Young wans nowadays

ILoveYourVibes · 28-08-2019 12:04AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

We'll never know what's going on, because unfortunately social media is rearing our children.. hard to hear I know,but it's true.

T.V raised my parents generation. They watch hrs of it.:pac:

Sofiztikated · 28-08-2019 12:12AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

We'll never know what's going on, because unfortunately social media is rearing our children.. hard to hear I know,but it's true.

Town and Country Magazine, 1771 wrote:

Whither are the manly vigor and athletic appearance of our forefathers flown? Can these be their legitimate heirs? Surely, no; a race of effeminate, self-admiring, emaciated fribbles can never have descended in a direct line from the heroes of Potiers and Agincourt...

Memoirs of the Bloomsgroove family, 1790 wrote:

The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?

The older generation never have a clue whats going on with the children.

the-island-man · 28-08-2019 12:14AM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Would people agree? And what advice would you give to someone looking to make an adult out of someone in their late teens or early 20s now?

I'm in my early 30's and just became a father last year so not sure if I fit in your demographic.

I feel in terms of my working life so far I have worked very hard to get where I am. I spent four years in college doing an average of 36 hours or greater per week while living at home and working full-time during the summers. I now get a decent salary working as a Software Engineer although the tax we pay is ridiculous. I have also had the good fortune to work abroad for 3 years.

I think what made me so determined is the summer jobs I had during secondary school and college. I worked in a Supermarket, a hardware, a wholesaler and briefly on a building site. I worked days, evenings, weekends and a couple of nights. Dealing with the public, working odd hours and often doing ****ty work made me realise I didn't want to do that kind of work for the rest of my life.

In saying the above I also have no respect or loyalty for any company I work for. My belief and I realise this is nothing personal on the company's behalf - if the company needs to get rid of you in the morning to survive the decision won't be given a second thought. Likewise if I see a new opportunity that would be better for me financially or for my development I will jump ship.

Finally I think a good thing if you are trying to make an adult out of someone it's a good idea to teach them practical skills. I don't think I got thought much by my father when I was young and I'm only learning DIY skills by trial and error in the last couple of years.

28-08-2019 07:10AM

the-island-man wrote: »

I'm in my early 30's and just became a father last year so not sure if I fit in your demographic.

I feel in terms of my working life so far I have worked very hard to get where I am. I spent four years in college doing an average of 36 hours or greater per week while living at home and working full-time during the summers. I now get a decent salary working as a Software Engineer although the tax we pay is ridiculous. I have also had the good fortune to work abroad for 3 years.

I think what made me so determined is the summer jobs I had during secondary school and college. I worked in a Supermarket, a hardware, a wholesaler and briefly on a building site. I worked days, evenings, weekends and a couple of nights. Dealing with the public, working odd hours and often doing ****ty work made me realise I didn't want to do that kind of work for the rest of my life.

In saying the above I also have no respect or loyalty for any company I work for. My belief and I realise this is nothing personal on the company's behalf - if the company needs to get rid of you in the morning to survive the decision won't be given a second thought. Likewise if I see a new opportunity that would be better for me financially or for my development I will jump ship.

Finally I think a good thing if you are trying to make an adult out of someone it's a good idea to teach them practical skills. I don't think I got thought much by my father when I was young and I'm only learning DIY skills by trial and error in the last couple of years.

You’re certainly not the type I was referring to! Fair play. A lot of people think this is me being a crotchety aul fella. I don’t think it is, because when I was 50 I was old enough to think like that but it was only in the last few years I’ve seen this in young people. I meet them in different spheres, employ a few, rent houses to a number of them and am involved in a sporting organization with others. The difference in a few years is huge. Btw social media is definitely part of the reason.

Tired Gardener · 28-08-2019 07:20AM

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Socrates (469–399 B.C.)

facehugger99 · 28-08-2019 07:20AM

They're on social media 24/7, telling each other how difficult they have it.

It's a very difficult cycle to break.

elefant · 28-08-2019 07:27AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

The older generation never have a clue whats going on with the children.

'Emaciated fribble' is a tremendous turn of phrase.

Sugarlumps · 28-08-2019 09:08AM

Only have contact with the younger generation through work, mostly dumb broads. Phone permanently glued on. Unable to make simple decisions.

Edgware · 28-08-2019 09:11AM

dhaughton99 wrote: »

I was only thinking about this the other day. I’m in a small estate and the Vietnamese girl 3 doors down bought herself a small car over the weekend. Passed her test last week. She’s no more than 17. The Africans are all going to college and working part time and playing in bands etc. The natives are all pissing around either on the dole, dealing or living off their parents and playing video games. None of them seem to have any ‘get up and go’. Just waiting to get some yolk pregnant so they can go on a list.

That may be the case in some localties as regards natives. But there are thousands of young Irish getting highly educated and developing great careers. There are thousands not necessarily ging the third level route but working hard developing themselves and advancing their careers also. I agree wth the commens as regards the childre of immigrants. Their parents are working in "ordinary" jobs but they are making sure that their kids are taking the
educational oportunities. If anyone doubts this just check out the local newspapers that report Student of the year, Science stdent of the year, Young Scientist exhibition etc.
Invariably you will find the East Euroean or African names mentioned

28-08-2019 10:00AM

Most of the young people i encounter are find and far more confident that I was at that age, a young person I know graduated and while being a very hard worker has a slight attitude of unless the job suits me I am not doing it, or I would like that job but i am not doing shift.

Being that confident is good, but expecting the world to change to suit them instead of realising that may have to make compromises is not a good thing.

The reason that is important is that its often at the root of anxiety and mental health issues.

How can 40% of young people have severe anxiety?

El_Duderino 09 · 28-08-2019 10:08AM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

A lot of people think this is me being a crotchety aul fella. I don’t think it is, because when I was 50 I was old enough to think like that but it was only in the last few years I’ve seen this in young people. I meet them in different spheres, employ a few, rent houses to a number of them and am involved in a sporting organization with others. The difference in a few years is huge. Btw social media is definitely part of the reason.

Do you said you think young people changedm, en mass, in about 2009. What else changed in 2009?

I wonder if it's even occurred to you that people who were young in 2009 have a completely different set of prospects from old people. Owning a house, having wage growth over a career, career progression, paying more in rent to old people than any geberation has ever paid before. The first 3 are less likely than ever before, the 4th is a certainly.

Young people haven't had fewer prospects than their parents for a few generations, but here we are. Young people are paying unreasonable rent to pay for old people's properties. They're literally buying old people's investments for them, while getting lower pay and almost no wage growth relative to previous generations.

Young people have never had less to gain by bursting their balls paying for other people's investment property, being paid less and getting buckets of abuse from old people.

The social contract has been broken

ToxicPaddy · 28-08-2019 10:16AM

Get a lot of interns and grads in the office and its a mixed bunch tbh.

Most in fairness are intelligent, mannerly and focussed on work. They want to learn and are not afraid of hard work which is definitely nice to see.

A few are complete write offs, sick days like nobodies business, no clue about hard work and a serious sense of entitlement. But in saying that when I was their age I wasnt exactly the most focussed person and many did write me off, but I learned over time and managed to carve a career out.

Many parents seem to shelter their kids from the big bad world a little too much and when they go out into it as adults, they are pretty much clueless how it works. They see social media influencers and think that's how it really is, so you kinda have to open their eyes a little and then judge the results.

FAILSAFE 00 · 28-08-2019 10:21AM

They feel and are told by peers that the world must change to suit them. Not that the world is the way it is and they must be resilient and push on/through to achieve their goals.

KungPao · 28-08-2019 10:22AM

A mixture of mollycoddling (for the luckier ones) and layabouts welfare parents who couldn’t be arsed raising their kids has ****ed with their development.
Can’t say boo to a kid now without it being branded abuse. Internet access for all ages hasn’t helped.

super_furry · 28-08-2019 10:22AM

This take on young people being entitled, lazy and too soft is brand new and has never happened before.

It certainly isn't repeated every by single generation of old people throughout history who have always bemoaned the young.

This is a fun read - 15 Historical Complaints About Young People Ruining Everything
https://mentalfloss.com/article/52209/15-historical-complaints-about-young-people-ruining-everything

It includes some pissy oul lad from 20BC whinging; "Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt."

28-08-2019 10:23AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Do you said you think young people changedm, en mass, in about 2009. What else changed in 2009?

I wonder if it's even occurred to you that people who were young in 2009 have a completely different set of prospects from old people. Owning a house, having wage growth over a career, career progression, paying more in rent to old people than any geberation has ever paid before. The first 3 are less likely than ever before, the 4th is a certainly.

Young people haven't had fewer prospects than their parents for a few generations, but here we are. Young people are paying unreasonable rent to pay for old people's properties. They're literally buying old people's investments for them, while getting lower pay and almost no wage growth relative to previous generations.

Young people have never had less to gain by bursting their balls paying for other people's investment property, being paid less and getting buckets of abuse from old people.

The social contract has been broken

That is true about material things, but how come someone in there twenties and even thirties can say I am not mature enough to get married, I would not have a clue about looking after a baby ect and think its either find to tell people that or think it funny.

How come in say the space of say 40 years people have become deskilled from a situation where a young person was brought up with the skills and abilities to look after children and run a home in their twenties, to a situation wher its perfectly acceptable to say they are too immature to be married or look aftre a baby and for it to be fine to say that

Something must have happened.

How come in the space of say 40 years

Dramatik · 28-08-2019 10:30AM

I'm a mature student and the other students in my class average age of 21 are very well put together, I was actually quite surprised, they are extremely hard working. There ain't no snowflakes in my class anyway most are in college till 8 or 9pm, if they aren't working that day and there's even a good few of us that regularly come in on Saturday, work permitting.

super_furry · 28-08-2019 10:32AM

mariaalice wrote: »

How come in the space of say 40 years

40 years ago they'd have the security and safety of having their own property long term. You could, after a few years in full time employment, have saved enough for a deposit and could get a mortgage and afford the repayments.

If not there was plenty of social housing that could be relied upon and would be there as a long-term and secure base from which you could plan your life.

When people can't get a mortgage and can't afford to save one because the average rent is over €2,000 a month, they don't have the long-term security to start planning to have kids - nevermind the fact that most of their money is spent on providing for themselves, so they can't afford to provide for a kid.

40-years ago a household could run of the wage of one person. That's not the case now and childcare costs are tipping to €1,000 a month. You need both parents working and the second wage is already half gone on childcare.

I'm 40 now and I can see that someone in their 20s starting out their career has no chance. It's not that they 'can't look after babies' - no-one can until they have to, it's the biggest crash course in the world - it's more a case that they can't afford to have babies, so why even think about it?

28-08-2019 10:34AM

Dramatik wrote: »

I'm a mature student and the other students in my class average age of 21 are very well put together, I was actually quite surprised, they are extremely hard working. There ain't no snowflakes in my class anyway most are in college till 8 or 9pm, if they aren't working that day and there's even a good few of us that regularly come in on Saturday, work permitting.

That is very true its not about hard work, its about confidence in there own life which is often an inner thing so not obvious sometimes.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-08-2019 10:34AM

mariaalice wrote: »

That is true about material things, but how come someone in there twenties and even thirties can say I am not mature enough to get married, I would not have a clue about looking after a baby ect and think its either find to tell people that or think it funny.

How come in say the space of say 40 years people have become deskilled from a situation where a young person was brought up with the skills and abilities to look after children and run a home in their twenties, to a situation wher its perfectly acceptable to say they are too immature to be married or look aftre a baby and for it to be fine to say that

Something must have happened.

How come in the space of say 40 years

My FIL says they didn't have a clue about having children either. MIL had younger siblings do she had done experience. They just muddled through as best they could. He tells me that we can expect to make bad decisions as parents and there are lots of ways of parenting, the the only thing you HAVE to do is love the children. They Made mistakes, made good decisions and learned as they went. That's what everyone does, isn't it?

That a what they tell me anyway.

super_furry · 28-08-2019 10:35AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That a what they tell me anyway.

And that's exactly it. I've an 18-month-old and another one on the way. Hadn't a clue what I was doing at the start and am still learning every day.

Tchaikovsky · 28-08-2019 10:41AM

Don't we have the same thread going at the moment, talking about severe anxiety in students?

28-08-2019 10:42AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

My FIL says they didn't have a clue about having children either. MIL had younger siblings do she had done experience. They just muddled through as best they could. He tells me that we can expect to make bad decisions as parents and there are lots of ways of parenting, the the only thing you HAVE to do is love the children. They Made mistakes, made good decisions and learned as they went. That's what everyone does, isn't it?

That a what they tell me anyway.

Of course, but its more the lack of embarssemet at saying they are too immature int their 20s or even 30s that is a big change. Now maybe people though it 40 years ago but they would not say that in public as society reflect to the person that they were an adult by their 20s with adult responsibility.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-08-2019 10:46AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Of course, but its more the lack of embarssemet at saying they are too immature int their 20s or even 30s that is a big change. Now maybe people though it 40 years ago but they would not say that in public as society reflect to the person that they were an adult by their 20s with adult responsibility.

I wonder if being told they're gobshytes by old people, at every turn, is having the most obvious effect.

is_that_so · 28-08-2019 10:49AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I wonder if being told they're gobshytes by old people, at every turn, is having the most obvious effect.

Which may be a response to what they are calling older people!

El_Duderino 09 · 28-08-2019 11:00AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Which may be a response to what they are calling older people!

What are they calling old people?

jmayo · 28-08-2019 11:13AM

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Firstly I’m auld enough.
Fifteen years or so ago I thought young people coming up were very impressive, very hard working, quite clever, generous to others.
Now it seems to have turned, they want things handy, have a real sense of entitlement, very easily upset and crucially not a bit resilient.

Now don’t get me wrong, of course there were young people with these traits and ones without them now, but generally the point is true.

Would people agree? And what advice would you give to someone looking to make an adult out of someone in their late teens or early 20s now?

Comfort can often breed laziness and complacency.
And life has got more comfortable for a hell of a lot of people in Ireland on the whole.

When I was in school and in college in late 70s, 80s and early 90s, we didn't expect a lot from this country.
Most people, especially in the West, expected to have to at least leave their local area if not the country.
Everyone did not expect third level education.

You didn't expect to be able to buy a new/newish car until you were working for quite a while.
You didn't expect to be able to go on foreign breaks/holidays.
I knew no one that got to go abroad to celebrate leaving cert unless you count working on the buildings in London or the Chunnel.

Now saying that some things were easier.
If you did get to college it was easier and cheaper to live away from home.
If you did get to college you had much better chance of good job as there was way less competition.

And if people did get a job they could afford to move out and even get a mortgage at younger age.
Now of course mortgage rates were indeed high.

Although this does lead me on to another point about more recent generations.
Modern generations expect when they do buy a property to be able to full furnish it from day one, they still expect to be able to afford a nice car and the foreign holidays.
Years ago a property purchase meant you often went without those things for a number of years until "you got on your feet".

Life was simple in many ways, there wasn't this constant need to be "online".
There wasn't this constant need to be putting yourself out there to be judged.

28-08-2019 11:16AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What are they calling old people?

They are the cause of high property prices, pampered by the politicians becasue they vote, massive pensions, hoging 3/4-bed houses when they should be happy in a small apartment and give the 3 bed to a family and so on.

28-08-2019 11:17AM

O and free bus passes.

nthclare · 28-08-2019 11:18AM

It's very simple.

We grow older we're in our 40' mid 40's in my case.

I'm still in the same business I was when I finished college, looking after parklands, horticulture and tree management.

I'm older wiser and clued in, it took year's of learning about myself, humanity and my quirks and other people's quirks.
Dealing with different personalities, people dealing with my personality....

I'm not as physically fit as I was in the 90's but I'm much more clever and logical with my approach.

It's all about experience, when I was out of college I made mistakes, pissed off bosses for being slower, struggling at times.
Different emotional upheavals, break ups, my son getting very Sick.

Being a bit moody or quite, not firing to my potential...

But my superiors understood a young guys struggles throughout their 20's and thirties.

They let me flourish and learn by my mistakes.

Now I'm standing on my own two feet, running my own department my mentors have retired.

Now I'm managing a new generation of people, and I know they'll be ok as long as they're left to learn their own way.

Push them when they need it without being a dickhead.

After all we've all had to grow up

Young wans nowadays

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