Violent Protests In Hong Kong.

Kimsang · 23-08-2019 11:23pm

greencap wrote: »

1c2s is changing to 1c1s.

and theres absolutely nothing you can do about it. :pac:

If this happens, China is not just shooting itself in the foot, but blowing an entire half of it's body off. China's economy would just about collapse and a world wide recession wouldn't be far behind. People in HK know this, and they know sending in PLA is an empty threat.

Honest question, would you call yourself a communist? or a marxist?

Yurt2 · 24-08-2019 12:04am

Kimsang wrote: »

If this happens, China is not just shooting itself in the foot, but blowing an entire half of it's body off. China's economy would just about collapse and a world wide recession wouldn't be far behind. People in HK know this, and they know sending in PLA is an empty threat.

I think this is why we're seeing the shrill and obnoxious embassy astroturfed protests in Western cities. I genuinely believe that if the CCP thought intervention could be done without drawing the scorn of the entire world on them, they would have done so weeks ago.

The sound of the 'pro-police' (re: ultra-nationalist) counter-protestors in London, Dublin, Sydney etc, is the howl of indignation at the realisation that the CCP will be held accountable in this situation outside of the borders of the PRC. They are unchallenged within their own borders, and get very angry indeed that they can't act with impunity.

There's also the burning anger of the sight of ethnic Chinese, nominally within their sovereign territory, openly defying them in huge numbers. It's a massive reality check for them on a number of levels, and they don't like it one bit.

Atlantic Dawn · 24-08-2019 12:19am

I can't really understand the protests, it's part of China since GB gave it back in 1997, anyone living there who had a problem with that concept should have fooked out clear of the place.

greencap · 24-08-2019 12:38am

Kimsang wrote: »

If this happens, China is not just shooting itself in the foot, but blowing an entire half of it's body off. China's economy would just about collapse and a world wide recession wouldn't be far behind. People in HK know this, and they know sending in PLA is an empty threat.

Honest question, would you call yourself a communist? or a marxist?

No, neither.

Its not about who has the better regime, or more success, or a more humane track record.

This is ONE country, and its under no obligation to obey some old nonsense compromise signed with colonial thieves and that cnt Thatcher.

Those people in that one territory, which is a constituent part of the nation, have no right to dictate separate rules for themselves. To elect to take or dictate rules in a chunk of China.

And no, HK constitutes around 2% of China's economy at this point, after a long consistent downward trajectory.

When I look at Beijing something tells me that they'll manage. They may possibly have planned ahead.
No need to send in the PLA, they've been re-organizing the corporate/economic environment. Money talks. Slow and steady. Whats a couple of months when you've strategically waited for decades.

Finally to end my rant I'd like to point out that for China to wait til 2047 would send out a message of compliance, obedience. Ikkle China doing what its told.

I believe China fully intends not only to defy the terms of Thatchers agreement (which they shouldn't have even had to sign in the first place), but also wants the whole world to see them wipe their knob on the agreement.

Something they absolutely should do.

greencap · 24-08-2019 12:40am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I can't really understand the protests, it's part of China since GB gave it back in 1997, anyone living there who had a problem with that concept should have fooked out clear of the place.

Oh thank god.

I thought I'd been transported to bizarro world for a minute there.

Kimsang · 24-08-2019 1:01am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I can't really understand the protests, it's part of China since GB gave it back in 1997, anyone living there who had a problem with that concept should have fooked out clear of the place.

They weren't allowed. Under the two party system they were allowed to live in the UK a maximum of 6 months out of the year I believe. Where else could they legally emigrate to? Perhaps if they had left between 1984 when it was announced and before 1997 when these rules were first implemented. But what about people born after 1997? They are now 22 maximum, or anyone who was a child at this time could now be anything up to 30 years old. It has been noted how many young protestors there are. They have no choice.

Knowing this would you please withdraw the comment that they 'should have fooked out clear of the place'?

I believe the 6 months stipulation was advocated by China, to prevent the very exodus of which you speak.

Communist countries have walls at their borders not to keep people out, but to keep people in. I hope that scares you. That should scare you. It scares me.

24-08-2019 1:08am

greencap wrote: »

It means you go on like an excitable gossiping schoolgirl.

F.O. clown.

You are a cheeky little propagandist.

greencap · 24-08-2019 1:11am

Deleted User wrote: »

You are a cheeky little propagandist.

Did you not read the mod warning about the cards.

Theres no more time for such shtposts. Take your personal opinions and sho...

24-08-2019 1:16am

greencap wrote: »

Did you not read the mod warning about the cards.

Theres no more time for such shtposts. Take your personal opinions and sho...

Well your opinion is blatantly wrong. The people of Hong Kong have been doing sterling work. I would ****ing hate to be under the rule of a low life mass murderer like Winnie the Pooh (Xi). The creeping fascism in China is very concerning.

greencap · 24-08-2019 1:31am

Deleted User wrote: »

Well your opinion is blatantly wrong. The people of Hong Kong have been doing sterling work. I would ****ing hate to be under the rule of a low life mass murderer like Winnie the Pooh (Xi). The creeping fascism in China is very concerning.

Right. So because you would ****ing hate to be under the rule of a low life mass murderer like Winnie the Pooh, and because the creeping fascism in China is very concerning that makes Chinas territorial and political claim to land on its coast void.

Sorry China. The Dazzler from boards has decided that you dont get to say how your own country is run because you're not up to Dazzlers 2am standards.

24-08-2019 1:35am

greencap wrote: »

Right. So because you would ****ing hate to be under the rule of a low life mass murderer like Winnie the Pooh, and because the creeping fascism in China is very concerning that makes Chinas territorial and political claim to land on its coast void.

Sorry China. The Dazzler from boards has decided that you dont get to say how your own country is run because you're not up to Dazzlers 2am standards.

I'm sure China would like to have the west turn a blind eye whilst they crush the Hong Kong people. You are a GREAT cheeky monkey for the homeland:)

Atlantic Dawn · 24-08-2019 1:36am

Kimsang wrote: »

They weren't allowed. Under the two party system they were allowed to live in the UK a maximum of 6 months out of the year I believe. Where else could they legally emigrate to?

A flight to Oireland or UK and dump their passport in the toilet en route, easy fix or just fly in to either country and declare yourself as a fella fellaette not finding HK cool anymore or play any type of 100 plus discrimination cards that will get you in to the EU.

Kimsang · 24-08-2019 1:45am

greencap wrote: »

And no, HK constitutes around 2% of China's economy at this point, after a long consistent downward trajectory.

I think you have made your position pretty clear, and there's no changing your mind because of... history... but I implore you to think about people under 30 years old in Hong Kong who have never known anything but freedom, wealth and safety now being threatened by a communist regime, they never had a choice to leave.

Your point about HKs contribution to China's economy is moot considering that's largely how money flows in and out of China. It literally loses its biggest hub to the outside world.

The Stock Exchange of Hong Kong is Asia's third-largest in terms of market capitalization behind the Tokyo Stock Exchange and Shanghai Stock Exchange, and the fourth single largest stock market in the world. As of 2018, it has 2,315 listed companies with a combined market capitalization of HK$29.9 trillion.[1] It is reported as the fastest growing stock exchange in Asia.

Take a look at this list of companies from the HKEX and see how many are Chinese companies there are

Chinese companies will no longer have a fair stock exchange to funnel money in and out of China.

Unlike the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, the Shanghai Stock Exchange is still not entirely open to foreign investors and often manipulated by the decisions of the central government. This is due to tight capital account controls exercised by the Chinese mainland authorities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Stock_Exchange

dwayneshintzy · 24-08-2019 1:49am

Irish people sitting at home telling ethnically Chinese people in Hong Kong that they don't know what's for their own good, their protests have no valid concern and that they hope the PLA roll in and start a massacre is the worst sort of paternalist, authoritarian nonsense.

Kimsang · 24-08-2019 1:53am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A flight to Oireland or UK and dump their passport in the toilet en route, easy fix or just fly in to either country and declare yourself as a fella fellaette not finding HK cool anymore or play any type of 100 plus discrimination cards that will get you in to the EU.

People in Hong Kong are mostly pretty wealthy, and would not put up with nonsense like that. I'm sure they would much prefer to do things legally.

Atlantic Dawn · 24-08-2019 1:56am

Kimsang wrote: »

People in Hong Kong are mostly pretty wealthy, and would not put up with nonsense like that. I'm sure they would much prefer to do things legally.

If they have that level of money they should either get out of the place or live by Chinese rules.

dwayneshintzy · 24-08-2019 1:59am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If they have that level of money they should either get out of the place or live by Chinese rules.

But Hong Kong literally has different rules to China.

Yurt2 · 24-08-2019 8:10am

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

But Hong Kong literally has different rules to China.

This was new information to him up until a few days ago so it still hasn't sunk in yet.

Gatling · 24-08-2019 10:31am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If they have that level of money they should either get out of the place or live by Chinese rules.

Have you suggested that about people who live in northern Ireland?

greencap · 24-08-2019 11:46am

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

But Hong Kong literally has different rules to China.

You mean to the rest of China.

And thats going to change. Sure

Will it interfere with some peoples lives/plans? Sure.
Will it be bad for the economy? Yes very probably.

But these are side issues.
This land is owned by the Chinese people and govt, how they choose to run it is their choice alone, and shouldnt be ... and wont be... influenced by the preferences of a dead thatcher and a dead empire.

greencap · 24-08-2019 11:50am

Yurt! wrote: »

This was new information to him up until a few days ago so it still hasn't sunk in yet.

It really wasnt. And again ill remind you, dont try the low road on this one, you cant win.

greencap · 24-08-2019 11:52am

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sure China would like to have the west turn a blind eye whilst they crush the Hong Kong people. You are a GREAT cheeky monkey for the homeland:)

Mods... does the constant name calling have to continue.

Yurt2 · 24-08-2019 11:55am

greencap wrote: »

It really wasnt. And again ill remind you, dont try the low road on this one, you cant win.

You were proven in this very thread to have known next to nothing about it.

Bluffer. Troll. Bully. Authoritarian fetishist obsessed with violence and weaponry.

"Salty tears" "Boots on necks" high road indeed.

greencap · 24-08-2019 12:13pm

Yurt! wrote: »

You were proven in this very thread to have known next to nothing about it.

Bluffer. Troll. Bully. Authoritarian fetishist obsessed with violence and weaponry.

"Salty tears" "Boots on necks" high road indeed.

well no, you found one incorrct date and a missing punctuation space.
then asked me about green hats.

as with every second person still around today i would have watched the handover on the news back in 97. also lately i watched some videos on the history of hk, and ive been generally aware of the basics of whats going on there for some decades. and of course ive been repeatedly reading about the place in the newspapers/online lately.

that you might be more interested in the finer details doesnt cancel out the fundamentals.

btw i found one little detail interesting. Hollywood road was the sort of unofficial/cultural barrier within HK which divided the island in two. One side for the white/europeans/elite and the other side squalid poverty for the serf native chinese/non-whites.

Yurt2 · 24-08-2019 12:21pm

greencap wrote: »

well no, you found one incorrct date and a missing punctuation space.
then asked me about green hats.

as with every second person still around today i would have watched the handover on the news back in 97. also lately i watched some videos on the history of hk, and ive been generally aware of the basics of whats going on there for some decades. and of course ive been repeatedly reading about the place in the newspapers/online lately.

that you might be more interested in the finer details doesnt cancel out the fundamentals.

btw i found one little detail interesting. Hollywood road was the sort of unofficial/cultural barrier within HK which divided the island in two. One side for the white/europeans/elite and the other side squalid poverty for the serf native chinese/non-whites.

People can read the thread you know. You didn't have a clue about its contents, the context it was negotiated in, the year it was signed, and the fact it's an international treaty deposited at the UN.

Aye your Latin and spelling is sh*te. Wouldn't have pointed it out only that you were trying to be a smartar*se when you were and are proven to be wrong throughout the whole thread.

Go look up what to wear a green hat is in Chinese for yourself, for fear you might learn something. Congratulations on your Wikipedia binge btw, I guess it's a start.

greencap · 24-08-2019 12:25pm

Yurt! wrote: »

People can read the thread you know. You didn't have a clue about it's contents, the context it was negotiated in, the year it was signed, and the fact it's an international treaty deposited at the UN.

Aye your Latin and spelling is sh*te. Wouldn't have pointed it out only that you were trying to be a smartar*se when you were and are proven to be wrong throughout the whole thread.

Go look up what to wear a green hat is in Chinese for yourself, for fear you might learn something. Congratulations on your Wikipedia binge btw, I guess it's a start.

no i dont think i will thanks.

Vincent van Gogh · 24-08-2019 4:11pm

terribly poor events but so emboldening to witness the bravery of these men and women, boys and girls, to fight such a gargantuan task that is their fight for freedom. they have everything to gain and everything to lose.

24-08-2019 4:34pm

Vincent van Gogh wrote: »

terribly poor events but so emboldening to witness the bravery of these men and women, boys and girls, to fight such a gargantuan task that is their fight for freedom. they have everything to gain and everything to lose.

As opposed to the snarky tiresome "contextual commentary" from other goujos and Muppets on this thread.

dwayneshintzy · 24-08-2019 6:13pm

How many Hong Kong people do you know, greencap?

You talk about the "Chinese people" owning Hong Kong..... it's ethnically Chinese people who are protesting, who don't want increased Mainland control. It's very possible to be against British colonialism, and to support the aims of the protestors in Hong Kong.

greencap · 24-08-2019 6:47pm

Not if you tolerate a bunch of separatists waving union jack flegs in the local parliament like 'NO SURRENDAR!!' woman.

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Cant be havin that.

dwayneshintzy · 24-08-2019 7:04pm

greencap wrote: »

btw i found one little detail interesting. Hollywood road was the sort of unofficial/cultural barrier within HK which divided the island in two. One side for the white/europeans/elite and the other side squalid poverty for the serf native chinese/non-whites.

Hollywood Road as a dividing line? In what way, that everything north of it was "squalid poverty"? What about east and west of Hollywood Road? And when was this supposed to be true until?

The Brits definitely lived on the Peak and Mid-Levels, yes. But don't see how Hollywood Road could have been "dividing" HK Island in any way.

greencap · 24-08-2019 7:11pm

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Hollywood Road as a dividing line? In what way, that everything north of it was "squalid poverty"? What about east and west of Hollywood Road? And when was this supposed to be true until?

The Brits definitely lived on the Peak and Mid-Levels, yes. But don't see how Hollywood Road could have been "dividing" HK Island in any way.

Yes thats right, the British and Europeans occupied the peak and upper areas. Their house on the hill.

Chinese on the lower tiers.

dwayneshintzy · 24-08-2019 7:15pm

The content of your posts really implies that you don't know very much about Hong Kong at all; its geography, people or culture.

24-08-2019 7:18pm

greencap wrote: »

Not if you tolerate a bunch of separatists waving union jack flegs in the local parliament like 'NO SURRENDAR!!' woman.

Cant be havin that.

It's more about their rights to have personal freedom. Was Ireland right to rebel against English occupation?

greencap · 24-08-2019 7:19pm

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

The content of your posts really implies that you don't know very much about Hong Kong at all; its geography, people or culture.

I can go through my watch history and find the video that states this if you really want. But you'll have to put something on the line to make your humiliation worth my effort.

dwayneshintzy · 24-08-2019 7:25pm

Do what you like. The Peak and mid-levels had rich Brits and colonials. But have a look at the geography of HK yourself; how could Hollywood Road possibly have been "dividing the island"?

greencap · 24-08-2019 7:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's more about their rights to have personal freedom. Was Ireland right to rebel against English occupation?

The two are intertwined.

I sympathize with their change in regime/lifestyle/environment, but they are on the wrong side of history.

China has the moral right to wash away the stink of earlier colonialism.

Yurt2 · 24-08-2019 7:36pm

greencap wrote: »

The two are intertwined.

I sympathize with their change in regime/lifestyle/environment, but they are on the wrong side of history.

China has the moral right to wash away the stink of earlier colonialism.

Captain History who has never been to Hong Kong (or likely outside his postcode), and knows fanny all about the place here to tell us who's on the right side of history. And it just so happens to be the side that will decimate the independent judiciary, the last remnants of democracy and ancillary freedoms that the natives of the city wish to preserve.

Because... Brits, some stuff he read on Wikipedia, and a dynamite video timestamp he claims he watched that will say something about Hollywood Road (also a place he's never been and couldn't point to on a map of Hong Kong).

Take a bow greencap, you're winning at losing here.

greencap · 24-08-2019 8:04pm

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Do what you like. The Peak and mid-levels had rich Brits and colonials. But have a look at the geography of HK yourself; how could Hollywood Road possibly have been "dividing the island"?

Captain history to the rescue!!

With his loyal sidekick ... Billy Tang, of the Hong Kong history society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StW7oGSR_Mg

05:30

UNIIIITY!!

Gatling · 24-08-2019 8:14pm

Someone needs to Irish rail .

Thread has turned into a train wreck

Yurt2 · 24-08-2019 8:18pm

Gatling wrote: »

Someone needs to Irish rail .

Thread has turned into a train wreck

Even CIE couldn't sort this one out. Greencap reckons he's stumbled across something on youtube that can undo his f*ckwitery over the past few days.

greencap · 24-08-2019 8:22pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Even CIE couldn't sort this one out. Greencap reckons he's stumbled across something on youtube that can undo his f*ckwitery over the past few days.

Is that right Yurt.

Or should I say ......

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Impotent rage. :eek:

ILoveYourVibes · 24-08-2019 8:24pm

China's mask has slipped. Well not that it was ever on straight anyway.

But you know what i mean.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/24/hong-kong-fresh-rallies-as-protesters-target-airport-transport

4068ac1elhodqr · 24-08-2019 8:35pm

One of the interesting stories of the day was that protesters are specifically targeting 'lamposts'.

But not regular lampposts, these are 'smart' lamposts. Likely loaded with 5G, cameras and FRS surveillance.
Not even sure how'd they manage to topple such a thing, angle grinders maybe?

Gatling · 24-08-2019 8:42pm

Frances Rich Case wrote: »

One of the interesting stories of the day was that protesters are specifically targeting 'lamposts'.

But not regular lampposts, these are 'smart' lamposts. Likely loaded with 5G, cameras and FRS surveillance.
Not even sure how'd they manage to topple such a thing, angle grinders maybe?

Depending on how they were actually fixed -

The biggest problem will be Chinese government access to phones , they were recently found out for secretly installing surveillance software apps on to tourist phones on the mainland that gave Chinese intelligence services access to everything on your phone

ILoveYourVibes · 24-08-2019 8:56pm

Gatling wrote: »

Depending on how they were actually fixed -

The biggest problem will be Chinese government access to phones , they were recently found out for secretly installing surveillance software apps on to tourist phones on the mainland that gave Chinese intelligence services access to everything on your phone

I know people don't realize its really big brother over there. If you have chinese mates don't send them stuff or post on their social media. And if you post a lot of political stuff don't interact with them too much. Partic if you ever go to protests and post it online.

I know it sounds paranoid but that is what my chinese and hongkonger friends have requested from me.

Kimsang · 25-08-2019 1:02am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I know people don't realize its really big brother over there. If you have chinese mates don't send them stuff or post on their social media. And if you post a lot of political stuff don't interact with them too much. Partic if you ever go to protests and post it online.

I know it sounds paranoid but that is what my chinese and hongkonger friends have requested from me.

This is all ahead of us, when someone like Jeremy Corbyn comes to power(who had very different attitudes towards the visits from Trump and Winnie the Pooh). Just look to these boards and see how many people are in favour of restrictions on speech and thought. Its frightening.

dwayneshintzy · 25-08-2019 3:18am

greencap wrote: »

Captain history to the rescue!!

With his loyal sidekick ... Billy Tang, of the Hong Kong history society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StW7oGSR_Mg

05:30

UNIIIITY!!

I'm sorry but you said Hollywood Road divided the island in two. Do you see how small the neighborhood is in that clip?

My point was that you don't seem to know very much about Hong Kong or it's people and culture. A Vox video (that you've misunderstood) doesn't really change that.

greencap · 25-08-2019 3:38am

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

I'm sorry but you said Hollywood Road divided the island in two. Do you see how small the neighborhood is in that clip?

My point was that you don't seem to know very much about Hong Kong or it's people and culture. A Vox video (that you've misunderstood) doesn't really change that.

"unofficial/cultural barrier"

culturally.

and it did. now please, just stop.

dwayneshintzy · 25-08-2019 3:57am

The video doesn't say that Hollywood Road divided the island in two.....it divided that particular area of Central.

Saying that Hollywood Road acted as any sort of dividing line for the whole island exposes how little someone would know about Hong Kong, and how they'd clear never actually been there. Anyone thinking that a Vox video makes them an expert on a subject is quite typical of a certain type of person on the internet these days.

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