Chinese tyres. I am glad ......

koutoubia

..that I chose proper tyres.
Yesterday driving along the M50 in torentiall rain heading for the M1 slip road when the cars in front of me start braking hard. Out go the anchors and easily come to a stop.If I had a set of **** King Specials on I reckon I wouldnt have stopped.
I look in my rear view and the car behind me, a red citreon mpv, was struggling to stop. I braced for impact but he managed to stop.

Meanwhile the car in front of me moved a few feet and I moved as well. Then I heard the sound of tyres skidding and the sound of a collision.
Looked in the rear view ..red citreon not there but an open back van was sideways.Glanced in the side mirror and the red citreon had been shunted into the centre lane.
Hope every one was ok bus was so close to getting hit and rear ending someone.

XsApollo

It’s not until you really need them, that you will find out how crap they are. :-)

colm_mcm

People refuse to keep the correct distance from each other. This compiunds things.

xabi

The good old ditch finders

koutoubia

Actually reminds me to get the OBD dongle out and set up the hazards to come on when hard braking is activated.

koutoubia

colm_mcm wrote: »

People refuse to keep the correct distance from each other. This compiunds things.

Absoultley.
I came up via M9 and you could barely see two cars ahead and people were driving as per normal.
Fook all distance being left at 100kph+

colm_mcm

I still remember the day of the huge pileup on the M9/M7

Del2005

colm_mcm wrote: »

People refuse to keep the correct distance from each other. This compiunds things.

Even more reason to have quality tyres. Tailgating on ditch-finders is doubling down the stupidity.

colm_mcm

Tailgate with Michelin.

I can see it now.

The Rape of Lucretia

koutoubia wrote: »

..that I chose proper tyres.
Yesterday driving along the M50 in torentiall rain heading for the M1 slip road when the cars in front of me start braking hard. Out go the anchors and easily come to a stop.If I had a set of **** King Specials on I reckon I wouldnt have stopped.
I look in my rear view and the car behind me, a red citreon mpv, was struggling to stop. I braced for impact but he managed to stop.

Meanwhile the car in front of me moved a few feet and I moved as well. Then I heard the sound of tyres skidding and the sound of a collision.
Looked in the rear view ..red citreon not there but an open back van was sideways.Glanced in the side mirror and the red citreon had been shunted into the centre lane.
Hope every one was ok bus was so close to getting hit and rear ending someone.

So people driving dangerously in torrential rain prompts lazy tyre stereotype propagation ?

koutoubia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

So people driving dangerously in torrential rain prompts lazy tyre stereotype propagation ?

Yeah.

jmreire

Driving in wet condition's immediately after a dry spell, without taking it into account is asking for trouble , but doing it on cheap Tyre's is begging for it.

bazz26

Waits with popcorn for the old reliable "all tyres are the same, your just paying for the brand." posts now.

uck51js9zml2yt

bazz26 wrote: »

Waits with popcorn for the old reliable "all tyres are the same, your just paying for the brand." posts now.

All tyres are equal but some are more equal than others.

I Always use Michelin

screamer

Yeah... they’re all Chinese tyres these days or didn’t you know that. Makes **** all difference what tyres you have if you’re going too hard you’re ****ed.

screamer

screamer wrote: »

Yeah... they’re all Chinese tyres these days or didn’t you know that. Makes **** all difference what tyres you have if you’re going too hard you’re ****ed.

There is a phenomenal difference between tyres, so it makes a massive difference which ones you have. Premium tyres are vastly better than Chinese crap.

TrailerBob

screamer wrote: »

Yeah... they’re all Chinese tyres these days or didn’t you know that. Makes **** all difference what tyres you have if you’re going too hard you’re ****ed.

My Michelin latitude were made in Poland.. just sayin...

And I reckon they've saved my bacon on two occasions, when I had to avoid a van that didn't stop at a stop sign and they stuck to the road, and a sudden motorway lane crosser at 130kph in France. For me, in a 2.5 ton machine, the rubber on the road makes all the difference.

Dartz

Had to put some Grenlanders on because of an emergency. Only tyres available after getting one slashed.

They kick the back out when changing lanes.

If I wasn't stuck for cash because of 'the emergency' I'd have a decent set of tyres on them before the mould flash had even flattened but they have to stay.

Precariously so.

Del2005

screamer wrote: »

Yeah... they’re all Chinese tyres these days or didn’t you know that. Makes **** all difference what tyres you have if you’re going too hard you’re ****ed.

I got a skid from a standing start turning a corner in a residential area, Miss Daisy would be telling me to speed up in residential areas.

kala85

Are Bridgestone any good..

Sam Quentin

Blah blah blah blah blah blah...
All joking aside:- Keep your distance and slow down.
The End.

freddieot

kala85 wrote: »

Are Bridgestone any good..

I've had Michelin, then Dunlop, then Continental and then Bridgestone on my X5. Michelin the best by a big margin and Bridgestone the worst by a big margin. They last well but I found them dreadful in the wet compared to other brands.

I have Hankooks on my Kodiaq and they hold on in the wet like a rabid dog. Found the same when I had them on a Santa Fe a few years ago.

It never ceases to amaze me that people buy a good performing car with many of the latest safety features and then put s*ite cheap tyres on them. I'd normally say 'to each their own' on matters of spending on cars and related issues but of course you're not just risking your own life when you buy cr*p tyres.

Dravokivich

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

There is a phenomenal difference between tyres, so it makes a massive difference which ones you have. Premium tyres are vastly better than Chinese crap.

I think they are suggesting, if your driving is bad, it really doesn't matter where the tires are from or who made them. The attitude behind the wheel is the problem, not what's on the wheels.

bladespin

So, no need for careful driving if you have super duper tyres???

Jeju

Was changing tyres and pricing around for some run flats, was offered a brand called Land Sail, the imagery of me sailing across the road into a ditch was enough to say no before he got to the price.

bladespin

Jeju wrote: »

Was changing tyres and pricing around for some run flats, was offered a brand called Land Sail, the imagery of me sailing across the road into a ditch was enough to say no before he got to the price.

Some Chinese names are just brilliant though

biko

OP is assuming he wouldn't have been able to stop with Chinese tyres on, is that the basis for this thread?
It's kinda like, I am glad I didn't have an elephant in the boot in which case I might have crashed.

But yeah, fit good tyres and make sure brakes are tip-top, and of course keep your distance.

lawred2

koutoubia wrote: »

..that I chose proper tyres.
Yesterday driving along the M50 in torentiall rain heading for the M1 slip road when the cars in front of me start braking hard. Out go the anchors and easily come to a stop.If I had a set of **** King Specials on I reckon I wouldnt have stopped.
I look in my rear view and the car behind me, a red citreon mpv, was struggling to stop. I braced for impact but he managed to stop.

Meanwhile the car in front of me moved a few feet and I moved as well. Then I heard the sound of tyres skidding and the sound of a collision.
Looked in the rear view ..red citreon not there but an open back van was sideways.Glanced in the side mirror and the red citreon had been shunted into the centre lane.
Hope every one was ok bus was so close to getting hit and rear ending someone.

How do you know what types of tyres these other cars had?

Did you get out and do a spot survey?

lawred2

biko wrote: »

OP is assuming he wouldn't have been able to stop with Chinese tyres on, is that the basis for this thread?
It's kinda like, I am glad I didn't have an elephant in the boot in which case I might have crashed.

But yeah, fit good tyres and make sure brakes are tip-top, and of course keep your distance.

well worse - he's assuming that the other cars not stopping like him all had budget brand asian tyres...

bladespin

Basic stuff, know your car's and your own limitations and drive within them, problem comes with many not even having the basic skill to understand this nevermind have the ability to quantify, no doubt the chinese tyre would have stopped you in time (if you'd left enough for it).

Tazzimus

colm_mcm wrote: »

People refuse to keep the correct distance from each other. This compiunds things.

This is likely the actual reason for the crash, and people not paying attention.
I've seen people driving down the M50 watching videos on their phone, a lot of people seem to just tune out when they get into their cars.

OP how do you know they were Chinese brand tyres, did you look?

GreeBo

If the anchors have to come out just because someone in front stops then you are doing it wrong.

Cordell

"i'm not a sht driver, itwas the tyres"

Outkast_IRE

Have the michelin cross climate + on all four corners and find them perfect for this country which seems to get a bit of everything in each year. Have had to put them to the test braking in heavy rain and they performed really well, the snow/ice rating is just a nice bonus if you get caught out the odd day.

begbysback

bladespin wrote: »

Basic stuff, know your car's and your own limitations and drive within them, problem comes with many not even having the basic skill to understand this nevermind have the ability to quantify, no doubt the chinese tyre would have stopped you in time (if you'd left enough for it).

It is basic stuff but the majority of drivers don’t know the limitations, you can see this when drivers are turning corners at an extremely cautious pace, like they are expecting come off the rails at any time.

GreeBo

begbysback wrote: »

It is basic stuff but the majority of drivers don’t know the limitations, you can see this when drivers are turning corners at an extremely cautious pace, like they are expecting come off the rails at any time.

I much prefer this than Johnny "racing-line" Corners who cant go around a corner in his own lane.

lawred2

begbysback wrote: »

It is basic stuff but the majority of drivers don’t know the limitations, you can see this when drivers are turning corners at an extremely cautious pace, like they are expecting come off the rails at any time.

should be aiming for racing line - hit the apex hard

even better if you can do some left foot braking while keeping on the gas

lawred2

gah GreeBo beat me to it

GreeBo

lawred2 wrote: »

gah GreeBo beat me to it

you might say that I cut the corner...:pac:

Cordell

Do that on a public 2 lane road and it's not the apex that you're going to hit...

Tazzimus

Cordell wrote: »

Do that on a public 2 lane road and it's not the apex that you're going to hit...

I do it regularly. Well, within my lane anyway.
I know how to keep between the lines

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

I think they are suggesting, if your driving is bad, it really doesn't matter where the tires are from or who made them. The attitude behind the wheel is the problem, not what's on the wheels.

You can drive much harder and closer to the “edge” though with premium tyres than Chinese tyres so it does make a big difference.

GreeBo wrote: »

If the anchors have to come out just because someone in front stops then you are doing it wrong.

Even keeping a decent distance behind the car in front if they hammer the brakes your going to have to also so I’d disagree with the above.

begbysback

GreeBo wrote: »

I much prefer this than Johnny "racing-line" Corners who cant go around a corner in his own lane.

Fair enough but I’d place torrential rain and overly cautious drivers in the same category when assessing tyre choice.

bladespin

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

You can drive much harder and closer to the “edge” though with premium tyres than Chinese tyres so it does make a big difference.

Should never even get near this on the road, track all fine and dandy but the road isn't the place to test.

greasepalm

Tyres need to be able to match the car as i remember 30 years ago when i had a micra with full sports kit i needed 4 tyres and went for pirrelli good name everybody knew but i remember going around a roundabout at 30mph and the back of the car just swung out and nearly had brown trousers.Took them back and got Yokohama tyres which stuck to the road and no more brown trousers.

Pirrelli tyres might have worked if i had a heavier car so tyres would grip the road.

ronnie3585

I had a Mk1 Focus back in the day. When I got the car (second hand) it had Chinese ditch-finders on it. First drive on a properly wet day, I was going around the (now gone) magic roundabout at Terryland in Galway. Was doing around 15mph, took my foot of the accelerator and got lift off oversteer! The thing was almost undriveable in the wet. I postponed my plans and immediately drove to Advance to put Continentals on it. The difference it made was enormous.

When I bought my GTi, it had cheap Bridgestones on it. I changed them to Goodyear Eagle Asymmetric F1s and it completely transformed the car.

Tyres make a huge difference to any car.

TheBoyConor

I don't even know what brand tires I have. But I do know they are they cheapest possible. I've driven on them for years no problem.

The nct I failed last week also gave me an advisory because one of my tires (it was an old spare I put on to get me through the test) was older than 6 years with the side walls polished from the wheel cover being on it for years in the boot. I told him "so I don't actually have to change it for the test then?". I said "grand so. I'll change that light bulb, slap a strip of lens tape over the cracked light and I'll be back for my new disc in a half hour".

I have 16" alloys on the back but 15" steels on the front because I found them with good thread on a scrap car and I put them on to get me through a previous NCT when my 16" fronts were worn to crap. I haven't spend a single cent on tyres in about 3 years and I don't plan on spending a cent for at least another year when all possible tyre rotations and free tires I might come across are used up.

GreeBo

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

You can drive much harder and closer to the “edge” though with premium tyres than Chinese tyres so it does make a big difference.

Why are you driving hard and close to the edge on a public road?

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Even keeping a decent distance behind the car in front if they hammer the brakes your going to have to also so I’d disagree with the above.

Sure you will have to brake hard, but if its "oh************" blind panic then you were too close to begin with.

Wishbone Ash

begbysback wrote: »

It is basic stuff but the majority of drivers don’t know the limitations...

I don't know the limitations of my car when cornering nor do I want do. I'd just prefer to corner at a speed that I feel is safe and appropriate. Surely you'd only know the limitations by exceeding them - then it's too late.

I have Hankook tyres on my car, am I part of the great unwashed?

893bet

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Have the michelin cross climate + on all four corners and find them perfect for this country which seems to get a bit of everything in each year. Have had to put them to the test braking in heavy rain and they performed really well, the snow/ice rating is just a nice bonus if you get caught out the odd day.

X 2.

The only surface they perform poorly on is loose chip, like a freshly chipped road. Very few tyres handle this surface, if any handle this surface at any speed.