All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

adrian522 · 22-08-2019 05:41PM

PhuckHugh22 wrote: »

Also the lads saying the win is tainted for Tipp are bang out of order. Did you ever here such garbage?
There are some great posters on here from both Kk and Tipp and ye are an actual embarrassment to the good GAA people in this forum.

Completely agree. Win isn't tainted. As Gortha said in the KK people:

“I can’t remember a game changing so dramatically and becoming so one-sided after a sending off. It was as if there was a total systems failure in the Kilkenny camp"

And to be honest that is completely down to how ruthless and efficient Tipperary were combined with a fair but of naivety from Kilkenny.

I don;t think any genuine hurling fan believes the All Ireland is tainted.
Tipp completely took us apart in the second half.

Realt Dearg Sec · 22-08-2019 05:59PM

Of course it's not tainted, we were ****ing annihilated when we went down ONE player. No reasonable person could overlook that.

Tipp people DID also sell to demean 2009 over the penalty, which was also ludicrous. Over time those kinds of "there's an asterisk beside that all Ireland" comments always look stupid. I've heard it said plenty about 2013 as well, and even limerick last year. It's always ****e talk. Congrats to Tipp, the best team by far. Just wish we were allowed analyse something other than the card (and it's absolutely not just kk posters who keep going on about it either, as has been repeatedly claimed), it was an interesting game beyond that for a lot of reasons.

adrian522 · 22-08-2019 06:20PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Of course it's not tainted, we were ****ing annihilated when we went down ONE player. No reasonable person could overlook that.

Tipp people DID also sell to demean 2009 over the penalty, which was also ludicrous. Over time those kinds of "there's an asterisk beside that all Ireland" comments always look stupid. I've heard it said plenty about 2013 as well, and even limerick last year. It's always ****e talk. Congrats to Tipp, the best team by far. Just wish we were allowed analyse something other than the card (and it's absolutely not just kk posters who keep going on about it either, as has been repeatedly claimed), it was an interesting game beyond that for a lot of reasons.

To analyse the rest of it is just too painful :pac:

Realt Dearg Sec · 22-08-2019 07:09PM

adrian522 wrote: »

To analyse the rest of it is just too painful :pac:

Have you not been watching the second half every day? I can't wait to look at it again tonight! In the dark. With a big bottle of whiskey, and no glass.

xl500 · 23-08-2019 07:17AM

golfball37 wrote: »

First post since Saturday. Fancied Kilkenny very strongly and after 15 mins whilst it looked good I was worried for them that they weren’t further ahead. Colin should never have allowed himself be hooked for that chance, it was a poor miss. He should have taken it on his weak side early. At the other end John Dwyer had less time and a faster ball to deal with and finished with a plomb. Having said all that KK were nicely placed just as they were against Limerick and just as happened against Limerick the opponents fought their way back before half time. The difference here however was KK had 15 men for the second half onslaught that was coming in the semi and the hard work done early template had worked in the semi and was on course again in the final, until the linesman decided Richie Hogan had to go. I was sitting in the Lower Hogan near the Hill end and saw Barrett’s assault on Richie some minutes earlier. James Owens saw it too as he gave a free. In real time it looked horrific I must say and I couldn’t believe it was only a free. To me it looked like a pre meditated strike safe in the knowledge the ball was in tenuous enough proximity to deem it acceptable in terms of avoiding sanction. Ok fair enough you say but the way Barrett acted after Richie mistimed his shoulder on him said to me the earlier incident was probably not an accident. I think Tipperary have some lovely hurlers and are pleasant on the eye but this win will be forever tainted, there was absolutely no doubt in my mind the unnecessary red card decided the match there and then for reason I outlined above regarding Limerick. Tipp had a spell but so did Limerick.

I felt the persistent fouling from Tipp backs in the early periods should have been met with yellow cards too, then they wouldn’t have been so gung ho in defence in the second half allowing them to take chances as they could absorb a yellow at that stage. Still as much as I admire Cody and feel for him for what happened before half time he needs to answer why ball after ball was lorried down on the Tipp fb in the second half? KK should have started the second half with 8 at the back with the intention of keeping this tight for ten minutes and no goals, no goals. After Bubbles Dwyer’s goal it was all over really.
Also questions need to be asked too about starting 3 clearly unfit players, in 2010 defeat to Tipp I felt he got off lightly in media by starting 2 unfit players that day.

A disappointing day out from the weather to the 7e for a programme. The linesman however ruined my day and I daresay many others with his over eagerness, if Barrett was allowed slide for arguably a far worse offence, then I would have expected a genuine great of the game like Richie to receive the same treatment.

If he mistimed his shoulder why did he cynically lift his elbow he could have just missed when barrett stepped back its pretty simplistic to say that he mistimed it its more realistic he was out to avenge the tackle earlier that even you mention so if you are thinking of it then its probably safe to say hogan was as well

Mantis Toboggan · 23-08-2019 08:28AM

Ah lads this win is now tainted? Just gets better

gifted · 23-08-2019 08:31AM

All this whinging from the kilkenny people would make you wonder how many all ireland medals would they have actually won if they played within the rules......fair play to the ref, he was spot on with his decision....hogan should take it like a man and accept it.....going around crying about his supposedly injustice....bloody hell.

Sir Guy who smiles · 23-08-2019 08:50AM

All kilkenny want is consistency from the refs.

Tommy Walsh used to get yellows when he probably should have got reds, Ritchie Hogan should be treated the same.

adrian522 · 23-08-2019 09:02AM

gifted wrote: »

All this whinging from the kilkenny people would make you wonder how many all ireland medals would they have actually won if they played within the rules......fair play to the ref, he was spot on with his decision....hogan should take it like a man and accept it.....going around crying about his supposedly injustice....bloody hell.

Sir Guy who smiles wrote: »

All kilkenny want is consistency from the refs.

Tommy Walsh used to get yellows when he probably should have got reds, Ritchie Hogan should be treated the same.

Thy're all coming out of the woodwork now

Sir Guy who smiles · 23-08-2019 09:24AM

adrian522 wrote: »

Thy're all coming out of the woodwork now

Guilty as charged!😉

But it's not in response to Kilkenny loosing, it's in response to all the whinging about it.

BOSTIK · 23-08-2019 09:51AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Have you not been watching the second half every day? I can't wait to look at it again tonight! In the dark. With a big bottle of whiskey, and no glass.

Gallows humour, always the funniest.

Take a bow, sir!

The_Kew_Tour · 23-08-2019 10:05AM

Kilkenny always targeted players. Remember Tony O Sullivan was young gifted player who they broke his nose in AI Final in 80s.

The Cats have done it for years and now to see them annoyed at one incident is hilarious

adrian522 · 23-08-2019 10:29AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Kilkenny always targeted players. Remember Tony O Sullivan was young gifted player who they broke his nose in AI Final in 80s.

The Cats have done it for years and now to see them annoyed at one incident is hilarious

LOL, bringing up incidents from what nearly 40 years ago and moaning about fans talking about this years final less than a week on. I've heard it all now.:o

Lefty Bicek · 23-08-2019 10:29AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Remember Tony O Sullivan was young gifted player who they broke his nose in AI Final in 80s.

The EIGHTIES !

A decade when lads from Cork were breaking their own noses in the warmup.

Go bhfóire Dia orainn.

marvin80 · 23-08-2019 10:33AM

Maybe Padraic Maher could teach Hogan how to shoulder properly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPvpzrRkGus

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 23-08-2019 10:35AM

marvin80 wrote: »

Maybe Padraic Maher could teach Hogan how to shoulder properly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPvpzrRkGus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Yo2qVFx7o

marvin80 · 23-08-2019 10:37AM

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Yo2qVFx7o

Another nicely timed hit - no need to lead with the elbow - just hit shoulder to shoulder.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 23-08-2019 10:37AM

marvin80 wrote: »

Another nicely timed hit - no need to lead with the elbow - just hit shoulder to shoulder.

Get down boy!

Snow Garden · 23-08-2019 10:40AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Of course it's not tainted, we were ****ing annihilated when we went down ONE player. No reasonable person could overlook that.

Tipp people DID also sell to demean 2009 over the penalty, which was also ludicrous. Over time those kinds of "there's an asterisk beside that all Ireland" comments always look stupid. I've heard it said plenty about 2013 as well, and even limerick last year. It's always ****e talk. Congrats to Tipp, the best team by far. Just wish we were allowed analyse something other than the card (and it's absolutely not just kk posters who keep going on about it either, as has been repeatedly claimed), it was an interesting game beyond that for a lot of reasons.

What shocked me the most was how utterly clueless KK were after the red card. There was no leadership, no plan. I think KK felt that if they lobbed up enough ball to Sweeper Barrett that he would sweep them into his own goal - out of guilt or something.

The likes of Michael Fennelly, Sheflin, JJ would not have allowed such a capitulation.

bruschi · 23-08-2019 10:42AM

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Yo2qVFx7o

Maher and Canning ended up with cuts on their faces. Both should have been sent off.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 23-08-2019 11:15AM

Well Maher went to shoulder Canning and completely missed and ended up being a charge to Cannings frontal area.

AsBruschi will surely agree since he is an absolute stickler for rules being applied to the letter when it suits (despite the fact Wexford would never finish a game with more than 12 players if that was the case) this was an aggressive foul as per "5.28 (a) To charge an opponent in the back or to the front"
with the penalty being
(i) Free puck from where foul occurred, except as provided under Exceptions of Rule 2.2.
(ii) Caution offender for committing any of the above fouls a second time; order off for a further repetition or for other cautionable foul.

And asMantis Toboggan will no doubt agree, since Cannings frontal area took the heavy impact, it is without dispute that Maher was hoping to shatter Cannings rib cage so that he could cynically inflict permanent damage on Canning's kidneys

Of course I am joking here, the game of hurling would be much worse off if such physicality would be removed from it and like most, I am happy that referees apply common sense and apply their interpretation of the rules to the play in front of him, and I am not hypocritical enough to cherry pick instances where I am happy for the referee to deviate from this, because it happens to suit me at the time

Mach Two · 23-08-2019 12:30PM

Slight change of topic. Would hurling be better if the championship went back to the old system of sudden death.

Mach Two · 23-08-2019 12:34PM

Anybody got a link to that incident that led to the red card.

Lefty Bicek · 23-08-2019 12:37PM

Mach Two wrote: »

Anybody got a link to that incident that led to the red card.

No problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9-muyFaxQ4

Sterling Archer · 23-08-2019 12:57PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

What shocked me the most was how utterly clueless KK were after the red card. There was no leadership, no plan. I think KK felt that if they lobbed up enough ball to Sweeper Barrett that he would sweep them into his own goal - out of guilt or something.
The likes of Michael Fennelly, Sheflin, JJ would not have allowed such a capitulation.

I saw somewhere they lost 70% of the ball they lobbed in, in the first 15-20 mins of the second half, that's staggering..

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The_Kew_Tour · 23-08-2019 01:02PM

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

The EIGHTIES !

A decade when lads from Cork were breaking their own noses in the warmup.

Go bhfóire Dia orainn.

Which was accident with a ball :pac:

Fair play for least proving my point :pac:

adrian522 · 23-08-2019 01:21PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Which was accident with a ball :pac:

Fair play for least proving my point :pac:

Not that you are bitter or anything :eek:

letsseehere14 · 23-08-2019 01:23PM

I think a lot of Kilkennys reaction to the final, and looking for excuses has been building since 2016. The 3 beatings at the hands of Tipp, all in All Ireland Finals and twice in the last 4 years has added to the frustration and confusion. After 17 years of close to total dominance, suffering only a few defeats it has been a radical change in such a short time period.
People here dragging up incidents from 10 or more years ago to try to come up with some reason other than Kilkenny are not great anymore. Theyre still good, but not even close to great and its been a fall from grace that has been very rapid, there is no incident that can explain it other than they just dont have 5 or 6 absolute all time greats in their team any more. They have 1.
I have it that from 1999 to their last AI in 2015 Kilkenny lost a grand total of 9 championship games. Thats 17 years with a back door system and only losing 9 games, winning 11 All Irelands.
In the last 4 years, 2016 to 2019 they have lost 9 games also. I know the format is different but it is a big change in a short time.

On Cody, his management of that final from the 30th minute mark on was shambolic. And having conversations this week his aura is now being questioned by a lot of people I know. No doubt he gets his team motivated, gets them very fit and well conditioned and they go out with a ruthless mindset, but tactically as the game as progressed they have not. Lump it long and let our men win it just wont work anymore. He had 15 minutes at half time, a point down to come up with something. Keep it tight at the back and try and use runners between the 45s to build play. Keep them in it for 15 minutes into the second half and try and spook Tipp. But they just surrendered and played brain dead stuff.
He also has a history now of playing unfit players in important matches. Shefflin in 2010, Hogan and Mullen this year being the real stand outs. Hogan admitting on OTB he has a torn ligament in his knee ffs.

There was no way 15 on 15 Kilkenny would have won that game. Their game plan was singular and Tipp had already made the changes to counter act it before the red. But playing with probably 4 unfit players from midfield up, Buckley, Hogan, Mullen and in my opinion Walter Walsh was not near 100%. It was kamakazi stuff.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 23-08-2019 01:47PM

letsseehere14 wrote: »

I think a lot of Kilkennys reaction to the final, and looking for excuses has been building since 2016. The 3 beatings at the hands of Tipp, all in All Ireland Finals and twice in the last 4 years has added to the frustration and confusion. After 17 years of close to total dominance, suffering only a few defeats it has been a radical change in such a short time period.
People here dragging up incidents from 10 or more years ago to try to come up with some reason other than Kilkenny are not great anymore. Theyre still good, but not even close to great and its been a fall from grace that has been very rapid, there is no incident that can explain it other than they just dont have 5 or 6 absolute all time greats in their team any more. They have 1.

The decline was said to be happening after been knocked out in 2013, yet they contested the next 3 all-irelands winning 2 in a row. If anything the decline has been a lot slower that everyone predicted in 2013 and each year since

letsseehere14 wrote: »

I have it that from 1999 to their last AI in 2015 Kilkenny lost a grand total of 9 championship games. Thats 17 years with a back door system and only losing 9 games, winning 11 All Irelands.
In the last 4 years, 2016 to 2019 they have lost 9 games also. I know the format is different but it is a big change in a short time.

On Cody, his management of that final from the 30th minute mark on was shambolic. And having conversations this week his aura is now being questioned by a lot of people I know. No doubt he gets his team motivated, gets them very fit and well conditioned and they go out with a ruthless mindset, but tactically as the game as progressed they have not. Lump it long and let our men win it just wont work anymore. He had 15 minutes at half time, a point down to come up with something. Keep it tight at the back and try and use runners between the 45s to build play. Keep them in it for 15 minutes into the second half and try and spook Tipp. But they just surrendered and played brain dead stuff.
He also has a history now of playing unfit players in important matches. Shefflin in 2010, Hogan and Mullen this year being the real stand outs. Hogan admitting on OTB he has a torn ligament in his knee ffs.

There was no way 15 on 15 Kilkenny would have won that game. Their game plan was singular and Tipp had already made the changes to counter act it before the red. But playing with probably 4 unfit players from midfield up, Buckley, Hogan, Mullen and in my opinion Walter Walsh was not near 100%. It was kamakazi stuff.

There was no way that Kilkenny were going to lose that match if it remained 15 on 15. They had dominated the first 17 minutes earning a five point lead, then Tipp enjoyed a purple patch taking the lead at 30 mins. From that point on it was almost tit for tat with Tipp going to into half time with a lead by a solitary point, which clearly shows that Kilkenny had weathered the Tipp storm and were looking forward to unleashing their usual 15 minute onslaught after just after half time with 15 men on 15.
See we can all make authoritative statements that suits our narrative but the truth is that no one knows for sure how the game would have panned out

The_Kew_Tour · 23-08-2019 01:47PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Not that you are bitter or anything :eek:

No I'm enjoying it.:pac:

All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

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