All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

Bonniedog wrote: »

That's just bizarre now.

Can't get past the paywall, so haven't read the article, but going by reports I fail to see any practical benefit to this.

I don't think it affects him being able to tog out for Danesfort does it? Even if it did, they should let it drop.

The old adage about digging holes comes to mind.

Possibly miss Kilkenny's first league or championship match but I doubt thats what there thinking about.

I’m really disappointed with the KK supporters on here.

It was a 100% red card and KK would have been hammered either way.

Build a bridge lads ... Hogan deserved the red. Maybe the KK bitterness comes from the realization that the good times are over for ye for the foreseeable future and this could be your last all Ireland for a long time.

Theatrics is definitely sneaking it's way into gaa games. Paudie Maher made an absolute meal of the challenge from Tony Kelly earlier in the year which resulted in a red for Tony as well. I think it's an issue that the gaa doesn't want to talk about or even acknowledge cos it doesn't fit in with their whole image of the toughest fastest game in the world, and the "this isn't soccer" brigade.

tibruit wrote: »

It`s ironic that Barrett busted Hogans nose with a high and reckless challenge, but Hogan didn`t injure Barrett at all with his high challenge and Hogan gets the line and Barrett after some theatrics becomes the hero.

You can be injured without drawing blood you know. In fact I'd say the much more serious injuries that people are worried about are ones that don't draw blood ie concussion/neck injuries.

Barrett went for the ball, got it wrong, nicked Hogan on the nose. If the hurley met the visor at a slightly different angle that stopped it from hitting his nose, it would've been a free and no more about it. But no, some people see a bit of blood and it's the end of the world.

For me Barrett's foul was a yellow, Hogan's was a definite red.

And on it goes....

No talk of Conor Fogartys tackle on Brendan Maher which was essentially identical to Cathal Barretts tackle. Only difference is Maher kept his cool and didn't try and bury Fogarty at the next possible exchange.
Like Barrett's tackle also should have been a yellow. But I guess that one evened out.

bruschi wrote: »

it is astounding that this is still actually going on. the rule book does not state that reckless causing injury is a straight red. You are fabricating things now. Also, why are Kilkenny fans harping on about a video ref as if it is some kind of fact? Ye are completely speculating here and there is zero evidence that Owens got instructions over the red. The only people criticising the delay in the red card issuing is coming from Kilkenny. Most other people are actually praising him for taking his time and ensuring he didnt rush a major influential decision on a game.

Injuries or lack of them have no bearing on fouls or cards. You can get absolutely spilt open and be profusely bleeding and have to leave the game and it may not even be a foul. Had Hogan not a modified faceguard, there is a good chance he wouldnt have even got a nick at all. Connecting with the helmet or faceguard does not necessarily mean it is a straight red regardless of how it happened. Barrett went to play the ball and missed. Hogan went to shoulder Barrett and not only missed, but raised his arm to ensure he did strike him. One had intention to play the ball, one had intention to play the man and did so illegally. The incidents are absolutely chalk and cheese, and its crazy that 4 days on, it is still going.

Rule 5.32 To inflict an injury recklessly on an opponent by means other than those stated above.

Penalty: Order offender off.

Barrett was reckless and caused an injury. I don`t think there`s a whole lot of difference between the two tackles. Players are entitled to some duty of care. Barrett wasn`t injured. Apparently there`s an appeal going in for Hogan. I can`t see any grounds for it unless the final decision was made by someone other than the referee or linesman. You need to get over yourself because it`s going to go on for a while yet.

opinionated3 wrote: »

Theatrics is definitely sneaking it's way into gaa games. Paudie Maher made an absolute meal of the challenge from Tony Kelly earlier in the year which resulted in a red for Tony as well. I think it's an issue that the gaa doesn't want to talk about or even acknowledge cos it doesn't fit in with their whole image of the toughest fastest game in the world, and the "this isn't soccer" brigade.

Both men went down, Paudie was up off the ground well before Kelly. Which would indicate that there was a strong impact at least. Eoin Murphy went down very dramatically after a tackle from Forde, contorted himself with impressive agility.

1984baby wrote: »

Appeal story is b******t.
Statement from KK County Board.

https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/sport/472751/right-now-kilkenny-have-no-plans-to-appeal-hogan-red-card.html

You sure about that there is a lad in the Kilkenny thread claiming he has a "reliable source" that Owens was up to some dodgy dealings and he was 80% sure it would be rescinded.

I swear the ****e that gets sprouted around here at times is worthy of a comedy sketch series.

Powerhouse wrote: »

A couple of points: people keep talking about the incident being a sending-off "to the letter of the law". What else is there? It's either a rule or it's not. The occasion should make no difference.

Secondly it doesn't really matter whether Hogan hit Barrett with an elbow or forearm or even if it was shoulder. That's missing the point. The tackle impacted on his head and it was a red card, and would be a red card in any field sport because it is dangerous.

Tackles in other games or tackles in the same game that the referee might not have seen are irrelevant. Referees should not base decisions on trying to mirror a mistaken decision a referee might have made a month or a minute earlier. Of course you'll always have whataboutery among supporters who don't like a decision but you cannot legislate a sport in that manner. Ger Aylward got a goal against Galway last year after about 13 steps and it was mistakenly allowed. Does that mean that the steps rule is to be ignored forever more?

Referees make mistakes and people accept that and move on. Sending off Hogan was not one of them as Barry Kelly and Brian Gavin (who, unlike the average supporter, will have attended many meetings where rule implementation would have been discussed in a proper technical manner) have agreed. Hurling would be a very violent sport indeed if this kind of tackle were to be allowed and not red-carded. It is a pity that the incident happened but it was a red card.

Nowadays some refs don`t ref by the letter of the law and as long as they`re consistent, I don`t have a problem with that if it allows the game to flow. I`m not in favour of high tackles and I accept that the incident was red. But if you`re implementing the letter of the law on one incident, then you should do so on others of a similar nature also. The facts are that Barrett wasn`t injured and Hogan was. Barrett couldn`t connect with the ball without striking Hogan on the head.

For what it`s worth I also think that the occasion should make a difference and that referees should err on the side of leniency in an All Ireland final and try to be consistent.

This nonsense is getting annoying now. I have some sympathy for Richie based on the fact that for the vast majority of his career he almost certainly would not have got a red card for that tackle as Paudie Maher said, and also the implementation of severe punishment for reckless head high challenges has been somewhat ad-hoc this year. But it was technically the correct decision.
The suggestions of any of the other incidents in the game e.g. Barrett or Forde or the tackle on Brendan Maher were worthy of a red card are just complete rubbish and grasping at straws. It is perfectly obvious Barrett goes to flick the ball away and misses and some part of him or his hurley connects with Richie - A yellow card at the absolute most.

First post since Saturday. Fancied Kilkenny very strongly and after 15 mins whilst it looked good I was worried for them that they weren’t further ahead. Colin should never have allowed himself be hooked for that chance, it was a poor miss. He should have taken it on his weak side early. At the other end John Dwyer had less time and a faster ball to deal with and finished with a plomb. Having said all that KK were nicely placed just as they were against Limerick and just as happened against Limerick the opponents fought their way back before half time. The difference here however was KK had 15 men for the second half onslaught that was coming in the semi and the hard work done early template had worked in the semi and was on course again in the final, until the linesman decided Richie Hogan had to go. I was sitting in the Lower Hogan near the Hill end and saw Barrett’s assault on Richie some minutes earlier. James Owens saw it too as he gave a free. In real time it looked horrific I must say and I couldn’t believe it was only a free. To me it looked like a pre meditated strike safe in the knowledge the ball was in tenuous enough proximity to deem it acceptable in terms of avoiding sanction. Ok fair enough you say but the way Barrett acted after Richie mistimed his shoulder on him said to me the earlier incident was probably not an accident. I think Tipperary have some lovely hurlers and are pleasant on the eye but this win will be forever tainted, there was absolutely no doubt in my mind the unnecessary red card decided the match there and then for reason I outlined above regarding Limerick. Tipp had a spell but so did Limerick.

I felt the persistent fouling from Tipp backs in the early periods should have been met with yellow cards too, then they wouldn’t have been so gung ho in defence in the second half allowing them to take chances as they could absorb a yellow at that stage. Still as much as I admire Cody and feel for him for what happened before half time he needs to answer why ball after ball was lorried down on the Tipp fb in the second half? KK should have started the second half with 8 at the back with the intention of keeping this tight for ten minutes and no goals, no goals. After Bubbles Dwyer’s goal it was all over really.
Also questions need to be asked too about starting 3 clearly unfit players, in 2010 defeat to Tipp I felt he got off lightly in media by starting 2 unfit players that day.

A disappointing day out from the weather to the 7e for a programme. The linesman however ruined my day and I daresay many others with his over eagerness, if Barrett was allowed slide for arguably a far worse offence, then I would have expected a genuine great of the game like Richie to receive the same treatment.

golfball37 wrote: »

First post since Saturday. Fancied Kilkenny very strongly and after 15 mins whilst it looked good I was worried for them that they weren’t further ahead. Colin should never have allowed himself be hooked for that chance, it was a poor miss. He should have taken it on his weak side early. At the other end John Dwyer had less time and a faster ball to deal with and finished with a plomb. Having said all that KK were nicely placed just as they were against Limerick and just as happened against Limerick the opponents fought their way back before half time. The difference here however was KK had 15 men for the second half onslaught that was coming in the semi and the hard work done early template had worked in the semi and was on course again in the final, until the linesman decided Richie Hogan had to go. I was sitting in the Lower Hogan near the Hill end and saw Barrett’s assault on Richie some minutes earlier. James Owens saw it too as he gave a free. In real time it looked horrific I must say and I couldn’t believe it was only a free. To me it looked like a pre meditated strike safe in the knowledge the ball was in tenuous enough proximity to deem it acceptable in terms of avoiding sanction. Ok fair enough you say but the way Barrett acted after Richie mistimed his shoulder on him said to me the earlier incident was probably not an accident. I think Tipperary have some lovely hurlers and are pleasant on the eye but this win will be forever tainted, there was absolutely no doubt in my mind the unnecessary red card decided the match there and then for reason I outlined above regarding Limerick. Tipp had a spell but so did Limerick.

I felt the persistent fouling from Tipp backs in the early periods should have been met with yellow cards too, then they wouldn’t have been so gung ho in defence in the second half allowing them to take chances as they could absorb a yellow at that stage. Still as much as I admire Cody and feel for him for what happened before half time he needs to answer why ball after ball was lorried down on the Tipp fb in the second half? KK should have started the second half with 8 at the back with the intention of keeping this tight for ten minutes and no goals, no goals. After Bubbles Dwyer’s goal it was all over really.
Also questions need to be asked too about starting 3 clearly unfit players, in 2010 defeat to Tipp I felt he got off lightly in media by starting 2 unfit players that day.

A disappointing day out from the weather to the 7e for a programme. The linesman however ruined my day and I daresay many others with his over eagerness, if Barrett was allowed slide for arguably a far worse offence, then I would have expected a genuine great of the game like Richie to receive the same treatment.

It will be as tainted as KK win in 2009.