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Brexit discussion thread X (Please read OP before posting)
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ToBeFrank123 wrote: »You want to talk about the legitimacy of the referendum result, I don't. Discussing its legitimacy in my view is a waste of time at this stage.
Wellwhaddyaknow: we've found common ground! Now if only the British politicians could learn from our example!
I agree: the settle-a-Tory-argument opinion poll, masquerading as a referendum, is ancient history and there's little point in discussing its legitimacy now, more than three years later and less than two months till Brexit day.
Except ... see paragraph 1: MPs in Westminster haven't learnt a damn thing about democracy or collaborative governance in the meantime, and that's a problem for everyone - the British on both side of the Leave/Remain divide, the Irish, the EU and even the non-European nations that want to continue to trade with the UK post-Brexit.
Think about it for a second: the referendum came about because of an dispute within the Conservative Party from around the turn of the century; 20 years later, the headline news today is ... a dispute within the Conservative Party.
If those "in charge" of the UK cannot even agree amongst themselves, how the feck can the rest of us be expected to deal with them? It is unfortunate that the Island of Ireland has an EU-UK frontier running through it, but as is the case with any undesireable neighbours in an otherwise desireable neighbourhood, sometimes you've just got to grow some trees along the fence, put up with their carry-on and hope they default on their rent/mortgage and are replaced by nicer people.0 -
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CelticRambler wrote: »Wellwhaddyaknow: we've found common ground! Now if only the British politicians could learn from our example!
I agree: the settle-a-Tory-argument opinion poll, masquerading as a referendum, is ancient history and there's little point in discussing its legitimacy now, more than three years later and less than two months till Brexit day.
Except ... see paragraph 1: MPs in Westminster haven't learnt a damn thing about democracy or collaborative governance in the meantime, and that's a problem for everyone - the British on both side of the Leave/Remain divide, the Irish, the EU and even the non-European nations that want to continue to trade with the UK post-Brexit.
Think about it for a second: the referendum came about because of an dispute within the Conservative Party from around the turn of the century; 20 years later, the headline news today is ... a dispute within the Conservative Party.
If those "in charge" of the UK cannot even agree amongst themselves, how the feck can the rest of us be expected to deal with them? It is unfortunate that the Island of Ireland has an EU-UK frontier running through it, but as is the case with any undesireable neighbours in an otherwise desireable neighbourhood, sometimes you've just got to grow some trees along the fence, put up with their carry-on and hope they default on their rent/mortgage and are replaced by nicer people.
I could be wrong here but I believe at one stage or another every single party leader in the UK has said the referendum result needs to be respected.
Here's what Corbyn said.Jeremy Corbyn: 'Brexit result must be respected'
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-result-must-be-respected-a3313661.html
Yep, Tory hating Corbyn said that. He didn't say it was illegitimate, he didn't say it was an opinion poll. He said the result must be respected.0 -
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But an election that was 'forced' on him? By 'remainers'? Couldn't get more brexity than a man standing for an election that he's tried to avoid and looking for a majority to implement the 'will of the people' and thwart the remoaners. I could write reams of manifestos on those talking points alone. There would be something compelling for brexiters in supporting the only party that can deliver brexit. Because Brexit Party Limited can't do that on their own.Zubeneschamali wrote: »I think an election before Brexit Day will go badly for the Tories - Leavers will split to support the Brexit Party as Johnson has failed, Remainers will be energized by the possibility that a Remain Alliance can stop Brexit altogether.
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prawnsambo wrote: »But an election that was 'forced' on him? By 'remainers'? Couldn't get more brexity than a man standing for an election that he's tried to avoid and looking for a majority to implement the 'will of the people' and thwart the remoaners. I could write reams of manifestos on those talking points alone. There would be something compelling for brexiters in supporting the only party that can deliver brexit. Because Brexit Party Limited can't do that on their own.
Indeed BUT thanks to FPTP if the BP do split the conservative vote it gives the other parties a better chance to take some previously secure conservative seats, but they would need to agree to a non aggression pact like was done in Wales for the by election where they dont compete against each other for these seats0
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