The death knell of the Irish Language

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 07:28PM

Nosnon wrote: »

Guys, provide a translation if you post in ANY language other than English.

Tá tú á rá ar fad, cén fáth ?

You are being overly pedantic, why ?

literally " you are saying it all "

You were complaining about my posts before mr Nosnon, are we having problems?

A bhfuil aon fadhb ann ?

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 07:38PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Mol an óige agus tiocfaidh sí:D

Definitely wasn't expecting to see any overlap between this thread and the female orgasms one:eek:

There is a massive undiscovered overlap between Irish speaking and Orgasms.

Súnás = Orgasm

https://www.focloir.ie/en/dictionary/ei/orgasm

I love the way it is pronounced differently from Ceann Trá to Clifden to Machaire Rabhartaigh.

I think that Irish people would be a lot more interested in learning more Irish if they knew it would help them with their orgasms. It almost goes without saying.

I blame the post independence power vacuum, it was always going to happen. Bastards.

Dravokivich · 24-08-2019 08:18PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You’re not from here either?
It’s the official language of the state.
You know or understand that much?

I'm not sure where your here is, but dont let my odd looking name mislead you into incorrect assumptions of where my here is.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-08-2019 08:39PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'm not sure where your here is, but dont let my odd looking name mislead you into incorrect assumptions of where my here is.

You avoided the question and reinforced your ignorance. Irish is the official language of the state.
Ignorance is forgivable. Distorting the truth isn’t.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 08:49PM

In other words should we get rid of all minority languages and aim towards a monolingual planet?

No we shouldn't. We have a native language and more knowledge, not dumbing down is the way forward. Studies have shown that bilingual individuals consistently outperform their monolingual counterparts on tasks involving executive control. It's a good thing to be bilingual and we're generally smarter.

That being said, I do think it could be taught a bit better. I actually think all schools should be Gaelscoils.

24-08-2019 08:51PM

I dont know about all schools being gaelscoils but it could definitely be taught better

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 08:54PM

bluewolf wrote: »

I dont know about all schools being gaelscoils but it could definitely be taught better

I'll put it this way. I'd send my kids to Gaelscoils. Apart from the bilingual benefits I think they actually do quite well in terms exam performance?

24-08-2019 08:58PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'll put it this way. I'd send my kids to Gaelscoils. Apart from the bilingual benefits I think they actually do quite well in terms exam performance?

Yeah i think i was looking at lc stats and they do. I wonder if there's an issue with technical terms eg the irish for differentiation and trying to learn the english for it in college!
I'd go for one of those as well though I'd love a European language to be taught young as well. Their little brains are like sponges for language

Reati · 24-08-2019 09:03PM

We did this a few months ago. 54 pages {on mobile) of it in fact. https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057985119/1

Don't let that stop ya though.

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah i think i was looking at lc stats and they do. I wonder if there's an issue with technical terms eg the irish for differentiation and trying to learn the english for it in college!

Speaking from experience. There isn't any issue.

Galwayguy35 · 24-08-2019 09:03PM

Peig Sayers the miserable oul biddy killed the Irish language, she was responsible for generations of young people ending up hating the language.

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 09:06PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah i think i was looking at lc stats and they do. I wonder if there's an issue with technical terms eg the irish for differentiation and trying to learn the english for it in college!
I'd go for one of those as well though I'd love a European language to be taught young as well. Their little brains are like sponges for language

I have always cited geographical reasons for this.

Take Dutch citizens or Belgians. They have access to media from Britain, France , Holland, Belgium and usually Germany. In particular think about chart music and movies. This is entirely based on where they are living within Europe and their proximity to the different languages.

Contrast this with countries with more isolated coastlines, Greece, Italy, Iberia and of course Ireland and you see a very different circumstance and exposure to a foreign language, particularly from an early age.

To really benefit from a language pre school you need access to it through media and at home.

24-08-2019 09:09PM

Oh i meant physically, i think there's development studies about being younger being better wired for picking it up, but yeah definitely

moonage · 24-08-2019 09:10PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

That being said, I do think it could be taught a bit better. I actually think all schools should be Gaelscoils.

Apparently, 23% of parents would choose a local Gaelscoil for children if available.

The demand seems to be there but the government aren't doing much about it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/more-gaelscoileanna-must-be-opened-to-breathe-life-into-irish-1.3424365

24-08-2019 09:11PM

Reati wrote: »

We did this a few months ago. 54 pages {on mobile) of it in fact. https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057985119/1

Don't let that stop ya though.

Speaking from experience. There isn't any issue.

Ah cool that's good to know

batgoat · 24-08-2019 09:13PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah i think i was looking at lc stats and they do. I wonder if there's an issue with technical terms eg the irish for differentiation and trying to learn the english for it in college!
I'd go for one of those as well though I'd love a European language to be taught young as well. Their little brains are like sponges for language

Went through a Gaelscoil and terminology in college is pretty easy to pick up after. Plus generally students would be using English language revision books so you're generally familiar with terminology.

Reati · 24-08-2019 09:14PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Peig Sayers the miserable oul biddy killed the Irish language, she was responsible for generations of young people ending up hating the language.

Dé Valera actually. Peig didn't ask for her book to be mandatory reading or censored to fit the Bean an tí image.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2019 09:16PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You avoided the question and reinforced your ignorance. Irish is the official language of the state.
Ignorance is forgivable. Distorting the truth isn’t.

The official langauge of the State, yes. Not the official language of boards.ie

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I have always cited geographical reasons for this.

Take Dutch citizens or Belgians. They have access to media from Britain, France , Holland, Belgium and usually Germany. In particular think about chart music and movies. This is entirely based on where they are living within Europe and their proximity to the different languages.

Contrast this with countries with more isolated coastlines, Greece, Italy, Iberia and of course Ireland and you see a very different circumstance and exposure to a foreign language, particularly from an early age.

To really benefit from a language pre school you need access to it through media and at home.

The diffierence, as I've said, is need. Kids are practical creatures: if they know they need something, they'll learn it, even if they don't like it. If they don't, they won't make the effort.

Dutch kids need to learn English. Irish kids don't need to learn Irish.

moonage wrote: »

Apparently, 23% of parents would choose a local Gaelscoil for children if available.

The demand seems to be there but the government aren't doing much about it.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/more-gaelscoileanna-must-be-opened-to-breathe-life-into-irish-1.3424365

Which means 67% didn't.

The constitution is bilingual, which means they are oblighed to provide and education in English.

As Blueowlf said, though - won't make a blind bit of difference if you don't improve the quality first - which is why I'm against the idea until this happens.

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 09:18PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Oh i meant physically, i think there's development studies about being younger being better wired for picking it up, but yeah definitely

Most definitely.

I think if you want your child to be a better Gael as they are older you need to force feed them a healthy diet of TG4 when they are on the potty. Plenty of Cúla 4 and Elmo , it works wonders.

I like watching Sesame Street as Gaelige, the Muppets also. BBC ALBA is great.

Reati · 24-08-2019 09:20PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The constitution is bilingual, which means they are oblighed to provide and education in English.

Nitpick here but it's not bilingual. The constitution is in Irish and translated to English. The Irish text version takes precedent in legal matters.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2019 09:23PM

Reati wrote: »

Nitpick here but it's not bilingual. The constitution is in Irish and translated to English. The Irish text version takes precedent in legal matters.

Fair point, but my point is: the two official langauges means it's unconstitutinoal to make every school a Gaelscoil, in the same way it would be to just scrap Irish.

pummice · 24-08-2019 09:23PM

Was listening to Greta Thunberg the 16 year old Swedish climate activitist the other day, her English is better than mine, and thats her second language. There was and is something seriously wrong in how we teach the Irish language in our schools.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 09:28PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Fair point, but my point is: the two official langauges means it's unconstitutinoal to make every school a Gaelscoil, in the same way it would be to just scrap Irish.

How would be unconstitutional? You could simply devote time to teaching English too, but conduct everything else in Irish.

Atlantic Dawn · 24-08-2019 09:31PM

pummice wrote: »

Was listening to Greta Thunberg the 16 year old Swedish climate activitist the other day, her English is better than mine, and thats her second language. There was and is something seriously wrong in how we teach the Irish language in our schools.

Realistically after primary school in this country every child should have almost fluent Irish. Teachers or the curriculum are not fit for purpose.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2019 09:36PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

How would be unconstitutional? You could simply devote time to teaching English too, but conduct everything else in Irish.

State is legally required to provide an education is both official languages of the State.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 09:36PM

pummice wrote: »

Was listening to Greta Thunberg the 16 year old Swedish climate activitist the other day, her English is better than mine, and thats her second language. There was and is something seriously wrong in how we teach the Irish language in our schools.

In fairness that's partly because they get a huge amount of exposure to the English language in Sweden. How often do you come across Irish spoken here?

IAMAMORON · 24-08-2019 09:37PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The diffierence, as I've said, is need. Kids are practical creatures: if they know they need something, they'll learn it, even if they don't like it. If they don't, they won't make the effort.

Dutch kids need to learn English. Irish kids don't need to learn Irish.

Your being slightly sweeping here. Kids aren't being very practical when they are stamping their feet just inside the front door screaming " I hate you , I hate you , I hate you ", when they haven't been to bed early enough the night before.

You rear your pups you get your dogs. Kids need to be educated and they need guidance whilst doing so. We all sat in Irish class as children looking out the window as opposed to learning about the bland eating habits of Pól agus Niamh. Yet we did it because we were told to, like good little kids do.

I don't think Dutch kids are any different , my point is though, that Dutch kids have much more access to English Media ( as Irish kids do btw ) before the age of five. This is when the human mind is really being spongey. I know Dutch people who could sing Madonna songs long before they knew what they meant.

Irish kids don't get that type of exposure to Irish before they are 5. Not on their Ipads anyway.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 09:38PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

State is legally required to provide an education is both official languages of the State.

Yep and it could do that while introducing more Irish into regular schools.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2019 09:40PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Your being slightly sweeping here. Kids aren't being very practical when they are stamping their feet just inside the front door screaming " I hate you , I hate you , I hate you ", when they haven't been to bed early enough the night before.

That might hate you/it, but that doesn't mean they don't understand why they need you/it.

You rear your pups you get your dogs. Kids need to be educated and they need guidance whilst doing so. We all sat in Irish class as children looking out the window as opposed to learning about the bland eating habits of Pól agus Niamh. Yet we did it because we were told to, like good little kids do.

Doesn't disagree with what I posted.

I don't think Dutch kids are any different , my point is though, that Dutch kids have much more access to English Media ( as Irish kids do btw ) before the age of five. This is when the human mind is really being spongey. I know Dutch people who could sing Madonna songs long before they knew what they meant.

Irish kids don't get that type of exposure to Irish before they are 5. Not on their Ipads anyway.

I'm not disagreeing with you here, either - I'm just saying Dutch kids put more of an effort into, and why they do.

steddyeddy · 24-08-2019 10:01PM

You can't really compare learning Irish as a second language with some kid in the Netherlands learning English as a second language. Honestly you can't think that the only difference is that Dutch kids try harder?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-08-2019 10:38PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

You can't really compare learning Irish as a second language with some kid in the Netherlands learning English as a second language. Honestly you can't think that the only difference is that Dutch kids try harder?

Bor sure if aimed it me, but just to clarify: I didn't make said comparison.

Nor did I say trying harder was the only difference. I said need was the biggest difference.

The death knell of the Irish Language

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