Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

MJohnston · 22-08-2019 07:45PM

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Ah jaysis.... 6 hours and 15 mins sitting on the tarmac, then a 10 hour flight! Poor passengers. They should be only a few hours out from SFO at this stage!

€600 compensation for everyone on board though, I would imagine?

Nibs05 · 22-08-2019 07:50PM

EI-143 sitting on stand waiting for new crew, 4 hours late so far

Third_Echelon · 22-08-2019 07:51PM

MJohnston wrote: »

€600 compensation for everyone on board though, I would imagine?

Yeah should be alright, but i'm not sure if that adequately compensates your mental well-being :-)

I do that route a few times per year (currently living in SF Bay Area). The 10 hour flight with kids is tough enough, nevermind 6 sitting around, then another 10. There will be a few frazzled heads in SFO tonight!

Nibs05 · 22-08-2019 08:08PM

EI 143 cancelled now after waiting 5 hours

goingnowhere · 22-08-2019 08:20PM

Looks like they took the 143 crew to operate 147

billy few mates · 22-08-2019 08:22PM

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Yeah should be alright, but i'm not sure if that adequately compensates your mental well-being :-)

I do that route a few times per year (currently living in SF Bay Area). The 10 hour flight with kids is tough enough, nevermind 6 sitting around, then another 10. There will be a few frazzled heads in SFO tonight!

That's €100 an for watching movies...
I'll take it...

Third_Echelon · 22-08-2019 08:27PM

billy few mates wrote: »

That's €100 an for watching movies...
I'll take it...

depends how you value your time I suppose. I'd rather be at the other end relaxing than still in the air :P

22-08-2019 08:44PM

Nibs05 wrote: »

EI-DUO aborted take off now, bit of a mess

It didn’t abort its takeoff.

It merely taxied on to the runway and off on to 34 to get back to its stand.

California Dreamer · 22-08-2019 09:57PM

Could you not demand to get off after 3 hours? Could you not cite false arrest if they refuse to let you deplane?

Boeing777 · 22-08-2019 10:58PM

By any chance does anybody know what aircraft will be flying the 105 to JFK tomorrow?

HTCOne · 23-08-2019 01:12AM

California Dreamer wrote: »

Could you not demand to get off after 3 hours? Could you not cite false arrest if they refuse to let you deplane?

I suppose you could. Problem is in this situation you are in America, so to get off the plane you would need to go through Irish immigration. I’m thinking logistically that might pose issues

Cloudio9 · 23-08-2019 05:47AM

HTCOne wrote: »

I suppose you could. Problem is in this situation you are in America, so to get off the plane you would need to go through Irish immigration. I’m thinking logistically that might pose issues

I’ve seen it happen, didn’t seem to be a big deal and also have been deplaned myself (along with everyone else) after an a330 went tech. We were just routed back through passport to the baggage hall. Ultimately if you say you’re not prepared to fly there’s not much they can do about it. Have also seen a passenger deplane due to fear of flying but that was just a flight to UK. Crew were very sympathetic and captain even tried to very gently persuade.

California Dreamer · 23-08-2019 05:57AM

I just find it strange that pax were not hopping off the walks sitting on the ground for 6 hours. No Daily Mail story about people passing out or starving to death!!!

billy few mates · 23-08-2019 07:28AM

Third_Echelon wrote: »

depends how you value your time I suppose. I'd rather be at the other end relaxing than still in the air :P

I meant €600 is €100 per hour...
That's more than I'd make sitting in work for six hours...

medoc · 23-08-2019 10:04AM

Nibs05 wrote: »

Guess hard to cancel with pax already pre cleared.

Happened to us a few years ago on a Delta flight. They let off the plane after about 3 hours back in to the pre cleared area. Eventually the flight was canceled and as all the American personnel had gone home (it was about 7pm) we had to wait till one of them came back in to “de pre clear us”.

Locker10a · 23-08-2019 10:42AM

California Dreamer wrote: »

I just find it strange that pax were not hopping off the walks sitting on the ground for 6 hours. No Daily Mail story about people passing out or starving to death!!!

I guess they probably didn’t know it was going to actually take 6 hours! And they needed/wanted to get to their destination. Abandoning your flight would mean your essentially tearing up your ticket and throwing it in the bin. The only people who I’ve know to do that are business travelers on short haul who are going for a day trip, where the delay means it’s no longer with it. Otherwise people generally need to go where they’re going!

Hotblack Desiato · 23-08-2019 12:06PM

billy few mates wrote: »

I meant €600 is €100 per hour...
That's more than I'd make sitting in work for six hours...

I doubt you sit at work in a narrow economy airline seat with people crammed in front back and either side of you...!!!

Now if it was business, I'd suck it up

The worst thing though would be not knowing, it probably started as a half hour delay and went up by a half hour or an hour each time...

Did they at least have air conditioning on, water/snacks available etc.? Heard horror stories of people stuck on planes for hours in summer in high temperatures, no water etc.

Nibs05 · 23-08-2019 03:07PM

Is the 129 returning

https://ibb.co/RQ5btq9

EIMH · 23-08-2019 03:24PM

Certainly looks like it is .
Now back over Donegal

billie1b · 23-08-2019 04:01PM

EIMH wrote: »

Certainly looks like it is .
Now back over Donegal

In the hold off Balbriggan, burning fuel, rescue crews on standby by the fire station for an over weight landing.

Jack1985 · 23-08-2019 04:07PM

Every August :pac:

Marcusm · 23-08-2019 04:41PM

HTCOne wrote: »

I suppose you could. Problem is in this situation you are in America, so to get off the plane you would need to go through Irish immigration. I’m thinking logistically that might pose issues

You are not in the USA; you are in an Irish registered plane on Irish soil subject to the provisions of Irish law including constitutional rights. The limited powers given to CBP and associated staff are subject to Irish law and applicable in the pre-clearance area only.

john boye · 23-08-2019 05:35PM

Is the annual meltdown beginning?

steokeogh · 23-08-2019 06:07PM

Marcusm wrote: »

HTCOne wrote: »

I suppose you could. Problem is in this situation you are in America, so to get off the plane you would need to go through Irish immigration. I’m thinking logistically that might pose issues

You are not in the USA; you are in an Irish registered plane on Irish soil subject to the provisions of Irish law including constitutional rights. The limited powers given to CBP and associated staff are subject to Irish law and applicable in the pre-clearance area only.

That is not necessarily true. You have, in the eyes of US immigration, entered the US. Which mean they do have to record that you didn't fly and be de-cleared. On the Irish immigration side I am not sure of the process.

Also flights that leave from the CBP area are deemed sterile and sealed once the door has been closed. So yes Irish law applies but the CBP legislation allow this situation to happen.

Kind of come back to the hours that CBP operates. Hypothetically, should there be an amendment added that there must be a CBP presence until all flights to the US have passed the point of no return.

California Dreamer · 23-08-2019 09:33PM

I just would find it hard enough to sit on a plane going nowhere for hours on end with was probably very little information. As soon as the 3 hour mark came I would want off. Regardless if the flight was leaving 5 mins later or not

Locker10a · 23-08-2019 11:34PM

California Dreamer wrote: »

I just would find it hard enough to sit on a plane going nowhere for hours on end with was probably very little information. As soon as the 3 hour mark came I would want off. Regardless if the flight was leaving 5 mins later or not

Fair enough but you'd be forfeiting your ticket

Donegal Storm · 24-08-2019 12:05AM

I've been on four EI flights this month and all four were delayed, one by 3 hours and two others by over an hour. Seems to be par for the course at this time of year

California Dreamer · 24-08-2019 12:42AM

Locker10a wrote: »

Fair enough but you'd be forfeiting your ticket

Someone said they would be happy to sit there for 6 hours just to get the compo! If I am sitting there for 3 hours, I am out the door! Lost ticket or not!

Locker10a · 24-08-2019 01:51AM

Donegal Storm wrote: »

I've been on four EI flights this month and all four were delayed, one by 3 hours and two others by over an hour. Seems to be par for the course at this time of year

Pretty much is across the industry, it’s peak season, so almost no leeway in the schedule, so you just need one or two delays during the day and the delays snowball

Jack1985 · 24-08-2019 02:33PM

Exactly and Europe is basically slot restricted everywhere so one little delay as above, snowballs.

Looks like the TA delays have now been dealt with when GAJ gets back tomorrow on the 146 it'll have just shy of 4 hours before it does the 125 and similarly as result of a long planned turnaround in Boston for the 137, LAX which was severely delayed to Toronto last night will make it up this afternoon over there.

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