The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Hammer Archer wrote: »

With all due respect (and you're not the only one who has come up with something similar), go down to any club outside of the capital and you'll see the exact same thing. Players, coaches and mentors teaching kids the basics and giving up earnings and free time for the love of the game.
I don't really have an opinion on this whole topic, but a number of Dublin posters have tried to insinuate that dedicated volunteers in nurseries/underage teams is something that only happens in Dublin. And, to be honest, it shows a huge lack of knowledge of what happens in clubs outside of Dublin.

From working with lads that are involved with their own home teams outside I do know for a fact that the county boards let them down with structure and a dedicated plan to all stick to . As I have said in a previous post that lads around the country would have to give up extra time for travel to get to the clubs for training, matches etc. but all are working hard but pulling in different directions thinking that their way is the best , listen there are plenty of things I’m asked to do that I don’t necessarily agree with but I just roll with the instructions.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You are confusing cause and effect there.

They had to get structure and management done correctly to use the exceptional group of players.

Tyrone - regressed

Kerry - regressed

Cork - regressed

You are just attaching one single variable to it.
This is called confirmation biases.

There are a number of variables why Dublin are going for a five in a row not a single cause.
I should not have to repeat them all again.

You are not even addressing Gachla’s main point, that success shot up across the board in men’s football women’s football hurling camogie juvenile etc. He/She is not just referring to senior football.

Is it your theory that Dublin were underachieving in all these disciplines? And that a massive increase in funding was not a substantial factor in massively increased standards in ALL those disciplines?

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Finally a thread to discuss the biggest single issue in the GAA!!!!!

The solution is as follows.

Cut all Dublin funding and bring up all other counties funding so that every player in Ireland received the same funding per capita. Mickey from Leitrim should receive same funding as Mickey from ballymun.

No more special sweetheart deals for dubs.

It will take years for genuine equality to be achieved so that Mickey from leitrim/Sligo/wherever has the same funding and facilities but we have to start somewhere.

Divide Dublin into 4. They will still have HUGE population advantages over every other county which really shows how bloody ludicrous the situation is.

Make Dublin play as many away matches as any other county.

QED

Regarding saying it is grossly insulting to talk about the HUGE inequalities and inherent unfairness of the financial doping scandal....

No. What is actually genuinely insulting is dubs fans telling the rest of us that the crazy level of funding has had little or no effect on the last ten years + of Dublin GAA

Lads. Give over. You are fooling nobody.

The irony is of course, Jim G has grudgingly admitted it to other county managers/coaches behind closed doors -I’m told they almost had to torture him to get it out of him - He said don’t quote me and was joking was there anyone from RTÉ in the room!

But fair play, he did acknowledge it at least.

But he would never admit it openly in public because that would bring the whole rotten facade crashing down and make a Mickey mockery of Dublin’s so called “achievements”.


In fairness I have often had good discussions with genuine Dublin supporters who admit they are embarrassed/disgusted at how things have developed since Bertie and co decided to throw money at Dublin and ruin competitiveness in Gaelic senior football.

Gachla wrote: »

You are unable to explain the unprecedented increase in titles across all codes and grades in Dublin GAA. 80+ since 2005. And counting! It really is the nail in the coffin for those desperately trying to deny the effect the huge increase in funding has had.

I just did you are one of those who do not read posts obviously - you seem to come up with the same goading chart with Mayo colours and 'Dublin doping'
I have explained the factors to you again and again and again.

You refuse to look at all the variables.

I will make it easy for you the Irish soccer team underachieved for years - 88 was the spark it gave momentum 90 was a success - it then sparked the best generation of young footballers ever seen in Ireland under Kerr at underage - Duff, Keane, Dunne among them?
The GAA then lost Long and Doyle to soccer as a result - they were inspired from Wexford and Cork to play soccer - not hurling for them.

Was that down to funding?
It was down to inspirational heroes to follow.

Add to the fact that Dublin had Costello pulling the strings in the DCB, and great managers, mixed with exceptional players - all of this creates a culture of winning an environment an ethos.
It is inspirational it inspires others to join in.

If a team loses like Offaly fans and players lose interest they are uninspired they go elsewhere or give up.

Are you not inspired by this Dublin team to be the best damn Gachla you can be?
Strive for perfection dot the i's cross the t's 100% effort - maybe a new chart you create - something you are proud of that will inspire others?
Invent your own phrase to disparage Dublin instead of copying the hacks - inspire others?

The high horse brigade wrote: »

It's not just home advantage. See what Chris Barrett has to go through to be part of the Mayo panel
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/mayo-s-chris-barrett-balancing-work-and-play-for-gaa-not-sustainable-any-more-1.3981640

The high horse brigade wrote: »

They can make it semi-professional and start rewarding players in some way for their efforts

You’ve asked and answered your own question there.

I’d say Chris Barrett is (at least) semi-pro given the amount of money he’ll be making off mileage.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

And as for this so called exceptional manager let’s see how exceptional Jim is if he had to to manage literally any other county with some way normal resources

I very much doubt he would ever take that challenge on. I hope he proves me wrong.

Let him manage a mid level county with mid level resources (a world away from the ludicrous advantages what Dublin enjoys) to success. That would be a fitting challenge would it not?

I suspect though he will never take up that challenge. Too much like real work for him?

This post smacks of jealousy straight away look at how Jim achieved success at underage. How he changed tactics following the 2014 defeat.
A very humble man, a polite man - a man who you should seek to emulate rather than attempt to disparage in hypothetical scenarios. Gavin does not lose enough for you so you have to make him lose in your minds eye. In a made up scenario.
Do you not think Jim Gavin puts in work with this Dublin team it just happens?
Cop yourself on.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The irony is of course, Jim G has grudgingly admitted it to other county managers/coaches behind closed doors -I’m told they almost had to torture him to get it out of him - He said don’t quote me and was joking was there anyone from RTÉ in the room!

But fair play, he did acknowledge it at least.

But he would never admit it openly in public because that would bring the whole rotten facade crashing down and make a Mickey mockery of Dublin’s so called “achievements”.


In fairness I have often had good discussions with genuine Dublin supporters who admit they are embarrassed/disgusted at how things have developed since Bertie and co decided to throw money at Dublin and ruin competitiveness in Gaelic senior football.

Have you got ANYTHING substantial to add to your rants? Ever?

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This post smacks of jealousy straight away look at how Jim achieved success at underage. How he changed tactics following the 2014 defeat.
A very humble man, a polite man - a man who you should seek to emulate rather than attempt to disparage in hypothetical scenarios. Gavin does not lose enough for you so you have to make him lose in your minds eye. In a made up scenario.
Do you not think Jim Gavin puts in work with this Dublin team it just happens?
Cop yourself on.

It sounds awfully like something a certain Brazil-based journalist would say.

What was it he called Jim Gavin?

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You’ve asked and answered your own question there.

I’d say Chris Barrett is (at least) semi-pro given the amount of money he’ll be making off mileage.

Fairly sure I saw somewhere Mayo lads were taking a bus down this year so there wouldn’t be any mileage.

In previous years they took turns driving, they are hugely ambitious guys, I would think they would prefer to be to leave for training at 6pm and be home resting up at 9.30pm than knocking a few euro out of mileage.