Chinese tyres. I am glad ......

GreeBo · 16-08-2019 10:08AM

If the anchors have to come out just because someone in front stops then you are doing it wrong.

Cordell · 16-08-2019 10:09AM

"i'm not a sht driver, itwas the tyres"

Outkast_IRE · 16-08-2019 10:09AM

Have the michelin cross climate + on all four corners and find them perfect for this country which seems to get a bit of everything in each year. Have had to put them to the test braking in heavy rain and they performed really well, the snow/ice rating is just a nice bonus if you get caught out the odd day.

begbysback · 16-08-2019 10:09AM

bladespin wrote: »

Basic stuff, know your car's and your own limitations and drive within them, problem comes with many not even having the basic skill to understand this nevermind have the ability to quantify, no doubt the chinese tyre would have stopped you in time (if you'd left enough for it).

It is basic stuff but the majority of drivers don’t know the limitations, you can see this when drivers are turning corners at an extremely cautious pace, like they are expecting come off the rails at any time.

GreeBo · 16-08-2019 10:10AM

begbysback wrote: »

It is basic stuff but the majority of drivers don’t know the limitations, you can see this when drivers are turning corners at an extremely cautious pace, like they are expecting come off the rails at any time.

I much prefer this than Johnny "racing-line" Corners who cant go around a corner in his own lane.

lawred2 · 16-08-2019 10:11AM

begbysback wrote: »

It is basic stuff but the majority of drivers don’t know the limitations, you can see this when drivers are turning corners at an extremely cautious pace, like they are expecting come off the rails at any time.

should be aiming for racing line - hit the apex hard

even better if you can do some left foot braking while keeping on the gas

lawred2 · 16-08-2019 10:12AM

gah GreeBo beat me to it

GreeBo · 16-08-2019 10:13AM

lawred2 wrote: »

gah GreeBo beat me to it

you might say that I cut the corner...:pac:

Cordell · 16-08-2019 10:13AM

Do that on a public 2 lane road and it's not the apex that you're going to hit...

Tazzimus · 16-08-2019 10:15AM

Cordell wrote: »

Do that on a public 2 lane road and it's not the apex that you're going to hit...

I do it regularly. Well, within my lane anyway.
I know how to keep between the lines

16-08-2019 10:17AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I think they are suggesting, if your driving is bad, it really doesn't matter where the tires are from or who made them. The attitude behind the wheel is the problem, not what's on the wheels.

You can drive much harder and closer to the “edge” though with premium tyres than Chinese tyres so it does make a big difference.

GreeBo wrote: »

If the anchors have to come out just because someone in front stops then you are doing it wrong.

Even keeping a decent distance behind the car in front if they hammer the brakes your going to have to also so I’d disagree with the above.

begbysback · 16-08-2019 10:26AM

GreeBo wrote: »

I much prefer this than Johnny "racing-line" Corners who cant go around a corner in his own lane.

Fair enough but I’d place torrential rain and overly cautious drivers in the same category when assessing tyre choice.

bladespin · 16-08-2019 10:28AM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

You can drive much harder and closer to the “edge” though with premium tyres than Chinese tyres so it does make a big difference.

Should never even get near this on the road, track all fine and dandy but the road isn't the place to test.

greasepalm · 16-08-2019 10:33AM

Tyres need to be able to match the car as i remember 30 years ago when i had a micra with full sports kit i needed 4 tyres and went for pirrelli good name everybody knew but i remember going around a roundabout at 30mph and the back of the car just swung out and nearly had brown trousers.Took them back and got Yokohama tyres which stuck to the road and no more brown trousers.

Pirrelli tyres might have worked if i had a heavier car so tyres would grip the road.

ronnie3585 · 16-08-2019 10:39AM

I had a Mk1 Focus back in the day. When I got the car (second hand) it had Chinese ditch-finders on it. First drive on a properly wet day, I was going around the (now gone) magic roundabout at Terryland in Galway. Was doing around 15mph, took my foot of the accelerator and got lift off oversteer! The thing was almost undriveable in the wet. I postponed my plans and immediately drove to Advance to put Continentals on it. The difference it made was enormous.

When I bought my GTi, it had cheap Bridgestones on it. I changed them to Goodyear Eagle Asymmetric F1s and it completely transformed the car.

Tyres make a huge difference to any car.

TheBoyConor · 16-08-2019 10:39AM

I don't even know what brand tires I have. But I do know they are they cheapest possible. I've driven on them for years no problem.

The nct I failed last week also gave me an advisory because one of my tires (it was an old spare I put on to get me through the test) was older than 6 years with the side walls polished from the wheel cover being on it for years in the boot. I told him "so I don't actually have to change it for the test then?". I said "grand so. I'll change that light bulb, slap a strip of lens tape over the cracked light and I'll be back for my new disc in a half hour".

I have 16" alloys on the back but 15" steels on the front because I found them with good thread on a scrap car and I put them on to get me through a previous NCT when my 16" fronts were worn to crap. I haven't spend a single cent on tyres in about 3 years and I don't plan on spending a cent for at least another year when all possible tyre rotations and free tires I might come across are used up.

GreeBo · 16-08-2019 10:42AM

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

You can drive much harder and closer to the “edge” though with premium tyres than Chinese tyres so it does make a big difference.

Why are you driving hard and close to the edge on a public road?

Luella Harsh Sideline wrote: »

Even keeping a decent distance behind the car in front if they hammer the brakes your going to have to also so I’d disagree with the above.

Sure you will have to brake hard, but if its "oh************" blind panic then you were too close to begin with.

Wishbone Ash · 16-08-2019 10:42AM

begbysback wrote: »

It is basic stuff but the majority of drivers don’t know the limitations...

I don't know the limitations of my car when cornering nor do I want do. I'd just prefer to corner at a speed that I feel is safe and appropriate. Surely you'd only know the limitations by exceeding them - then it's too late.

16-08-2019 10:42AM

I have Hankook tyres on my car, am I part of the great unwashed?

893bet · 16-08-2019 10:45AM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Have the michelin cross climate + on all four corners and find them perfect for this country which seems to get a bit of everything in each year. Have had to put them to the test braking in heavy rain and they performed really well, the snow/ice rating is just a nice bonus if you get caught out the odd day.

X 2.

The only surface they perform poorly on is loose chip, like a freshly chipped road. Very few tyres handle this surface, if any handle this surface at any speed.

Tazzimus · 16-08-2019 10:45AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I don't know the limitations of my car when cornering nor do I want do. I'd just prefer to corner at a speed that I feel is safe and appropriate. Surely you'd only know the limitations by exceeding them - then it's too late.

I'd rather know the limitations of my car so I know when it's near them in potential incidents. If I know how my car reacts, I can react appropriately when something happens around me.

Deleted User wrote: »

I have Hankook tyres on my car, am I part of the great unwashed?

I had Hankooks on th eDC2 and had it out on track, they're decent enough for a mid range brand.

893bet · 16-08-2019 10:46AM

What’s also important to remember there is a huge variety within a brand. Each brand has its budget end of the range up to its premium end.

Cordell · 16-08-2019 10:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have Hankook tyres on my car, am I part of the great unwashed?

No, they are proper tyres, Korean not Chinese. Factory fitted on Hyundai's.

GreeBo · 16-08-2019 10:48AM

There seems to be a bit of a sniff of "if I have expensive tires then I dont have to worry about road conditions and appropriate speed" on this thread.

Its worrying and disappointing at the same time.

InTheShadows · 16-08-2019 10:48AM

Using cheap tyres on cars for years never an issue. Drive within your limits and you'll be fine.

bladespin · 16-08-2019 10:54AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I don't know the limitations of my car when cornering nor do I want do. I'd just prefer to corner at a speed that I feel is safe and appropriate. Surely you'd only know the limitations by exceeding them - then it's too late.

Know your limitation and your car's, this statement suggests you do know them.

TheBoyConor · 16-08-2019 11:01AM

InTheShadows wrote: »

Using cheap tyres on cars for years never an issue. Drive within your limits and you'll be fine.

Finally some sensible talk.

I can't stand this craic of fellas, and it is fellas, waffling on about performance and tires and pushing it to the limits and all this craic. It's frankly stupid petrol head talk.

Get in your car, pay attention, drive at a modest speed that's appropriate to road conditions and you'll be grand no matter what tires you have on.

I've been driving 15 years on the cheapest tires money could buy or get for free in the cheapest cars money could buy. Never had an issue with anything tyre related.

begbysback · 16-08-2019 11:18AM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I don't know the limitations of my car when cornering nor do I want do. I'd just prefer to corner at a speed that I feel is safe and appropriate. Surely you'd only know the limitations by exceeding them - then it's too late.

It’s fairly basic stuff knowing what a car is capable of, cornering, braking, speed, you don’t need to go over, for example when you go around a corner or break you get a sense of how the car has handled it, overly cautious drivers never get such a sense because it seems that once they turn a corner or go as fast as they are comfortable with then that is considered the cars limitations by them.

TherapyBoy · 16-08-2019 11:30AM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Get in your car, pay attention, drive at a modest speed that's appropriate to road conditions and you'll be grand no matter what tires you have on.

Great advice! Always important & good to remember.

I've been driving 15 years on the cheapest tires money could buy or get for free in the cheapest cars money could buy. Never had an issue with anything tyre related.

15 years is a long time, maybe you’ve forgotten what premium tyres feel like while driving.

TrailerBob · 16-08-2019 12:05PM

Cheap tyres are fine when you're driving carefully, and paying attention to the road and being a perfect driver in every way.

It's when someone else does something unexpected that the good tyres make a difference, especially in the wet. And I'm not talking about keeping distance.. the van that ran a stop sign for me was on an 80k road, anD he looked like he was stopping, but just ran on... The car in France shot across into my lane level with my front wing as I was passing him.. I still don't know why.. but in both cases my reflexes were half the equation.. the tyres were the other..

For me and the safety of others in my vehicle I'll still buy some good tyres and you can laugh at me with your extra money.

Chinese tyres. I am glad ......

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