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All Ireland Senior Hurling (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2019

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  • #4832
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭slegs


    holyhead wrote: »
    Having a player sent off is always liable to influence the outcome of the game especially so early in the match. If Cody felt the sending off was harsh he has every right to say so. We will never know if KK would have won with 15. That's a game of ifs buts and maybe's.
    A hiding is always a possibility when down a man so I wouldn't be handing out medals to Tipp on that score.

    Let's see Tipp win back to back All Irelands before acclaiming them as some great side. Tipp won today and let them enjoy it.

    Kilkenny people doing their best to take away from Tipps enjoyment by implying a clear sending off wasn’t. We all saw it. Why is only people with black and amber tinted glasses think it wasn’t a sending off


  • #4833
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,337 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Road-Hog wrote: »
    Will he retire from his permanent position. I believe he retired from his part time job a couple of years ago (teaching)....? He can’t go on forever surely....would not be a time to hang up the ‘black base-ball’ cap ��......?

    In fairness to Brian Cody he has remained the same way on the sideline over the past twenty years,no ipad,note books or Secret Service type whispering into a clipped on microphone.His only technology,a spit on the hand.


  • #4834
    False Prophet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭False Prophet


    Hawkeye9212 wrote: »
    Cody's comment about the refs taking their time to make a decision is embarrassing.

    Why? Cody was near it when it happened, didnt have multi replays. he is clearly old school where you dont go down easy or try to get a player sent off.

    Look for me it's a red by the current rules but the rule needs to be revisited as a sinbin or black card type would be sufficient punishment.

    Players are amateurs and the impact that being the fall guy can have on a young person life mentally needs to be remembered.


  • #4835
    holyhead
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    slegs wrote: »
    Kilkenny people doing their best to take away from Tipps enjoyment by implying a clear sending off wasn’t. We all saw it. Why is only people with black and amber tinted glasses think it wasn’t a sending off

    Can someone tell Barrett where Hollywood is :pac:


  • #4836
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I'd be pretty disappointed i nBarrett today. He took a hit but he really made the most of it. I guess its the way the game is going but maybe Richie was a bit naive in trying to lay a big hit on the sideline like that. Compare it to Richie and how he reacted from taking a dirty hit against Cork in the quarter final when jumping straight up. He could have got his man sent off that day.

    Maybe Kilkenny need to get a bit more cynical in how they react to foul play.

    Also how may similar tackles to Richies have we seen this season and how many straight reds? I can't think of any.

    It's really disappointing to see an All Ireland decided like that.


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  • #4837
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,600 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    slegs wrote: »
    Kilkenny people doing their best to take away from Tipps enjoyment by implying a clear sending off wasn’t. We all saw it. Why is only people with black and amber tinted glasses think it wasn’t a sending off

    Tyrell and Shefflin were laughable in their defence. They could have just said it was unlike hogan or he’s not that type of player but to try and somehow blame Barrett for milking it was comical.


  • #4838
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭slegs


    holyhead wrote: »
    Can someone tell Barrett where Hollywood is :pac:

    I agree but his reaction is not relevant to the decision.


  • #4839
    1373
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭1373


    holyhead wrote: »
    Can someone tell Barrett where Hollywood is :pac:

    Wicklow


  • #4840
    Comerman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Comerman


    slegs wrote: »
    Kilkenny people doing their best to take away from Tipps enjoyment by implying a clear sending off wasn’t. We all saw it. Why is only people with black and amber tinted glasses think it wasn’t a sending off
    It was a sending off offence as much as Barretts foul on Hogan was And at that I'll still say the best team won. Enjoy yere one in a row.


  • #4841
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭slegs


    Comerman wrote: »
    It was a sending off offence as much as Barretts foul on Hogan was And at that I'll still say the best team won. Enjoy yere one in a row.

    I’m not from Tipp and no it wasn’t. Hogan’s was red the other wasn’t however much you want it to be


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  • #4842
    Comerman
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    slegs wrote: »
    I’m not from Tipp

    Congratulations


  • #4843
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    slegs wrote: »
    I agree but his reaction is not relevant to the decision.

    That doesn't make sense. It's his reactions which alerts the ref to something potentially amiss surely?


  • #4844
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,600 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    1373 wrote: »
    Wicklow

    Or Down.


  • #4845
    slegs
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    holyhead wrote: »
    That doesn't make sense. It's his reactions which alerts the ref to something potentially amiss surely?

    Nope. It was Hogan’s raising of an elbow intentionally and then catching Barrett that caused the sending off. It’s not rocket science


  • #4846
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,121 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    slegs wrote: »
    holyhead wrote: »
    Can someone tell Barrett where Hollywood is :pac:

    I agree but his reaction is not relevant to the decision.
    Why did the ref have to go over and check on Barrett before making his decision then? It clearly played into it.

    I say this as someone who agrees, in retrospect, that it was a red, by the way. But pretending Barrett's reaction wasn't ridiculous, and didn't affect the decision, is also wrong. Hogan is at this long enough to have known better than to go in recklessly like that though, was a very bad decision from him.


  • #4847
    TheRiverman
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    adrian522 wrote: »
    I'd be pretty disappointed i nBarrett today. He took a hit but he really made the most of it. I guess its the way the game is going but maybe Richie was a bit naive in trying to lay a big hit on the sideline like that. Compare it to Richie and how he reacted from taking a dirty hit against Cork in the quarter final when jumping straight up. He could have got his man sent off that day.

    Maybe Kilkenny need to get a bit more cynical in how they react to foul play.

    Also how may similar tackles to Richies have we seen this season and how many straight reds? I can't think of any.

    It's really disappointing to see an All Ireland decided like that.

    The red card was for Richie Hogan using his elbow with intent,not what Barrett did or didn't do.


  • #4848
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,600 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    holyhead wrote: »
    That doesn't make sense. It's his reactions which alerts the ref to something potentially amiss surely?

    Nonsense. If I go and try and punch someone on the field but miss..should I get sent off? Yes. The reaction of other player is irrelevant.


  • #4849
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    False Prophet wrote: »
    Why? Cody was near it when it happened, didnt have multi replays. he is clearly old school where you dont go down easy or try to get a player sent off.

    Look for me it's a red by the current rules but the rule needs to be revisited as a sinbin or black card type would be sufficient punishment.

    Players are amateurs and the impact that being the fall guy can have on a young person life mentally needs to be remembered.

    Refs should take a minute or two to make a big decision. A sin bin would not be sufficient punishment. I hope Hogan's get the support he needs to pull through this but we ultimately have to live with our decisions.


  • #4850
    Comerman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Comerman


    holyhead wrote: »
    That doesn't make sense. It's his reactions which alerts the ref to something potentially amiss surely?

    If you watch it again the ref and linesman looked at Barrett to see how bad he was and then made the decision to give a red card. AGAIN the best team still won.


  • #4851
    holyhead
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    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Nonsense. If I go and try and punch someone on the field but miss..should I get sent off? Yes. The reaction of other player is irrelevant.

    Nobody is answering how Hogan got his bloody nose!

    As for Barrett, he saw an opportunity to get Hogan sent off and took it. There was no need for the dramatics.


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  • #4852
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭slegs


    Comerman wrote: »
    If you watch it again the ref and linesman looked at Barrett to see how bad he was and then made the decision to give a red card. AGAIN the best team still won.

    Maybe he was just checking on him and it had no bearing on the decision. How are you so sure this was part of the decision process


  • #4853
    holyhead
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    Comerman wrote: »
    If you watch it again the ref and linesman looked at Barrett to see how bad he was and then made the decision to give a red card. AGAIN the best team still won.

    At the time of the sending off the scores were either level or a point either way so we have no way of knowing how the game would have played out with 15 surely?


  • #4854
    Hawkeye9212
    Closed Accounts Posts: 325 ✭✭Hawkeye9212


    holyhead wrote: »
    Nobody is answering how Hogan got his bloody nose!

    As for Barrett, he saw an opportunity to get Hogan sent off and took it. There was no need for the dramatics.

    I did address it.


  • #4855
    adrian522
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    TheRiverman wrote: »
    The red car was for Richie Hogan using his elbow with intent,not what Barrett did or didn't do.

    Indeed. But Barrett's reaction certainly played a part. I guess its part of the modern game.


  • #4856
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,600 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    holyhead wrote: »
    Nobody is answering how Hogan got his bloody nose!

    As for Barrett, he saw an opportunity to get Hogan sent off and took it. There was no need for the dramatics.

    Yes Barrett quite clearly raised Hogan’s elbow and also quite clearly made him run in his direction. Quite the player.


  • #4857
    Comerman
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    slegs wrote: »
    Maybe he was just checking on him and it had no bearing on the decision. How are you so sure this was part of the decision process

    The difference is Richie got up and went off to get fixed up instead of rolling around like he was shot


  • #4858
    History Queen
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    Does Sunday Game not usually visit both winning and losing team banquets? Or am I wrong?


  • #4859
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    If we accept that Hogan sending off was merited the feeling in KK is that Barrett made a meal of it. The history books will record Tipp won but lets not accept play acting coming into the game. Hurling is one of the greatest field sports around lets not spoil it by gamesmanship.


  • #4860
    RMAOK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭RMAOK


    History Queen wrote: »
    Does Sunday Game not usually visit both winning and losing team banquets? Or am I wrong?

    Haven't visited the loosing hotel in years AFAIK


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  • #4861
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,600 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    holyhead wrote: »
    At the time of the sending off the scores were either level or a point either way so we have no way of knowing how the game would have played out with 15 surely?

    And we will never know. Just like limerick were denied a 65 in semi final..would they have missed it? Would they have won after extra time? Would they then have beaten Tipp? All that matters now is for 2019 Tipp are champions and will never change.


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