Young wans nowadays

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Firstly I’m auld enough.
Fifteen years or so ago I thought young people coming up were very impressive, very hard working, quite clever, generous to others.
Now it seems to have turned, they want things handy, have a real sense of entitlement, very easily upset and crucially not a bit resilient.

Now don’t get me wrong, of course there were young people with these traits and ones without them now, but generally the point is true.

Would people agree? And what advice would you give to someone looking to make an adult out of someone in their late teens or early 20s now?

You're going to get a lot of posts saying it has always been the same. The older generation always admonish the next saying they are lazy etc.

For every lazy article I see there's another grafting to get ahead.

edit - 15 years ago I was that young person coming up.

Lovely arses though....

tastyt wrote: »

Lovely arses though....

There must be something in the water.

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Now it seems to have turned, they want things handy, have a real sense of entitlement, very easily upset and crucially not a bit resilient.

in their late teens or early 20s now?

I am just a bit above that.

You have certainly hit upon my insecurities.

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Firstly I’m auld enough.
Fifteen years or so ago I thought young people coming up were very impressive, very hard working, quite clever, generous to others.
Now it seems to have turned, they want things handy, have a real sense of entitlement, very easily upset and crucially not a bit resilient.

Now don’t get me wrong, of course there were young people with these traits and ones without them now, but generally the point is true.

Would people agree? And what advice would you give to someone looking to make an adult out of someone in their late teens or early 20s now?

Probably look to ancient philosophy. There's a lot we can learn about today form ancient times. I hope you agree.

Here are some practical examples "I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint".
(Hesiod, 8th century BC)

And here's another one.

"The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are tyrants, not servants of the households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize over their teachers.'
(Commonly attributed to SOCRATES by Plato)

So what can we learn from this? Old people always whinge about how the young people are gobshytes/pussies/sacks/eejits/fools but that's more a function of being old than any insiteful commentary on young people.

Best thing to do is blame young people and don't question whether maybe you made any mistakes in raising your son.

In short; the world hasn't changed, you haven't changed, all the young people have changed.

ArchXStanton wrote: »

They lack true grit.. I look at the older men in my family, theyre hardy as be fcuked, same with the women, for all this supposed strong independent women bull****, the older crowd seemed to be much stronger mentally and dealing with things

So do you think those people were always hardy and strong mentally and able to deal with things? Maybe they're skills people learn over time.

Every generation thinks The old people are hardy and young people are rubbish.

So either young people are always lesser than their parents, or young people grow into old people an then complain about how young people are rubbish.

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

People have changed but it doesn’t seem to be in a good way. Huge amount of mental illness now, particularly anxiety, less practical skills among young men as anyone trying to hire lads will know. Youngsters don’t seem to be able to get it together, living at home firstly because they had no money in the latter years of the recession, now because rent is too dear, always think they have it very hard.
Had lads working for me around 04 to 07 and honestly there was never really a problem with them. A few could be hanging on a Monday but they’d be there for sure and get on with things.

I blame the parents.

We all went through recessions, many multiple times. If I didn't have a weekend job at 16 I wasn't getting new clothes, going out, going anywhere. Spend the summer on my arse playing video games or spend 5 days working and enjoying the rest. I don't remember the last time I saw young fellas going door to door washing cars, windows, doing gardens. There's easy cash to be made as a 12 year old,.they just couldn't be arsed.

The way you know this is just old people bitching about young people is because every generation of old people have the same complaints about young people, but they never conclude that they were a generation of bad parents. It's never their fault for raising an entire generation of rubbish children.

So it's clearly just a phenomenon of getting old. You start to notice faults in the young people that you didn't notice in young people when you were young.

Whinging about young people is just a function of getting old. There have to.be some perks of getting old and and weak and having to p1ss 4 times a night. At least the young people are eejits amiright?

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That is the golden lesson i think we need to tell young people.

That's what I took from it. If every generation sees old people as hardy and young people as pussies, then either;
A. People Are progressively turning into pussies and you're a pussy compared to your parent. Your parent's a pussy compared to your grandparent. Your grand parent was a pussy compared to your great grand parent and so on.

B. Young people turn into old people and develop skills over time which they forget they didn't always have.

Which one's more likely seems obvious to me.

zapper55 wrote: »

I'm twenty years older than the 20 year olds starting work in my office. Nothing entitled about the ones I've met, just hard working. The only difference I notice is they seek more feedback on their work and development of their skills than their older colleagues. They are definitely more emotionally intelligent than I was at that age. I didnt have a notion. I still don't

My boss says i am better with clients than anyone at the office.

Only i suspect she is just saying that only to build me up and then double the effects of dumping on me later.:pac: