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Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's to do with facts. Not the Alex Jones style drivel I am reading in here, with people jumping to baseless conclusions that conveniently fit whatever political alignment or fringe world view they hold

    There are at least two separate investigations taking place, a possible third (by an external country). Info is emerging from the union that the facility was severely understaffed, officers were working 80 hour weeks, gaps meant that augmentation took place (other professionals such as nurses filling in for prison staff), one officer was allegedly on his 5th day of overtime. Reportedly there were lapses in protocol, that his cellmate was transferred, that he wasn't checked every 30 mins. For a man who had demonstrated that he was willing to try suicide, that is terrible supervision. So maybe it's some big conspiracy to off him or maybe he was a (willing) victim of a ****ty US jail system. I'll wait for the facts/info.

    Oh sorry, momentary lapse there, it was definitely Killary and the deep state and Mossad!

    Where are you getting your "facts"? Snopes?

    You are the opposite of a conspiracy theorist who believes everything is a conspiracy. You believe nothing is unless MSM and government agencies tell you otherwise. Equally obsessed about your stance and equally naive.

    Why do you jump into any thread mentioning conspiracies to down play them and mock those suggesting more than we're being told? That's pretty obsessive.

    Of course people are going to speculate about the highly suspicious circumstances surrounding this when little to nothing is coming from official channels.

    These kind of cover ups happen all the time. If he was procuring young girls for the elite do you not find the circumstances of this case suspicious? We know he was being charged with running an underage sex trafficking ring and that he had many connections with powerful people, many of which were implicated in some of the documents that were unsealed.

    He already got away with his previous charges through some greasy deal that also needs to be investigated.

    Now the case is closed and may never result in any prosecutions because Epstein was key to everything and all the evidence collected to convict him will never see the light of day. Go ahead and wait for your "facts" though so you can parrot what the MSM tells you to think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Where are you getting your "facts"? Snopes?

    AP, Reuters, international press reports
    You are the opposite of a conspiracy theorist who believes everything is a conspiracy. You believe nothing is unless MSM and government agencies tell you otherwise. Equally obsessed about your stance and equally naive.

    Why do you jump into any thread mentioning conspiracies to down play them and mock those suggesting more than we're being told? That's pretty obsessive.

    Of course people are going to speculate about the highly suspicious circumstances surrounding this when little to nothing is coming from official channels.

    These kind of cover ups happen all the time. If he was procuring young girls for the elite do you not find the circumstances of this case suspicious? We know he was being charged with running an underage sex trafficking ring and that he had many connections with powerful people, many of which were implicated in some of the documents that were unsealed.

    He already got away with his previous charges through some greasy deal that also needs to be investigated.

    Now the case is closed and may never result in any prosecutions because Epstein was key to everything and all the evidence collected to convict him will never see the light of day. Go ahead and wait for your "facts" though so you can parrot what the MSM tells you to think.

    Thanks, am not interested in personal world views, just the facts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    We all wanted the facts. We're conveniently not going to get them now. This is what stirs speculation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    AP, Reuters, international press reports



    Thanks, am not interested in personal world views, just the facts.

    What facts are you looking for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The deep state.



    The Internal War in the Deep State Claims Its High Profile Casualty: Jeffrey Epstein
    The conflict has now reached the hot-war stage where bodies are turning up, explained away by the usual laughable covers: "suicide," "accident" and "heart attack." That Jeffrey Epstein's death in a secure cell is being labeled "suicide" tells us quite a lot about the desperation of the faction trying to protect the self-serving predators that have wormed their way into control of many Deep State nodes of power.


    Here's the basic structure of the Deep State conflict as I see it. For context: The Deep State exploded in size and power during World War II. At the war's end, the proper role of the U.S. in the postwar era was up for grabs, and over the course of a few years, the CIA and other intelligence agencies were established and the doctrine of containment of the Soviet Union became the dominant narrative, a narrative that held with remarkable consistency for four decades until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

    This collapse was another critical juncture, and debates over America's role in this "unipolar era" were finally settled in favor of the militarily-geopolitically activist ideology of neoconservatism (Neocons).

    This globalist ideology spawned a variety of monstrous policy disasters and as a result the Neocons have been challenged by factions within the Deep State.

    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Connecting Epstein with offshore money, Michail Prochorow, Felix Sater and Russian mafia
    A source who spoke with journalist Vicky Ward said one of Epstein’s clients was the late Saudi arms dealer Khashoggi, a middleman in the Iran-Contra scandal who helped smuggle cash for the Marcos family out of the Philippines. In 1988, Khashoggi was arrested in Switzerland for concealing assets and later faced fraud and racketeering charges in the U.S. (He was later acquitted.) That year, he sold his 282-foot yacht to the Sultan of Brunei, who soon flipped it to Donald Trump.
    <snip>
    Later, before dissolving, Bayrock was sued by a former finance director, Jody Kriss. As reported by Unger in Vanity Fair:

    His complaint alleged that Bayrock was “covertly mob-owned and operated,” “backed by oligarchs and money they stole from the Russian people,” and “engaged in the businesses of financial-institution fraud, tax fraud, partnership fraud, human trafficking, child prostitution, statutory rape, and, on occasion, real estate.” The suit claimed that Bayrock had defrauded Kriss and Ejekam and “never intended to honor” promised payments. Instead, the real purpose of the company, it said, in addition to marketing expensive condos bearing the Trump brand, was “to launder many millions of dollars and evade taxes.”


    There is also real evidence Sater has deep ties to intelligence agencies, including U.S. intelligence. In 2014, Sater was named the man of the year of the Port Washington, NY, Chabad. It’s possible the over-the-top speech his rabbi gave, about intelligence professionals lauding Sater for saving untold lives, is generally true. At her 2015 confirmation hearing, Loretta Lynch said Sater provided “information crucial to national security and the conviction of over 20 individuals, including those responsible for committing massive financial fraud and members of La Cosa Nostra.”’


    source



    Stephen Colbert did the public relations for the Russian Oligarch Mikhail Prokhorov.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    He was a rich, corrupt paedophile who killed himself. So what! End of story. Nothing more here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    This is just very odd. Especially the leaked picture to the papers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,486 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    chicorytip wrote: »
    He was a rich, corrupt paedophile who killed himself. So what! End of story. Nothing more here.

    And the others who are implicated..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    chicorytip wrote: »
    He was a rich, corrupt paedophile who killed himself. So what! End of story. Nothing more here.

    There are still his enablers.

    With Epstein Gone, Will Focus Turn to Ghislaine Maxwell?


    And the people who allegedly engaged in activity with the underage girls.


    Sex-Slave Titles Unveiled in Tranche of Jeffrey Epstein Files



    Ad the people who will be glad of the distraction and those with more work to do as a result.


    He Did What… ! ? !
    Meanwhile, any number of disgraced federal officials, whose misdeeds are richly documented in the public record, remain on the loose. Andrew McCabe, Bruce, Ohr, Peter Strzok, James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, and many more — once the cream of the upper echelons of federal authority! The Epstein debacle puts more pressure on William Barr, John Durham, and Michael Horowitz to get on with their jobs. All these unresolved mysteries give Americans a reason to want to arm themselves against a recklessly rogue and sinister government

    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭NoteAgent


    It was the only way they could kill him I suppose. Dead men don't talk. Rich men who are not incarcerated can afford plenty of security. Yet another dead man to add to the body count that had dirt on the Clintons.

    Have you proof he was murdered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,784 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://www.ft.com/content/1dbd3d2e-bce9-11e9-b350-db00d509634e




    William Barr said at a conference in New Orleans on Monday that he was “angry” that the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York had failed to keep Epstein alive.

    “We will get to the bottom of what happened, and there will be accountability,” said Mr Barr.





    Prison guards were supposed to check on Epstein every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not followed for at least several hours on the night of his death, according to the person.

    Epstein’s cellmate was removed on Friday and not replaced, the person added.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,784 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Cellmate removed, as to strengthen the suicide story no doubt, then left alone for 7 hours. Enough time for those people in power to get access to strangle him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,385 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    It was the only way they could kill him I suppose. Dead men don't talk. Rich men who are not incarcerated can afford plenty of security. Yet another dead man to add to the body count that had dirt on the Clintons.

    He was killed by the Clintons. You should go to the police, FOX, and set up a youtube channel to show it. Oh wait you don't. Lots of people would love him dead Clintons been 1 and a certain man called Donald Trump been another


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,385 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Is it true with him dead it be easier to search his properties. Not saying there may be anything there unless he left evidence for insurance if he dies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Cellmate removed, as to strengthen the suicide story no doubt, then left alone for 7 hours. Enough time for those people in power to get access to strangle him.

    Suicide details are changing every day. Now unnamed sources claim one of two guards watching Epstein was not properly trained and was not even a corrections officer. Who is he? Seven hours he was left alone another source. The papers are running these stories and not questioning it. Rules for this prison not followed. The only reason you not follow the rules you got paid off and some of the prison guards and staff may have got brown envelopes with money. There so much wrong with this story don't even know where to begin. The cells had cameras it lie they don't and this now brushed under the rug. Tomorrow we might have new narrative.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    chicorytip wrote: »
    He was a rich, corrupt paedophile who killed himself. So what! End of story. Nothing more here.

    Lot of people who knew Epstein made a claim he be dead before the court trial, he knew too much.

    Excuse can be made, the MCC prison was negligent the first time. Nobody sane though buys it they failed a second time to protect him. The Prison staff should be all sacked and replaced if they not able to protect a high profile prisoner like Epstein. Something sinister happened at the prison, will the details come out i have my doubts, but i can hope.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    BloodBath wrote: »
    Where are you getting your "facts"? Snopes?

    You are the opposite of a conspiracy theorist who believes everything is a conspiracy. You believe nothing is unless MSM and government agencies tell you otherwise. Equally obsessed about your stance and equally naive.

    Why do you jump into any thread mentioning conspiracies to down play them and mock those suggesting more than we're being told? That's pretty obsessive.

    Of course people are going to speculate about the highly suspicious circumstances surrounding this when little to nothing is coming from official channels.

    These kind of cover ups happen all the time. If he was procuring young girls for the elite do you not find the circumstances of this case suspicious? We know he was being charged with running an underage sex trafficking ring and that he had many connections with powerful people, many of which were implicated in some of the documents that were unsealed.

    He already got away with his previous charges through some greasy deal that also needs to be investigated.

    Now the case is closed and may never result in any prosecutions because Epstein was key to everything and all the evidence collected to convict him will never see the light of day. Go ahead and wait for your "facts" though so you can parrot what the MSM tells you to think.

    Officials are now claiming they can't locate Ghislaine Maxwell, whereabouts. She buried somewhere now in the dirt or she hiding out somewhere. There should be a global warrant send out for her to be arrested. She should be in jail long time ago for what she did to those girls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Rules for this prison not followed. The only reason you not follow the rules you got paid off .

    People don't follow rules all the time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Has anybody explained how this guy could hang himself in a room that has been specifically designed so that nobody can hang themselves in there!.

    Or has his cause of death story changed yet again?....I find it hard to keep up with this ever changing story :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,774 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Suicide details are changing every day. Now unnamed sources claim one of two guards watching Epstein was not properly trained and was not even a corrections officer. Who is he? Seven hours he was left alone another source. The papers are running these stories and not questioning it. Rules for this prison not followed. The only reason you not follow the rules you got paid off and some of the prison guards and staff may have got brown envelopes with money. There so much wrong with this story don't even know where to begin. The cells had cameras it lie they don't and this now brushed under the rug. Tomorrow we might have new narrative.

    This post basically 2+2 equal 4 million. Or more. :D

    (It isn't even in self-respecting "Russian" English, it seems to be made-up gobbledygook.)

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande





    Epstein His Connection to “The Club” of Manipulators
    The fascinating connection her is Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell who I believe was a member of “The Club” deeply involved with Salomon Brothers and had dealings also with Goldman Sachs. You got it. The official report issued by Britain’s Department of Trade and Industry said investment bank Goldman Sachs Group, Inc had “substantial responsibility” for allowing Mr. Maxwell to manipulate the stock market prior to the collapse of his businesses reported the Wall Street Journal back in April 2001.


    source



    The mystery of Maxwell's death
    An inquest into his death failed to answer any of the key questions. The medical evidence was equivocal. Three pathologists who performed post-mortem examinations failed to agree about the circumstances of his death. One concluded he died of a heart attack, another said he suffered a heart attack and drowned while a third dismissed the heart condition as a cause of death saying Maxwell had fallen into the sea and drowned.
    Such contradiction and inconsistency only served to trigger a flood of theories attempting to explain his possible state of mind and the circumstances of his demise.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Apparently a private jet hired by Clinton associates was seen hovering above the jail shortly before Epstein’s body was discovered..... coincidence ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    It was the only way they could kill him I suppose. Dead men don't talk. Rich men who are not incarcerated can afford plenty of security. Yet another dead man to add to the body count that had dirt on the Clintons.

    He was killed by the Clintons. You should go to the police, FOX, and set up a youtube channel to show it. Oh wait you don't. Lots of people would love him dead Clintons been 1 and a certain man called Donald Trump been another

    Donald trump barred him from mar a lago for behaviour with a young girl and his appointed AG under his watch was prosecuting the lad and are now actively speaking out against how he was allowed to ‘kill himself’ , if donny has things to hide here then he’s sure as hell doing a terrible job at suppressing the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    Apparently a private jet hired by Clinton associates was seen hovering above the jail shortly before Epstein’s body was discovered..... coincidence ?

    Jets don't hover


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    Apparently a private jet hired by Clinton associates was seen hovering above the jail shortly before Epstein’s body was discovered..... coincidence ?

    Firstly, jets - by their nature - don't hover. If they stop mid-air, they fall out of the sky.

    Secondly, how would 'a private jet hired by' ANYBODY be immediately identifiable by sight? It would look like a regular jet, it would not have the livery 'on hire to Clinton associates'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Jets don't hover

    Are you suggesting the Clintons have access to advanced technology ? Perhaps inter dimensional based technology ? I wouldn’t discount it.... it’s definitely a strong point that needs to be addressed.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Is it true with him dead it be easier to search his properties. Not saying there may be anything there unless he left evidence for insurance if he dies.

    well there is actually one benefit to the prosecutors with him being dead. the evidence that was gathered from his properties can not be challenged if it is used to prosecute anybody else involved. the only person who could challenge the validity of the search warrants (and hence whether the evidence could be used in court, fruit of the poisoned tree and all that) was epstein himself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Apparently a private jet hired by Clinton associates was seen hovering above the jail shortly before Epstein’s body was discovered..... coincidence ?

    Jets don't hover

    Well except tye harrier, but the clintons don’t have a harrier.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    There are at least two separate investigations taking place, a possible third (by an external country). Info is emerging from the union that the facility was severely understaffed, officers were working 80 hour weeks, gaps meant that augmentation took place (other professionals such as nurses filling in for prison staff), one officer was allegedly on his 5th day of overtime. Reportedly there were lapses in protocol, that his cellmate was transferred, that he wasn't checked every 30 mins. For a man who had demonstrated that he was willing to try suicide, that is terrible supervision. So maybe it's some big conspiracy to off him or maybe he was a (willing) victim of a ****ty US jail system. I'll wait for the facts/info.

    Oh ffs. Of course any cover up is going to say that. But how did he even get the equipment to hang himself and where did he hang himself from?

    That facility never had a suicide before as it happens.
    Oh sorry, momentary lapse there, it was definitely Killary and the deep state and Mossad!

    The Clinton stuff is bogus alright.


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