The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Gachla wrote: »

It is not a staggering increase they were UNDERACHIEVING for a start.
First they had to slowly return to the mean and start winning leinster that was the first stage - dominate the province like Kerry

Once confidence was gained there and the shock of the defeat to Kerry was overcome - Gilroy decided to tighten up the half back line.
Should not have lost to Cork in 2010 and stole the AI from Kerry in 2011 against the run of play.

Exceptional players Bernard/Alan Brogan forged in a GAA household made the difference.
Players with pure heart and drive like Keaney/Cullen made the difference.
Astute management and learning from mistakes Pilar and Gilroy made the difference.

Then the real cherry on top was the truly exceptional crop of players from that u12 game Dublin North v Dublin South way back in 2005
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Other counties have regressed - Dublin looked at underage for a change FIRST u21 2003 EVER.
Led by the exceptional Alan Brogan.

Dublin should ALWAYS have been not only winning Leinsters but all-irelands too at least on a rate Kerry do.
The exceptional lads at underage are the reason along with astute management - top to bottom
Dublin are only NOW ONLY REALLY over-achieving for the first time in thier history - going for a five in a row.

In reality they should be be winning 2-3 a decade but they were run like a joke - before
Dublin did not even compete at U21 level for decades and thier most recent minor was 1984 for ages.
Everything was haphazard amateur a shambles - like the way Offaly are now not fulfilling potential.
Except Dublin still had those 1970's notions which weighed heavy on them throughout the 80's when they underachieved - Kerry - Offaly.
Then there was the underestimation of the Ulster sides. One bright spark 95. Should never have lost 92, 93 in particular.

No structure it died - O'Neill gone - players unwilling to change for Mickey Whelan.
Average Carr of the 00's with an average team bar Brogan and a few others.
They could not even win leinster from 96-04 because of a strong Meath side and the Micko/Paidi factor.

Now when Dublin finally overachieve for ONCE in thier history some want to piss all over it.
No praise of an exceptional group of players and management - just jealously and bitterness as former traditional great sides are now shadows - Meath. Galway, Cork, Kildare.

But Dublin are a good target to deflect thier failings - regurgitating phases from fading hacks - 'financial doping'.
Such people are not sports fans who do not appreciate a great team - they just want to find away to belittle others success.
They are mean spirited by nature and are not true GAA people.

Black charlie wrote: »

When I state salary caps it was quiet obvious I meant player payments.
I know of a certain true blue dub who was of to USA and 30 k was the price
You would want to be very naive or untruthful to think the dubs are not pay for play.
Professionals don’t play for free

And I'm sure with your 5th post on boards that you have evidence of Dublin "getting paid".

The again we had someone claim that they "don't have real jobs" and are "shamateurs".

Ridiculous.

They are all either studying or working.. there are no full time players on the panel, sorry. ��

So I'm an outsider looking in and honestly not well versed on the this situation. I see the non-Dubliners saying Dublin got a huge amount of money and it's unfair but Dubliners are saying their success is through hard work and volunteerism. Correct?

Gachla wrote: »

We're back to this absolute disgusting allegation that every counties volunteers are lazy and useless apart from Dublin's. That's bollox. Every club and county have hard working and dedicated volunteers. Thousands across the country give up their free time.
Dublin GAA appointed highly paid officials to oversee a plan that was implemented by professional coaches to get their act together. It has cost millions. GDO's who have been involved from the start say that the difference between the standard then and after is staggering, they say that the professional coaches have played a huge part. Like I asked another poster, are you calling them liars?

Woa Woa back up the horse . Nobody said that any volunteers from any county where lazy in fact they probably have twice as much traveling to do to get to training ,matches etc . So don’t twist what I said . The problem is they are probably doing their best but all pulling different directions thinking their way is the best way forward . Dublin obviously took the decision to work smarter not harder so pulled everyone in line with a proper structure and that should be the benchmark now for other counties to follow . Do you seriously think if your county board went looking for funding for game development that they would be refused it ? If Cillian O Connor wasn’t such a bottle job then this discussion would not even be happening.

bennyl10 wrote: »

This. No one is denying the Dubs are supremely talented , but this is as close to Financial Doping as you’ll ever see, and it’s blatant!

Central pot, split it evenly, and then if the Dubs keep it up(as they probably would) no problem.

With these figures an asterisk will remain and Dub fans can do all the sand burying/fingers in ears they wish

Splitting money evenly is a terrible way to split it, money is finite and should be targeted where it can do the best work.

Black charlie wrote: »

I do as I myself played in Chicago for money 10 year ago now. Money was always higher for the footballers though.
30 k seems high but the game in Chicago at least would see very serious betting on teams.
Now in all fairness I didn’t have my county board spend a few bob on ensuring I did not find myself doing porridge. Does they count as a salary bik?

I think you should contact Revenue commisioners. Or maybe the IRS. Or just go straight to the Donald.

But this has nothing to do with Dublins dominance... unless theres dozens of Dublin players playing there and no other county players get paid.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Woa Woa back up the horse . Nobody said that any volunteers from any county where lazy in fact they probably have twice as much traveling to do to get to training ,matches etc . So don’t twist what I said . The problem is they are probably doing their best but all pulling different directions thinking their way is the best way forward . Dublin obviously took the decision to work smarter not harder so pulled everyone in line with a proper structure and that should be the benchmark now for other counties to follow . Do you seriously think if your county board went looking for funding for game development that they would be refused it ? If Cillian O Connor wasn’t such a bottle job then this discussion would not even be happening.

I wonder if bottle job O Connor was kicking into the bacon factory end in Castlebar and been afforded the same luxury as Cluxton and Rock would he be a hero or a still a bottle job? In relation to money my club was refused a grant from Croke Park two years running. We got it on the third try. And got two other grants the same year!

bruschi wrote: »

Does your club have a GDO/GPO attached to it?

Yes it also has 4000 members