FatherTed wrote: » So I'm an outsider looking in and honestly not well versed on the this situation. I see the non-Dubliners saying Dublin got a huge amount of money and it's unfair but Dubliners are saying their success is through hard work and volunteerism. Correct?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Do you understand the phrase underachieving?
LoughNeagh2017 wrote: » They are city boys, they wouldn't know hard work if it bit them on the ankle.
Hammer Archer wrote: » With all due respect (and you're not the only one who has come up with something similar), go down to any club outside of the capital and you'll see the exact same thing. Players, coaches and mentors teaching kids the basics and giving up earnings and free time for the love of the game. I don't really have an opinion on this whole topic, but a number of Dublin posters have tried to insinuate that dedicated volunteers in nurseries/underage teams is something that only happens in Dublin. And, to be honest, it shows a huge lack of knowledge of what happens in clubs outside of Dublin.
Gachla wrote: » So Dublin were underachieving for the history of the GAA, had a sudden upsurge in fortunes this century across all areas of Gaelic Games, this happened at the exact same time millions were pumped into Dublin GAA but somehow that's not connected?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You are confusing cause and effect there. They had to get structure and management done correctly to use the exceptional group of players. Tyrone - regressed Kerry - regressed Cork - regressed You are just attaching one single variable to it. This is called confirmation biases. There are a number of variables why Dublin are going for a five in a row not a single cause. I should not have to repeat them all again.
BonnieSituation wrote: » And I'm sure with your 5th post on boards that you have evidence of Dublin "getting paid". The again we had someone claim that they "don't have real jobs" and are "shamateurs". Ridiculous.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You are confusing cause and effect there.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » Finally a thread to discuss the biggest single issue in the GAA!!!!! The solution is as follows. Cut all Dublin funding and bring up all other counties funding so that every player in Ireland received the same funding per capita. Mickey from Leitrim should receive same funding as Mickey from ballymun. No more special sweetheart deals for dubs. It will take years for genuine equality to be achieved so that Mickey from leitrim/Sligo/wherever has the same funding and facilities but we have to start somewhere. Divide Dublin into 4. They will still have HUGE population advantages over every other county which really shows how bloody ludicrous the situation is. Make Dublin play as many away matches as any other county.
ClanofLams wrote: » You are not even addressing Gachla’s main point, that success shot up across the board in men’s football women’s football hurling camogie juvenile etc. He/She is not just referring to senior football. Is it your theory that Dublin were underachieving in all these disciplines? And that a massive increase in funding was not a substantial factor in massively increased standards in ALL those disciplines?
Beechwoodspark wrote: » Divide Dublin into 4. They will still have HUGE population advantages over every other county which really shows how bloody ludicrous the situation is.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » The irony is of course, Jim G has grudgingly admitted it to other county managers/coaches behind closed doors -I’m told they almost had to torture him to get it out of him - He said don’t quote me and was joking was there anyone from RTÉ in the room! But fair play, he did acknowledge it at least. But he would never admit it openly in public because that would bring the whole rotten facade crashing down and make a Mickey mockery of Dublin’s so called “achievements”. In fairness I have often had good discussions with genuine Dublin supporters who admit they are embarrassed/disgusted at how things have developed since Bertie and co decided to throw money at Dublin and ruin competitiveness in Gaelic senior football.
Gachla wrote: » You are unable to explain the unprecedented increase in titles across all codes and grades in Dublin GAA. 80+ since 2005. And counting! It really is the nail in the coffin for those desperately trying to deny the effect the huge increase in funding has had.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Yeah Dublin were underachieving across the board one minor win 1984 two AI wins between 83 and 95, 95-10 No u21 until 2003 - they did not even enter it It a number of variables the same structures were implemented accorss the board. Also the ladies footballers underachieved for ages as well look at all the finals they lost. Now they are only slightly above what they should have been achieving in the first place until they got thier act together management, structure, plan, players. The 00's Dublin teams were notoriously flaky and soft how does funding help thier minds?
Strumms wrote: » Gachla wrote: » The huge number of professional coaches gets highlighted but the highly paid officials who oversee the system which has increased standards accross all age and levels in Dublin GAA don't get as much attention. Here's some of the job roles: Strategic Program Manager Games Development Project Coordinator Regional Development Manager High Performance Manager Dublin GAA pay millions in wages every year but of course all of this has no impact in the huge increase in standards in Dublin GAA. :rolleyes: How many people live in Dublin ? How many play GAA ? It’s only appropriate that Dublin have their house in order to facilitate as best they can.. the experience of participating in the sport.
Gachla wrote: » The huge number of professional coaches gets highlighted but the highly paid officials who oversee the system which has increased standards accross all age and levels in Dublin GAA don't get as much attention. Here's some of the job roles: Strategic Program Manager Games Development Project Coordinator Regional Development Manager High Performance Manager Dublin GAA pay millions in wages every year but of course all of this has no impact in the huge increase in standards in Dublin GAA. :rolleyes:
The high horse brigade wrote: » It's not just home advantage. See what Chris Barrett has to go through to be part of the Mayo panelhttps://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/mayo-s-chris-barrett-balancing-work-and-play-for-gaa-not-sustainable-any-more-1.3981640
The high horse brigade wrote: » They can make it semi-professional and start rewarding players in some way for their efforts
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I just did
bruschi wrote: » There is rubbish and then there is that.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » And as for this so called exceptional manager let’s see how exceptional Jim is if he had to to manage literally any other county with some way normal resources I very much doubt he would ever take that challenge on. I hope he proves me wrong. Let him manage a mid level county with mid level resources (a world away from the ludicrous advantages what Dublin enjoys) to success. That would be a fitting challenge would it not? I suspect though he will never take up that challenge. Too much like real work for him?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » This post smacks of jealousy straight away look at how Jim achieved success at underage. How he changed tactics following the 2014 defeat. A very humble man, a polite man - a man who you should seek to emulate rather than attempt to disparage in hypothetical scenarios. Gavin does not lose enough for you so you have to make him lose in your minds eye. In a made up scenario. Do you not think Jim Gavin puts in work with this Dublin team it just happens? Cop yourself on.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » The irony is of course, Jim G has grudgingly admitted it to other county managers/coaches behind closed doors -I’m told they almost had to torture him to get it out of him - He said don’t quote me and was joking was there anyone from RTÉ in the room! But fair play, he did acknowledge it at least. But he would never admit it openly in public because that would bring the whole rotten facade crashing down and make a Mickey mockery of Dublin’s so called “achievements”.
bobbysands81 wrote: » You’ve asked and answered your own question there. I’d say Chris Barrett is (at least) semi-pro given the amount of money he’ll be making off mileage.
