Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

IITYWYBMAD · 27-08-2019 11:45am

slave1 wrote: »

I for one will not be taking my driver out and risk snapping it, boot will need to take a proper full cart bag including driver and woods. It looks like it will fit diagonally

Looking at that video, I'd say the full set will fit diagonally. Wonder would you get the trolley into the front trunk?

bdogg · 27-08-2019 11:48am

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

Looking at that video, I'd say the full set will fit diagonally. Wonder would you get the trolley into the front trunk?

No way - the 'frunk' is quite shallow and small. It would fit a small backpack or a couple of small shopping bags - no more.

Re: clubs. Yeah, diagonal with the bag all the way in the boot. Trolley beside it should be no problem.

jontr · 27-08-2019 12:05pm

If Tesla did 0% APR on Model 3, I would buy it right away (or rather preorder one).
They don't need to do that, the demand is higher than the supply anyway.

ELM327 · 27-08-2019 12:10pm

EVGuy wrote: »

I have one in the drive, but the insurance went through the roof as it's 22 years old.

It would need about 1000 in repairs + 2800 insurance + 500 tax to get it on the road and then I have to deal with the expensive of filling it up.

I'm not buying some banger on its last legs to drive around spewing filth. I'd rather spend the ~€250 on a set of knobby tyres for the bike for winter days and maybe a heated jacket.

I'd actually consider buying something like a Zero FXS with knobbies rather than putting the money into an ICE car, but then I probably wouldn't have the funds to buy the M3.

It would help if Tesla lowered their finance rate, maybe give us all 0% finance to compensate for the wait (or even something like 2%).

As an aside, do you do CAN hacking? I'm asking based on your username.

I assume that's some sort of pushbike? :pac:
No I don't do CAN hacking, it was a username from my first question here

drumm23 · 27-08-2019 12:26pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but if the first 10 are no hassle, and you are hassle, the 10 sales are easier than dealing with a problem customer for an 11th sale that costs them more in opex (employing staff to deal with you) and that eats into what is probably a very thin margin. If you ordered an SR+ in white with no extras it's probably not even making them more than a couple of percent. Their profit is in the M3P/LRAWD models

nah
the problem isn't the individual customer - it's who they tell, it's the marketing of it ... anyway, you seem to be a strong believer so I will leave it there

they're definitely great cars, but the competition won't stand still

traco · 27-08-2019 12:32pm

EVGuy wrote: »

I have one in the drive, but the insurance went through the roof as it's 22 years old.

It would need about 1000 in repairs + 2800 insurance + 500 tax to get it on the road and then I have to deal with the expensive of filling it up.

I'd actually consider buying something like a Zero FXS with knobbies rather than putting the money into an ICE car, but then I probably wouldn't have the funds to buy the M3.

What have you got sitting in the driveway that costs 2800 to insure???

Whats a Zero FXS cost here if available? 12k++? Gear and insurance could cost 1-1.5k for it.

There's lot of things you could pick up with NCT for 500-1000 that would be cheap to tax and insure to get you over the gap. NCT it again and you'll get your money back.

Hartunion · 27-08-2019 12:33pm

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

Folks, I've been following the thread with interest over the past couple of weeks, and I've decided I'm going to take the plunge on the M3. I've a slightly different scenario, in that I currently have a company car on lease, and I'll be doing the same arrangement with the M3. My current lease expires in Feb 2021, so I guess I'll place my order in Feb/Mar next year. One question, with regards to the M3 is the boot/front boot capacity. Would you be able to fit a set of golf clubs into the boot?

I would ignore the video of fitting 4 sets of clubs in the boot. These all had no drivers in the bags. I think worst case you'll get a set and electric trolly in the boot BUT I'd be surprised if you don't need to remove the driver from your bag and place it in on top. There are a few more youtubes on it. Half hoping the base in the boot could take an electric caddy car but unlikely (but there are some that fold into nothing these days, so maybe). The front boot (can't call it a frunk) will be dedicated to golf shoes, spare rain gear, golf gloves, hats etc etc..... Ok sorry I'm on a golf tangent!!!

bf · 27-08-2019 2:25pm

Spoke to someone in Tesla today, they are fully expecting the first batch of Irish cars to be on a ship coming into Zebrugge in mid-October. They said normally they would expect to deliver these cars in late October but are allowing a few extra weeks for SEAI paperwork. No mention on any “software” issues.

I was told to expect to be allocated a VIN in October, delivery early Nov and if I didn’t want to take delivery it was no issue, VIN would be reassigned to another matching order. No guarantee then of a January delivery, could be anytime in Q1

hatrack · 27-08-2019 2:31pm

bf wrote: »

Spoke to someone in Tesla today, they are fully expecting the first batch of Irish cars to be on a ship coming into Zebrugge in mid-October. They said normally they would expect to deliver these cars in late October but are allowing a few extra weeks for SEAI paperwork. No mention on any “software” issues.

I was told to expect to be allocated a VIN in October, delivery early Nov and if I didn’t want to take delivery it was no issue, VIN would be reassigned to another matching order. No guarantee then of a January delivery, could be anytime in Q1

Was this in Sandyford? Or someone in UK or Netherlands?

If it’s true it’s slightly earlier than “end of November” which we had been told. I won’t mention the pointless text message we all received.

beanian · 27-08-2019 2:33pm

Interesting price comparasion of the costs of Teslas across all regions

Taken from here
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/cw290w/global_price_comparison_20190825/

Hartunion · 27-08-2019 2:34pm

bf wrote: »

Spoke to someone in Tesla today, they are fully expecting the first batch of Irish cars to be on a ship coming into Zebrugge in mid-October. They said normally they would expect to deliver these cars in late October but are allowing a few extra weeks for SEAI paperwork. No mention on any “software” issues.

I was told to expect to be allocated a VIN in October, delivery early Nov and if I didn’t want to take delivery it was no issue, VIN would be reassigned to another matching order. No guarantee then of a January delivery, could be anytime in Q1

I think what they might potentially be understimating is just how many people won't want delivery in late Nov/Dec? Surely the elephant in the room. Maybe they will have comfort in the fact that going down the queue someone will take it them. I for one would prefer wait for a 2020 reg than take ownership in Nov!!! All that said - I still think it's going to be Q1 anyway. Interesting the software item seems to have gone away which was front and centre to the hold up some time back.

dingledosser · 27-08-2019 3:00pm

bf wrote: »

Spoke to someone in Tesla today, they are fully expecting the first batch of Irish cars to be on a ship coming into Zebrugge in mid-October. They said normally they would expect to deliver these cars in late October but are allowing a few extra weeks for SEAI paperwork. No mention on any “software” issues.

I was told to expect to be allocated a VIN in October, delivery early Nov and if I didn’t want to take delivery it was no issue, VIN would be reassigned to another matching order. No guarantee then of a January delivery, could be anytime in Q1

Any mention of which config they expect to come first? Performance, LR AWD, SR+, or a mix?

jusmeig · 27-08-2019 3:15pm

Lads the software "issue" was anecdotal. The Model3 is on the SEAI website for weeks.

EVGuy · 27-08-2019 3:28pm

traco wrote: »

What have you got sitting in the driveway that costs 2800 to insure???

Whats a Zero FXS cost here if available? 12k++? Gear and insurance could cost 1-1.5k for it.

There's lot of things you could pick up with NCT for 500-1000 that would be cheap to tax and insure to get you over the gap. NCT it again and you'll get your money back.

Something small and sporty is in the drive.

I could in theory get classic insurance on it for 390 but that apparently excludes commuting.

The zero would replace my smaller bike (also worth about 12k) so would cost €160 to add to my policy.

The plan is/was to sell the smaller bike to help pay for the M3 though. I have all the gear and you can get a great set of gear + helment for about 800 if you shop sensibly.

I really don't want to buy a banger - yes, I might be lucky and it fills a gap, I could equally be unlucky and end up with a pile of scrap I have to pay to have towed.

Probably I'll just use the bike I have, short of -5 or lower and ice on the road it's fine, even in light snow.

Heated seats too.

@hartunion "Froot".

bf · 27-08-2019 4:27pm

Hartunion wrote: »

I think what they might potentially be understimating is just how many people won't want delivery in late Nov/Dec? Surely the elephant in the room. Maybe they will have comfort in the fact that going down the queue someone will take it them. I for one would prefer wait for a 2020 reg than take ownership in Nov!!! All that said - I still think it's going to be Q1 anyway. Interesting the software item seems to have gone away which was front and centre to the hold up some time back.

To put it in context Ireland is a tiny market for them. There is probably 300 - 350 orders in Ireland versus over 6,000 in the UK. Who knows what volume they will get into Ireland before new year (assuming they do), but 50 rejections of 192 regs wont hurt them at all as the cars wont be in Ireland. Cars shipped to Ireland from Zebrugge - you'll be asked to confirm if you are taking the car in advance. If you say no, it more than likely won't even make it to Ireland and be allocated to the UK or potentially someone who ordered later in Ireland.

I'd be interested to know how many orders in Ireland are company cars, as while personal buyers probably prefer to hold off for the new plate, companies may prefer to take the cars regardless of month to get a years depreciation write off against profits & accelerated capital allowances into accounts for 2018

dingledosser wrote: »

Any mention of which config they expect to come first? Performance, LR AWD, SR+, or a mix?

Nope, sorry

eddhorse · 27-08-2019 7:31pm

Went for a test drive today in SR+ which is what I have ordered.

Really enjoyed it, regen braking will take some getting used to but similar to my other test drive in the S in most aspects.

Still a lot of road noise, didnt notice it was that quiet. But I guess we can get some extras to help with that.
Also no mats is a weird one. Gonna have to order those separately and probably the vinyl wrap for the console area.

Boot space was pretty good, never gonna rival my current VRS estate.

Tesla sales guy was very informative, I think I've watched so many videos and listened to so many podcasts now that I knew most features.

Got an email afterwards:

Est. Delivery Timeline:
November/December 2019
Correct at time of sending. Subject to change. Exact delivery dates will be confirmed by Tesla closer to the time.

mouthful · 27-08-2019 8:17pm

I was lucky to order before the previous price increase- I am looking forward to the ongoing updates to keep my toy new. For anyone interested https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/25/tesla-full-self-driving-the-infamous-80-20-rule/

carloscorreia · 29-08-2019 9:09pm

M3 Police Car

https://insideevs.com/news/367896/bargersville-police-tesla-model-3/

cnocbui · 29-08-2019 9:15pm

carloscorreia wrote: »

M3 Police Car

https://insideevs.com/news/367896/bargersville-police-tesla-model-3/

'Shots fired? The cars recharging at the moment - hide under the bed, someone should be with you in about 3 hours.'

krissovo · 29-08-2019 10:30pm

carloscorreia wrote: »

M3 Police Car

https://insideevs.com/news/367896/bargersville-police-tesla-model-3/

Its almost the perfect car for a police patrol vehicle, fast, cheap, built in data analytics and the average range of a "city of Indy" patrol car is just shy of 200 miles... Well it was in 2007 when I worked for a IT service provider who ran their IT systems.

One of the systems we integrated with all city service vehicles like fire trucks and police cars was sensors (IOT) for all the fuel status & standard equipment they needed to carry. This increased the time vehicles could be patrolled and reduced the time they were at base doing a human handover between shifts. The Tesla systems would easily be adapted to send back data to the central database of the city without retrofitting of a bunch of kit. Bargersville was one of the cities who signed up for the IT program, I suspect the rest of the city will follow soon.

dec2000 · 29-08-2019 10:51pm

dec2000 wrote: »

Where do you find your invoice number? I ordered last week, only have the order agreement document with no invoice number.

Edit: realised I was in the UK site, changed to Ireland and an additional document is added about gray markets??

Anybody order recently? Put mine in on the 15th and still only see the order agreement. No invoice so no idea what number I am but more worried something didn't process properly?

krissovo · 30-08-2019 8:17am

The invoice is buried one layer down in a pdf on your manage your Tesla page. Download the pdf’s and you will find your invoice, interested to know what order number we are on now. Last I seen 360.

dec2000 · 30-08-2019 9:05am

krissovo wrote: »

The invoice is buried one layer down in a pdf on your manage your Tesla page. Download the pdf’s and you will find your invoice, interested to know what order number we are on now. Last I seen 360.

I only have 2 PDFs – just downloaded both again:

- Non-Core and Gray Market vehicles – just a standard document explaining where Tesla is sold officially and not (limited features etc).

- Order Agreement: this is only 4 pages: pg1 is an overview of vehicle configuration, only has the order number (which is same as my reservation number), pg 2&3 are T&Cs and pg 4 is Region Specific Provisions. No invoice number anywhere.

eddhorse · 30-08-2019 9:31am

You should have :

Booking Invoice
Order Agreement
Non-Core and Gray Market

dec2000 · 30-08-2019 10:03am

eddhorse wrote: »

You should have :

Booking Invoice
Order Agreement
Non-Core and Gray Market

Yeh no booking invoice. Might drop them a note to make sure there are no issues.

smokybacon · 30-08-2019 10:33am

eddhorse wrote: »

You should have :

Booking Invoice
Order Agreement
Non-Core and Gray Market

We had an agreement. It disappeared ages ago. Always had invoice.
Mind you we accidentally had 2 orders and they had to delete one.

skippy123! · 30-08-2019 12:33pm

Hello guys,

It seems pretty confusing all this with tax on the car so can anyone please explain? I am looking into getting a PCP deal for a long range Tesla 3 with 20 000 euro deposit on a period of 5 years if possible? How much would I need to pay monthly and what would I need to pay regarding tax? Taking black car without no extras. Thanks in advance!

sln852 · 30-08-2019 12:55pm

The Edit Design button has disappeared. First time i've seen that happen. Though i think i've read that it can come and go and there's no sign of a VIN in the source.

Mec-a-nic · 30-08-2019 1:10pm

skippy123! wrote: »

I am looking into getting a PCP deal for a long range Tesla 3 with 20 000 euro deposit on a period of 5 years if possible?

Good luck - there is no PCP in Ireland AFAIK, just financing from Tesla or your local bank. Also, there's no Long Rage model 3 available, just SR+ and Performance, so picking the former at 20k down and a 5 year loan of 32k works out about 630/month from the BoI calculator.

sln852 wrote: »

The Edit Design button has disappeared. First time i've seen that happen. Though i think i've read that it can come and go and there's no sign of a VIN in the source.

It comes and goes and no real VIN has appeared for Ireland. With Ireland getting put back to the end of this year, I wouldn't look closely again until Oct, it's not worth the disappointment.

skippy123! · 30-08-2019 1:19pm

Mec-a-nic wrote: »

Good luck - there is no PCP in Ireland AFAIK, just financing from Tesla or your local bank. Also, there's no Long Rage model 3 available, just SR+ and Performance, so picking the former at 20k down and a 5 year loan of 32k works out about 630/month from the BoI calculator

Thank you much for that... Financing is fine as well (I think even better option). What would be more advisable? Tesla financing or BOI? As well - would you know what I would need to pay in terms of import tax and all other associated taxes? Break down would really help as I am not really good with this tax stuff.

projectmayhem · 30-08-2019 1:28pm

Mec-a-nic wrote: »

Also, there's no Long Rage model 3 available, just SR+ and Performance

There is LR AWD available in Ireland, starting at €57,990.

unkel · 30-08-2019 1:41pm

Nobody in their right mind would buy it though. It will have more depreciation than the Performance, a higher total cost of ownership even.

maclek · 30-08-2019 1:46pm

Don't mean to cause any alarm, I know we've been down this road before, but I've been assigned a VIN. I know there was talk of a placeholder / temporary VIN but I can't seem to find what it is to check if that's what's happening here.

Order ~100, reservation, blue / white p-

dingledosser · 30-08-2019 1:47pm

unkel wrote: »

Nobody in their right mind would buy it though. It will have more depreciation than the Performance, a higher total cost of ownership even.

I'll bite. Why will it depreciate more?

bdogg · 30-08-2019 1:48pm

maclek wrote: »

Don't mean to cause any alarm, I know we've been down this road before, but I've been assigned a VIN. I know there was talk of a placeholder / temporary VIN but I can't seem to find what it is to check if that's what's happening here.

Order ~100, reservation, blue / white p-

Where'd you see that? You go into source code again or has it shown up on the manage section of the order in your tesla account?

unkel · 30-08-2019 2:00pm

dingledosser wrote: »

I'll bite. Why will it depreciate more?

More desirable. I'd say in 3 years time the price difference second hand will be at least the price difference when new.

Why would you spend the guts of €60k on a car when for just €4k you can have the superior model?

I've driven the AWD LR myself and it is fast. But it is not insanely fast like the P

slave1 · 30-08-2019 2:02pm

dingledosser wrote: »

I'll bite. Why will it depreciate more?

Agreed, don't think it will depreciate worse that the P version

jusmeig · 30-08-2019 2:02pm

unkel wrote: »

More desirable. I'd say in 3 years time the price difference second hand will be at least the price difference when new.

Why would you spend the guts of €60k on a car when for just €4k you can have the superior model?

I've driven the AWD LR myself and it is fast. But it is not insanely fast like the P

Because 4k financed might tip you over the edge, and you don't like 21 inch wheels?

maclek · 30-08-2019 2:05pm

bdogg wrote: »

Where'd you see that? You go into source code again or has it shown up on the manage section of the order in your tesla account?

The edit button disappeared so I went into the source code on the finalize page.

I wasn't given one during the last round of tesla messing with us.

bdogg · 30-08-2019 2:12pm

maclek wrote: »

The edit button disappeared so I went into the source code on the finalize page.

I wasn't given one during the last round of tesla messing with us.

Ah ok... let's hope this isn't another false alarm.

I'm order # .....245. My edit button disappeared last round of getting hopes up. Grey, Performance config.

My edit button still showing today.

dingledosser · 30-08-2019 2:14pm

jusmeig wrote: »

Because 4k financed might tip you over the edge, and you don't like 21 inch wheels?

That's kinda where I am. I've ordered SR+, but debating with myself whether I can scramble together another €8k (I'm paying cash) for the practicality of longer range and AWD. Scrambling together €12k is out of the question though, especially just for more acceleration.

Lumen · 30-08-2019 2:31pm

unkel wrote: »

Nobody in their right mind would buy it though. It will have more depreciation than the Performance, a higher total cost of ownership even.

The Performance has lower range, worse ride quality, more cabin noise, higher cost of tyres and brake servicing and no option for a trailer hitch unless you are happy to hack away at rear bumper to fit one aftermarket.

Mike9832 · 30-08-2019 2:31pm

dingledosser wrote: »

That's kinda where I am. I've ordered SR+, but debating with myself whether I can scramble together another €8k (I'm paying cash) for the practicality of longer range and AWD. Scrambling together €12k is out of the question though, especially just for more acceleration.

That 12k has way more range, much higher charge speed among other things

Personally I think SR+ is overpriced

Battery is too small for €48,000

It's only 52-54kWh useable ( the new Renault Zoe for €25,000 has the same size battery )

It will depreciate alot more if your are selling on in a few years imo

73-75kWh battery in LR/P is well worth the extra cash

sln852 · 30-08-2019 2:48pm

ok i did the product-finalize page switch and there are 2 VIN references on that page in the source. Not sure if it's a placeholder and if the Teslarati article on decoding VIN numbers is to be believed then the 10th digit is the model year and mines a 'K' which going on the article means 2020.

sln852 · 30-08-2019 2:48pm

Link https://www.teslarati.com/decoding-tesla-model-3-vin/

unkel · 30-08-2019 2:52pm

Lumen wrote: »

The Performance has lower range, worse ride quality, more cabin noise, higher cost of tyres and brake servicing and no option for a trailer hitch unless you are happy to hack away at rear bumper to fit one aftermarket.

I'd change the wheels for smaller ones before I even drove it. That solves all those problems. And the range is only lower if you drive it harder. And range in our small Ireland from a 77kWh battery is more than plenty. When you can charge at the supercharger and Ionity - faster than any other car in the world

And brake servicing, in an EV? Seriously? I'd say only if you race it on a track regularly!

In most other countries the price difference is €10k. In Ireland SR+ and AWD LR are both overpriced imho

slave1 · 30-08-2019 3:01pm

unkel wrote: »

In most other countries the price difference is €10k. In Ireland SR+ and AWD LR are both overpriced imho

Agree with that, the LR should be at least another €4k cheaper than the P and the SR+ should be less than what it is now, I've never really looked as SR+ pricing because if I could afford the SR+ then the LR is a no brainer

Lumen · 30-08-2019 3:05pm

unkel wrote: »

I'd change the wheels for smaller ones before I even drove it. That solves all those problems.

Yeah, but if you do the maths, swapping wheels stretches the price difference. And it's still a ballache because there is some uncertainty over whether the smaller wheels fit (a subject I've researched extensively but is too boring to go into). And you're still stuck with no trailer hitch. Which might not be an issue for you, but I quite fancy sticking my bike rack out back and doing a zero exhaust emissions family road trip out west somewhere. I don't want to have to take my crappy ICE car or faff around with suction cups on the roof.

Of course, maybe I'm the only one who thinks like this and the depreciation will be worse, but that wouldn't sway me.

Buying things for future resale is an utterly miserable way of living one's short life, in my subjective opinion.

projectmayhem · 30-08-2019 3:08pm

Lumen wrote: »

Yeah, but if you do the maths, swapping wheels stretches the price difference. And it's still a ballache because there is some uncertainty over whether the smaller wheels fit (a subject I've researched extensively but is too boring to go into). And you're still stuck with no trailer hitch. Which might not be an issue for you, but I quite fancy sticking my bike rack out back and doing a zero exhaust emissions family road trip out west somewhere. I don't want to have to take my crappy ICE car or faff around with suction cups on the roof.

Of course, maybe I'm the only one who thinks like this and the depreciation will be worse, but that wouldn't sway me.

Buying things for future resale is an utterly miserable way of living one's short life, in my subjective opinion.

FWIW I ordered the AWD LR. Steered clear of the P for most the reasons listed above, but even with the extra few grand, I'd rather get FSD than go for a P.

Not that bothered by the price depreciation. It's a car. It'll have lost 10% the second you roll out of Sandyford in it!

unkel · 30-08-2019 3:23pm

Lumen wrote: »

And you're still stuck with no trailer hitch. Which might not be an issue for you, but I quite fancy sticking my bike rack out back

If the hitch is a must, then yeah, the P would be a bad choice

Lumen wrote: »

Yeah, but if you do the maths, swapping wheels stretches the price difference.

I'd take off the big wheels before driving it and sell them on and buy smaller wheels. Could make a bit of money back actually. Bigger wheels are usually worth more. But surely there would be very little in it either way.

Lumen wrote: »

And it's still a ballache because there is some uncertainty over whether the smaller wheels fit

They fit. Did you check out Nyland's videos on this? It was the first thing he did too on his Performance

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