Chinese tyres. I am glad ......

CJhaughey · 18-08-2019 06:37PM

Another interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=_wo-9112aHw

18-08-2019 07:04PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Ok Daytona Dan, I'm out now as your replies are nonsensical.
What are you pushing if not the limit? Cloth?

You obviously don’t really understand driving very well so not much point in trying to explain.

CJhaughey wrote: »

Another interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=_wo-9112aHw

I really hope those who think budget tyres are just fine will watch this video.

lawred2 · 18-08-2019 08:58PM

Heres Johnny wrote: »

This thread just prompted me to have a look at what tyres my cars are wearing... Although I did know they were good I couldn't remember brand

My 5 series has Michelin pilotsport 4 all round ( 19 inch, 235 at the front 255 on the rear) and the A6 has Goodyear efficient grip 245s 18 inch all round.

Any experiences of the above tyres?
I've had no call to stop in a hurry in either car since I've had them anyway so haven't tested the tyres limits at all. No skids or loss of traction either

Any excuse to do some name dropping eh?

Heres Johnny · 18-08-2019 09:08PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Heres Johnny wrote: »

This thread just prompted me to have a look at what tyres my cars are wearing... Although I did know they were good I couldn't remember brand

My 5 series has Michelin pilotsport 4 all round ( 19 inch, 235 at the front 255 on the rear) and the A6 has Goodyear efficient grip 245s 18 inch all round.

Any experiences of the above tyres?
I've had no call to stop in a hurry in either car since I've had them anyway so haven't tested the tyres limits at all. No skids or loss of traction either

Any excuse to do some name dropping eh?

No, genuinely wondering if they're any good in people's experiences. Read reviews afterwards and they seem pretty solid

Wibbs · 18-08-2019 09:21PM

With brands like Michelin and Goodyear you're generally pretty sorted. Unless you're driving very high performance summer versions in snow or vice versa. Significantly better tyres than no name ditchfinders made from the finest grade chinesium.

And no, before the "I never go beyond 50kph and drive like a myopic nun" types chime in, it's not snobbishness, it's safety. Unless you actually never exceed 50kph and possess the psychic abilities of Uri Geller and can predict road conditions and other road users behaviour lowest common denominator "budget" tyres have less grip, less control and are less safe. Ask any professional driver their opinion and 99 outa 100 would agree and the hard data science backs this up.

I am not suggesting everyone must go and buy Yokomichelinyearbigwillie Turbo 2000s developed for NASA that cost a grand a corner, but given the only contact you and your car has with the road surface are your tyres, of all the things I'd budget down on a car, tyres would be the last. I did once many moons ago and never again. Bloody lethal in the damp, never mind the dry. And yes at low speeds with it.

It would be my opinion that anyone who can't see or tell the difference when driving has little business being on the road.

GreeBo · 18-08-2019 09:55PM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

You obviously don’t really understand driving very well so not much point in trying to explain.

I really hope those who think budget tyres are just fine will watch this video.

I really hope those who rely on expensive tyres instead of reading the conditions watch the video and learn to not corner at 50 when the road has a river on it.

The Rape of Lucretia · 18-08-2019 10:23PM

Wibbs wrote: »

given the only contact you and your car has with the road surface are your tyres

A fact, despite being in itself correct, does not make an argument.

Its a question of magnitude. Anyone hazard a guess, of all the contributing factors to road accidents in Ireland, where 'Vehicle fitted with Chinese tyres' comes on the list ?

Your hands are the only contact you have with the steering wheel, and so keeping the car pointed in the correct direction. How much thought do people give to the quality of the tackifier they apply to their driving gloves every time they sit into the driving seat ? Do people skimp and use cheap formulations, or stick with the premium brands ?

Wibbs · 18-08-2019 10:45PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

A fact, despite being in itself correct, does not make an argument.

It's a pretty bloody big argument. Try driving a 1960's car on crossplies. Hell, try driving a car on average tyre technology from the 90's. Regardless, a tyre with more traction, better water dispersal and more feedback to the driver is a safer tyre than one with less and given the same speed and conditions is a safer tyre. To suggest otherwise is frankly moronic, and aggressively so.

Its a question of magnitude. Anyone hazard a guess, of all the contributing factors to road accidents in Ireland, where 'Vehicle fitted with Chinese tyres' comes on the list ?

Having an albeit passing acquaintance with how road accidents are examined - and I use the word loosely - in most cases in Ireland, your guess is as good as mine.

Your hands are the only contact you have with the steering wheel, and so keeping the car pointed in the correct direction. How much thought do people give to the quality of the tackifier they apply to their driving gloves every time they sit into the driving seat ? Do people skimp and use cheap formulations, or stick with the premium brands ?

WTF are you wittering on about now by means of some nonsensical deflection? You also forgot the feet. Oft times the feet, particularly the right foot is more in play than the hands.

bazz26 · 18-08-2019 10:50PM

Waiting for Powerpants to turn up and tell us all tyres are the same except for the name and price.

Wailin · 18-08-2019 11:08PM

Heres Johnny wrote: »

My 5 series has Michelin pilotsport 4 all round ( 19 inch, 235 at the front 255 on the rear)

Are you sure it's not 275 on the rear? That's the normal configuration on the staggered m sport spec on the f10.

Heres Johnny · 18-08-2019 11:19PM

Wailin wrote: »

Heres Johnny wrote: »

My 5 series has Michelin pilotsport 4 all round ( 19 inch, 235 at the front 255 on the rear)

Are you sure it's not 275 on the rear? That's the normal configuration on the staggered m sport spec on the f10.

You're right actually just checked sizes I must have been thinking of the e60 I moved from last year, an 06 523i msport

zilog_jones · 19-08-2019 11:33AM

Heres Johnny wrote: »

This thread just prompted me to have a look at what tyres my cars are wearing... Although I did know they were good I couldn't remember brand

My 5 series has Michelin pilotsport 4 all round ( 19 inch, 235 at the front 255 on the rear) and the A6 has Goodyear efficient grip 245s 18 inch all round.

Any experiences of the above tyres?
I've had no call to stop in a hurry in either car since I've had them anyway so haven't tested the tyres limits at all. No skids or loss of traction either

I've been using Goodyear EfficientGrip Performance for the past few years and can't say I was too impressed - it didn't take much effort to get wheelspin on liftoff (in my Prius :rolleyes:) or see the traction control/ABS light come on when braking hard. 195/65 R15's though.

I've recently switched to Bridgestone Weather Control A005, haven't had them long but the grip seems substantially better, not to mention they're much better at absorbing rough surfaces and seem quieter in general. Will be interesting to see what they're like in winter. Maybe all-season tyres are better suited to this country, as we rarely have anything resembling "summer".

kirving · 19-08-2019 12:51PM

Wibbs wrote: »

It's a pretty bloody big argument. Try driving a 1960's car on crossplies. Hell, try driving a car on average tyre technology from the 90's. Regardless, a tyre with more traction, better water dispersal and more feedback to the driver is a safer tyre than one with less and given the same speed and conditions is a safer tyre. To suggest otherwise is frankly moronic, and aggressively so.

With the exception of when I was stuck on the motorway and needed a mobile tyre fitter, I only put good quality tyres on my car. On a technical level, and all else being equal, you're right. A better quality tyre is a safer tyre.

How big of a factor at macro-level road safety? Its hard to tell, but the person behind the wheel is by far and away the number one contributor to road safety by an astronomical margin. If every car in the country was fitted with best quality tyres available, I doubt the accident rate would be veritably different.

On a personal level, it's an absolute no-brainer to put the cost of one or two fuel fills into better quality tyres every 2 years or so. To me, it's a very worthwhile investment to give me confidence, and to do the best I can to protect me, my passengers, others around me and the car I invested in. (lol, can you invest in a depreciating asset?!)

It might only be that last couple of meters to spare, just once in 10 years of driving, but that is definitely worth it to me.

Not to derail the thread:
I guess it's a similar argument to that about cyclists and hi-vis reflective clothing. Hard to verify their effectiveness large scale, particularly when compared to Netherlands, etc. "If everyone just drove appropriate to the conditions, we wouldn't need it". Most people never realise the benefits. But it's that glimmer of light just once, in the corner of someones eye that makes the difference.

Heres Johnny · 19-08-2019 12:54PM

The A6 is torquey enough and I've often floored it from take off and never got any wheelspin at all but there is traction control on it, not sure if your prius had it or not and maybe that's a factor.

Wibbs · 19-08-2019 01:03PM

zilog_jones wrote: »

Maybe all-season tyres are better suited to this country, as we rarely have anything resembling "summer".

That would be my general take too Z. Over the years I've had various more performance type tyres on my yoke. In the summer in the dry they had unreal levels of grip, but performance tailed right off in the cold and damp. In icy conditions, good luck. Now I don't drive like a loony, but even so I noticed the drop off, though of the lot one set of Yokohama A80(IIRC?) were unreal in the dry and not so bad in the wet(pointless in anything like snow and ice, but would expect that). Latterly I've been running michelin crossclimates and for my application anyway I'd heartily recommend them. Not mad money either.

Tazzimus · 19-08-2019 01:36PM

Uniroyal rainsport are also a decent tyre for here.

GF's bro had them on his civic and went to a drag racing thing. Was the only one who could get grip in the rain.

Capra · 19-08-2019 10:02PM

Hard to beat Michelin pilot sport 4s I think. Expensive but excellent grip for any type of sporty car in all conditions. They seem to wear reasonably well too.

TheBoyConor · 20-08-2019 09:56AM

2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

?????
Yes they are. Infact the vast majority of people buy cars to do exactly that.

Stop going on about limits and pushing cars to the edge you sound like a clown.

Drive safely and get to where you are going safely.
It's common sense to slow down and increase your distance between you and the car in front of you when the road is wet

Edging and know your cars limits haha you'd swear it was a fooking rally car in a race you were driving everyday.

You are dead right. He sounds like a dangerous Muppet with little concern for other road users safety.
I wonder would be be so quick to push the limits after knocking down a child?

20-08-2019 10:09AM

GreeBo wrote: »

I really hope those who rely on expensive tyres instead of reading the conditions watch the video and learn to not corner at 50 when the road has a river on it.

Of maybe having premium tyres means you don’t have to tip toe around at the slightest hint of rain holding up everyone because your tyres are lethal and you have to allow for that in your driving.

What you have come out with after watching that video is idiotic, it is clear that budget tyres are a danger on the roads but you refuse to see that.

TheBoyConor wrote: »

You are dead right. He sounds like a dangerous Muppet with little concern for other road users safety.
I wonder would be be so quick to push the limits after knocking down a child?

It’s a bit rich coming from someone who has no issue using crap tyres, I wonder would you’ve so quick to recommend them after skidding into a child an knocking them down as your tyres couldn’t stop you.

TheBoyConor · 20-08-2019 10:09AM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

I’m neither reckless nor endanger anyone. Using crap tyres on the other hand...

Grow up? it’s you and a few others who refuse to understand the massive difference good tyres make that need to grow up.

It’s not just when driving a car on in every single situation the car with premium tyres will stop faster, often considerably faster. How can you not see that as being a big deal?

Best of luck convincing a judge that fast, mad driving on expensive tyres is safe and normal driving on cheap Chinese triangles is wreckless when you end up in court over knocking someone down or causing a crash.
Because with your attitude, that is where you will end up sooner or later.

I think it is going to take a bad accident to get you to get some maturity and cop yourself on.

You are a typical young 20s male.

TheBoyConor · 20-08-2019 10:13AM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

I’m neither reckless nor endanger anyone. Using crap tyres on the other hand...

Grow up? it’s you and a few others who refuse to understand the massive difference good tyres make that need to grow up.

It’s not just when driving a car on in every single situation the car with premium tyres will stop faster, often considerably faster. How can you not see that as being a big deal?

It's irrelevant if you just don't speed or do stupid "limit tests" on roundabouts and drive normally, leave enough space, slow down in the wet and generally don't act like a tool on the road.

Get into your car, drive where your are going safely, come home safely. No need for all this performance premium limits bullshít you're waffling on with. No one cares bro.

20-08-2019 10:14AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

You are a typical young 20s male.

Except for the fact I’m in my mid 30’s with 18 years driving without putting a scratch on a car and lots of experience driving other heavy vehicles also.

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Get into your car, drive where your are going safely, come home safely. No need for all this performance premium limits bullshít you're waffling on with. No one cares bro.

I do drive safely but you aren’t able to understand that driving safely doesn’t have to mean your way of driving. The fact you are so adamant that tyres don’t matter is all I need to know about your understanding of driving, it tells me you haven’t a clue.

Also would you ever give it a rest with your “limit tests”. An occasional spirited drive around an empty roundabout to get a feel for tyre performance is not something that’s worth your continued posting about it.

Tazzimus · 20-08-2019 10:15AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

It's irrelevant if you just don't speed or do stupid "limit tests" on roundabouts and drive normally, leave enough space, slow down in the wet and generally don't act like a tool on the road.

Get into your car, drive where your are going safely, come home safely. No need for all this performance premium limits bullshít you're waffling on with. No one cares bro.

Except it's not.

I've had cheap tyres on a car before and even at low speeds, there was zero grip, they might as well have been made of hard plastic.

ted1 · 20-08-2019 10:15AM

ronnie3585 wrote: »

I had a Mk1 Focus back in the day. When I got the car (second hand) it had Chinese ditch-finders on it. First drive on a properly wet day, I was going around the (now gone) magic roundabout at Terryland in Galway. Was doing around 15mph, took my foot of the accelerator and got lift off oversteer! The thing was almost undriveable in the wet. I postponed my plans and immediately drove to Advance to put Continentals on it. The difference it made was enormous.

When I bought my GTi, it had cheap Bridgestones on it. I changed them to Goodyear Eagle Asymmetric F1s and it completely transformed the car.

Tyres make a huge difference to any car.

How worn were the tyres ? New tyres will generally always make a difference

Bigus · 20-08-2019 10:18AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

It's irrelevant if you just don't speed or do stupid "limit tests" on roundabouts and drive normally, leave enough space, slow down in the wet and generally don't act like a tool on the road.

Get into your car, drive where your are going safely, come home safely. No need for all this performance premium limits bullshyou're waffling on with. No one cares bro.

Ok , so your on an Irish motorway and have slowed from 120 Kmh to 100 Kmh because of heavy rain , all of a sudden you hit a river of water running across the lanes from a blocked drain on a slight curve , what tyres do you need then ?

I suppose your answer is you should’ve been slowed to 60 on your cheap tyres waiting for somebody else to rear end you .

Paddy@CIRL · 20-08-2019 10:26AM

I can't believe I have to share the same roads with some of the people in this thread.

GreeBo · 20-08-2019 10:30AM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Of maybe having premium tyres means you don’t have to tip toe around at the slightest hint of rain holding up everyone because your tyres are lethal and you have to allow for that in your driving.

If you think a wet weather track is in any way equivalent to "slightest hint of rain" then its not your tires that need examining.

I have never said that the cheapest of tires are sufficient or as god as the most expensive, despite your continued argument that i have.

Cyclepath · 20-08-2019 10:46AM

Tyres should have an eu rating before you buy them. Regardless of where they're made, you can generally trust that the rating is accurate. Make your purchasing decision based on the best rating you can afford, rather than a vague idea based on country of origin.

https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/documents/FIN%20User%20guide%20-%20tyres.pdf

zilog_jones · 20-08-2019 11:11AM

I wouldn't put much faith in some test done in a lab - this has little bearing on performance in the real world.

Cyclepath · 20-08-2019 11:31AM

zilog_jones wrote: »

I wouldn't put much faith in some test done in a lab - this has little bearing on performance in the real world.

Ah sure maybe you're right. Sure you can prove anything with 'facts'!
Damn scientists fiddling about in their 'laboratories'...

And, why on earth would you want to use actual scientific data in your decision? Far better to base your purchase on some vague notion of branding and a few anecdotes that the barman passed on about a mate of his who knows this chap whose sister put her micra arse first through a hedge last year on those bloody chinese tyres...

You do know they actually drive around test tracks too don't you?

Chinese tyres. I am glad ......

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