebody doesn’t enjoy. Most people had something they didn’t like learning or had no affinity for. For some, that’s Irish. It isn’t a special case and foot-stamping won’t change that.

Will you ever feck off with calling fellow Irish people disgusting and/or disrespectful. Who do you think you are?

dodderangler · 03-09-2019 03:28PM

Banned.

facehugger99 · 03-09-2019 03:32PM

I would love to see the actual figures on how much taxpayer's money is being pissed away on a yearly basis on this futile exercise. It must run to 100's of millions.

Other than a few dozen ideologues, the vast majority of people would rather see that money spent on health, education or infrastructure.

Even during the recession when the country was borrowing billions each year, we were still paying to produce official reports in Irish. Most of these reports simply gather dust and benefit nobody, other than the translators paid a king's ransom for the so called 'work' involved.

It's an outrage really.

Reati · 03-09-2019 03:33PM

dodderangler wrote: »

It’s not a fecking school subject. It is our national language for god sake. A language spoken here by our forefathers. A language that we were killed for just speaking it because of British rule.
You don’t want to learn it fine then. But to completely disrespect it and what it stands for is disgusting and you should just leave or better yet go to England. They’d love to hear you talk about your hatred for your national language.

I say this as an Irish speaker, who home language is Irish and is family is raised through Irish and vigorously defends the language.

You need stop talking and go away. Now. It is people like you that create this Gaeilgeoir Nazi image that actual Irish speakers who work to promote the language get tarred with.

No one is less Irish for not speaking the language. No one is less Irish because they don't have an interest in the language. No one should be told to "Go to X" because they have a different view.

You are either trolling or incredibly ignorant.

Bit cynical · 03-09-2019 03:37PM

Fourier wrote: »

My reading of the period was that they thought Irish should be taught like Latin and thus should involve grammar drilling and readings from "classics" rather than thinking it was innate to people.

Well I think in Latin, English or whatever is the spoken language is used in textbooks to explain grammar and vocabulary. This has always been the case. However if you look at the Irish schoolbooks of the day, no English is used. So you have the complexities of Irish grammar explained in Irish in the books.

This of course is fine if you have been brought up speaking Irish. But the vast amount of people living around the time of the foundation of the State were not. My guess is that policy, however, was formed by those few who were brought up speaking Irish and consequently could not understand how someone else could not understand it.

I think in more recent years this policy is seen as a mistake even by the Gaelgeoirs. However now it is too lucrative to drop it and the debate has shifted to identity politics, rights for Irish speakers etc.

Reati · 03-09-2019 03:49PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I would love to see the actual figures on how much taxpayer's money is being pissed away on a yearly basis on this futile exercise. It must run to 100's of millions.

Other than a few dozen ideologues, the vast majority of people would rather see that money spent on health, education or infrastructure.

Even during the recession when the country was borrowing billions each year, we were still paying to producing official reports in Irish. Most of these reports simply gather dust and benefit nobody, other than the translators paid a king's ransom for the so called 'work' involved.

It's an outrage really.

You were in the other thread on this a while back. The figures are all there and are still the same.

Although I rathered when you simply stated your viewpoint directly

facehugger99 wrote: »

Irish is a complete waste of time. I've managed to get both my kids exemptions from it so they can use that time in secondary school to study useful stuff.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-09-2019 08:29PM

Reati wrote: »

I say this as an Irish speaker, who home language is Irish and is family is raised through Irish and vigorously defends the language.

You need stop talking and go away. Now. It is people like you that create this Gaeilgeoir Nazi image that actual Irish speakers who work to promote the language get tarred with.

No one is less Irish for not speaking the language. No one is less Irish because they don't have an interest in the language. No one should be told to "Go to X" because they have a different view.

You are either trolling or incredibly ignorant.

Don't worry, we can tell the difference! (Well, most of us anyway...)

Stop moaning ffs · 04-09-2019 10:34AM

Back on Topic
Chuckles

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1169179559801085952?s=21

The death knell of the Irish Language

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