Has a conspiracy ever been proven?

Ray Palmer · 14-08-2019 12:02PM

So many conspiracies have been uncovered. The one that really always bothered me was the light bulb conspiracy. All the main light bulb manufactures got to gather to limit the life span of light bulbs finding each other if they didn't adhere to the agreement. The ecological damage this made dwarfs pretty much any other example as it was world wide for decades. Even after it was uncovered they pretty much continued to limit the life span of bulbs.

ceadaoin. · 14-08-2019 10:33PM

Even the whole fact of Epstein being a child sex trafficker and having an island where rich and powerful people including world leaders, were provided with whatever they wanted, complete with a weird temple etc. This has been going around conspiracy forums for years. Now that it's been pretty much proven, everyone seemingly knew it was true all along and it was never a conspiracy?

Hangdogroad · 14-08-2019 11:04PM

mikemac2 wrote: »

Chuck Stuart in Boston drove his pregnant wife to a quiet area and she was shot in the passenger seat. She died the next day but hospital staff successfully delivered the baby

Stuart was also shot and was so badly injured he spent six weeks in hospital and missed the funeral of his wife

He claimed a black guy did it and the media went into overdrive with headlines getting angrier by the day. The police hauled multiple black men in for questioning and racial tensions in the city went up

Turned out Chuck shot his wife to get life assurance and had to shot himself to stage it

He killed himself jumping into a river before he saw a courtroom. There was an excellent made for TV move on it

Thats not really an example of a conspiracy theory though.

Muahahaha · 14-08-2019 11:34PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I think it's well known that the USA and the West were behind many coups in that region.

Remember when Thatchers son got meddling in Africa?

haha and his codename for the over throw of the government was 'Snatcher'

Ray Palmer wrote: »

So many conspiracies have been uncovered. The one that really always bothered me was the light bulb conspiracy. All the main light bulb manufactures got to gather to limit the life span of light bulbs finding each other if they didn't adhere to the agreement. The ecological damage this made dwarfs pretty much any other example as it was world wide for decades. Even after it was uncovered they pretty much continued to limit the life span of bulbs.

Read a while back that while LED bulbs are rated to 10,000 hours there is no reason they could not do 40,000 if the manufacturers wanted them to

On conspiracys one that is not yet proven but might be is the creation of Lymes disease by US secret services as a tool to be used against populations in biological warfare. Theres a former US govt scientist with a book out that claims it was developed in labs and either deliberately or accidentaly used on the population. Its transported by ticks so small you can barely see them and it ends in a horrific death with the body crippled by constant pain. Many sufferers commit suicide such is the pain. The whistleblower scientist claims it was created around the same time as Agent Orange for the Vietnam War. Its out of control now with around 300,000 Americans dying from it every year and its untreatable unless caught very early.

branie2 · 15-08-2019 12:55AM

Jim Corr would love this thread

Raconteuse · 15-08-2019 01:39AM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

For years CIA links to drug smuggling, particularly facilitation and support of Nicaraguan Contra linked cocaine smuggling into the US, were denied. In fact Journalist Gary Webb was ridiculed from all quarters for reporting it, suffered professional disgrace as a result and eventually took his own life in 2004. Nowadays its broadly accepted that CIA links were present, though their extent remains contested.

Learned about this recently - the book based on his investigative report, Dark Alliance, is on my to-read list. And there's a film too about him, Kill The Messenger. Poor guy.

Also, people close to him did say he was very depressed, and unfortunately suicide was not surprising. But there were two bullet wounds to his head...

CrankyHaus · 15-08-2019 08:44AM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Learned about this recently - the book based on his investigative report, Dark Alliance, is on my to-read list. And there's a film too about him, Kill The Messenger. Poor guy.

Also, people close to him did say he was very depressed, and unfortunately suicide was not surprising. But there were two bullet wounds to his head...

Netflix has a decent documentary on Ricky Ross, the crack dealer involved in Webb's allegations, that has some good coverage of Webb's story. It's called Freeway; Crack in the System.

dresden8 · 15-08-2019 08:55AM

Ford Pinto.

Cheaper to be sued for deaths than to pay 11 dollars per car to fix the fuel system.

riddles · 15-08-2019 09:06AM

CIA smuggling afghan heroin through Pakistan so the afghan could buy Stinger missiles to use against the Russians. Self same heroin ended up in Dublin, Glasgow etc

CrankyHaus · 15-08-2019 09:07AM

riddles wrote: »

CIA smuggling afghan heroin through Pakistan so the afghan could buy Stinger missiles to use against the Russians. Self same heroin ended up in Dublin, Glasgow etc

When was this proven?

razorblunt · 15-08-2019 09:13AM

Paging Jim Corr. Jim Corr to the front desk please.

It's funny how so many people thought "he'll be done" when Epstein went to prison.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-08-2019 10:26AM

branie2 wrote: »

Jim Corr would love this thread

Most of the posts are perfectly rational and documented posts about known cover ups. Conspiracy facts.

I’ve bern doing my best to scare away the crazier posts.

I’ve noticed that’s there’s a kind of person who refuses to believe that no conspiracy can ever happen, despite the huge evidence that numerous high level conspiracies have happened particularly regarding war. These kind of posters don’t really have much to say about the evidence, just an argument of sneering lack of knowledge.

Raconteuse · 15-08-2019 10:28AM

Yeah the far fetched theories and their supporters wreck my head, but cover-ups have definitely occurred.

The Nal · 15-08-2019 10:31AM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yeah the far fetched theories and their supporters wreck my head, but cover-ups have definitely occurred.

Ted Kennedy Chappaquiddick. As good as proven that he wasn't in the car.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident#Other_interpretations_of_evidence

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-08-2019 10:34AM

razorblunt wrote: »

Paging Jim Corr. Jim Corr to the front desk please.

It's funny how so many people thought "he'll be done" when Epstein went to prison.

And then he was.

archer22 · 15-08-2019 11:00AM

The Marshall islanders being used as guinea pigs for nuclear testing.

America's vast surveillance program as exposed by Edward Snowden.

Churchill's plan to spread anthrax across Germany known as "Operation Vegetarian".

smurfjed · 15-08-2019 11:19AM

@Franz Von Peppercorn II

I haven’t. If I did I wouldn’t believe it because psychic stuff is nonsense.

So you know nothing about the concept, or how they tried it, but you are still enough of an expert to declare it as "nonsense".

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-08-2019 11:30AM

smurfjed wrote: »

@Franz Von Peppercorn II

So you know nothing about the concept, or how they tried it, but you are still enough of an expert to declare it as "nonsense".

I know that the psychic stuff has been debunked numerous times.

razorblunt · 15-08-2019 11:32AM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

And then he was.

Exactly. It was almost as if we were just waiting.

Ray Palmer · 15-08-2019 12:02PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

On conspiracys one that is not yet proven but might be is the creation of Lymes disease by US secret services as a tool to be used against populations in biological warfare. Theres a former US govt scientist with a book out that claims it was developed in labs and either deliberately or accidentaly used on the population. Its transported by ticks so small you can barely see them and it ends in a horrific death with the body crippled by constant pain. Many sufferers commit suicide such is the pain. The whistleblower scientist claims it was created around the same time as Agent Orange for the Vietnam War. Its out of control now with around 300,000 Americans dying from it every year and its untreatable unless caught very early.

Well that is easily disproved by the fact lymes disease has been known about before the USA even existed. Then you have the fact deer ticks are pretty viable to the naked eye. It also very rarely kills but it is true to say it is extremely unpleasant and no real cure. It is basically flu symptoms and by that I mean if you got the flu and not when people class a cold as the flu. If you ever got the flu you would know the difference.

odyssey06 · 15-08-2019 12:16PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Well that is easily disproved by the fact lymes disease has been known about before the USA even existed. Then you have the fact deer ticks are pretty viable to the naked eye. It also very rarely kills but it is true to say it is extremely unpleasant and no real cure. It is basically flu symptoms and by that I mean if you got the flu and not when people class a cold as the flu. If you ever got the flu you would know the difference.

It can be debilitating.

But 300,000 Americans don't die of it every year, I don't know where that stat came from.

I think the medical fraternity in Britain and Ireland have been negligent on it, for years they were saying you couldn't get it in these parts but there's no conspiracy there. And we probably consider the impact of the large increase in wild deer, who are hosts for the ticks.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-08-2019 01:34PM

I see Epstein strangled himself more than once.

riclad · 15-08-2019 02:52PM

Theres plenty of business conspiracys, to screw the consumer, drive up the
price of products or services ,
and reduce the competition .
the american government pays for drug research,
company x gets the patent.
the company can charge 100 or 1000 euro for that drug.
theres only one source for that drug in america .
People are driving to canada to buy drugs and medicine .
the company that controls domain name prices has lifted the price limits.
It used to be 7 dollars per year for a .com domain name .
in a years time it could be 100 dollars .for.com and .org domain names .
Some non profits may drop certain domain name s if they become to expensive
scammers or hackers will be able to buy them in order to commit fraud in the future .
telecom companys lobbied the us congress .
To reduce or limit new rules for security procedures in the structure of 5g networks .
So in the future it will be alot easier for hackers to hack into
any 5 g phone,
This could be a problem if you use your phone for banking or
credit card transactions .
but it saves comcast usa a few 1000 dollars ,so thats ok.

archer22 · 15-08-2019 05:13PM

We don't have to go overseas to see a conspiracy that has been proven...have people forgotten what happened to Maurice McCabe.

And in the same vein...what happened in Donegal.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-08-2019 05:57PM

Oops! wrote: »

That the earth is round.

True.

It's actually slightly pear shaped.

An upside down pear as the northern hemisphere is slightly bigger.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-08-2019 05:58PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

So many conspiracies have been uncovered. The one that really always bothered me was the light bulb conspiracy. All the main light bulb manufactures got to gather to limit the life span of light bulbs finding each other if they didn't adhere to the agreement. The ecological damage this made dwarfs pretty much any other example as it was world wide for decades. Even after it was uncovered they pretty much continued to limit the life span of bulbs.

Ah the old Phoebus cartel.

smurfjed · 15-08-2019 06:58PM

@Franz Von Peppercorn II

I know that the psychic stuff has been debunked numerous times.

Have a look at https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/search/site/project%20stargate. There is no doubt that the project took place.

dresden8 · 15-08-2019 07:05PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

True.

It's actually slightly pear shaped.

An upside down pear as the northern hemisphere is slightly bigger.

Only if you view it from a northern hemisphere viewpoint.

There is no up or down in space.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-08-2019 09:53PM

dresden8 wrote: »

Only if you view it from a northern hemisphere viewpoint.

Which most of humanity has always done.

dresden8 · 15-08-2019 11:44PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Which most of humanity has always done.

Racist. Or something.

Has a conspiracy ever been proven?

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