Dohnjoe wrote: » It's to do with facts. Not the Alex Jones style drivel I am reading in here, with people jumping to baseless conclusions that conveniently fit whatever political alignment or fringe world view they hold There are at least two separate investigations taking place, a possible third (by an external country). Info is emerging from the union that the facility was severely understaffed, officers were working 80 hour weeks, gaps meant that augmentation took place (other professionals such as nurses filling in for prison staff), one officer was allegedly on his 5th day of overtime. Reportedly there were lapses in protocol, that his cellmate was transferred, that he wasn't checked every 30 mins. For a man who had demonstrated that he was willing to try suicide, that is terrible supervision. So maybe it's some big conspiracy to off him or maybe he was a (willing) victim of a ****ty US jail system. I'll wait for the facts/info. Oh sorry, momentary lapse there, it was definitely Killary and the deep state and Mossad!
BloodBath wrote: » Where are you getting your "facts"? Snopes?
You are the opposite of a conspiracy theorist who believes everything is a conspiracy. You believe nothing is unless MSM and government agencies tell you otherwise. Equally obsessed about your stance and equally naive. Why do you jump into any thread mentioning conspiracies to down play them and mock those suggesting more than we're being told? That's pretty obsessive. Of course people are going to speculate about the highly suspicious circumstances surrounding this when little to nothing is coming from official channels. These kind of cover ups happen all the time. If he was procuring young girls for the elite do you not find the circumstances of this case suspicious? We know he was being charged with running an underage sex trafficking ring and that he had many connections with powerful people, many of which were implicated in some of the documents that were unsealed. He already got away with his previous charges through some greasy deal that also needs to be investigated. Now the case is closed and may never result in any prosecutions because Epstein was key to everything and all the evidence collected to convict him will never see the light of day. Go ahead and wait for your "facts" though so you can parrot what the MSM tells you to think.
Dohnjoe wrote: » AP, Reuters, international press reports Thanks, am not interested in personal world views, just the facts.
Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: » The deep state.
The conflict has now reached the hot-war stage where bodies are turning up, explained away by the usual laughable covers: "suicide," "accident" and "heart attack." That Jeffrey Epstein's death in a secure cell is being labeled "suicide" tells us quite a lot about the desperation of the faction trying to protect the self-serving predators that have wormed their way into control of many Deep State nodes of power.Here's the basic structure of the Deep State conflict as I see it. For context: The Deep State exploded in size and power during World War II. At the war's end, the proper role of the U.S. in the postwar era was up for grabs, and over the course of a few years, the CIA and other intelligence agencies were established and the doctrine of containment of the Soviet Union became the dominant narrative, a narrative that held with remarkable consistency for four decades until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. This collapse was another critical juncture, and debates over America's role in this "unipolar era" were finally settled in favor of the militarily-geopolitically activist ideology of neoconservatism (Neocons). This globalist ideology spawned a variety of monstrous policy disasters and as a result the Neocons have been challenged by factions within the Deep State.source
A source who spoke with journalist Vicky Ward said one of Epstein’s clients was the late Saudi arms dealer Khashoggi, a middleman in the Iran-Contra scandal who helped smuggle cash for the Marcos family out of the Philippines. In 1988, Khashoggi was arrested in Switzerland for concealing assets and later faced fraud and racketeering charges in the U.S. (He was later acquitted.) That year, he sold his 282-foot yacht to the Sultan of Brunei, who soon flipped it to Donald Trump. <snip> Later, before dissolving, Bayrock was sued by a former finance director, Jody Kriss. As reported by Unger in Vanity Fair: His complaint alleged that Bayrock was “covertly mob-owned and operated,” “backed by oligarchs and money they stole from the Russian people,” and “engaged in the businesses of financial-institution fraud, tax fraud, partnership fraud, human trafficking, child prostitution, statutory rape, and, on occasion, real estate.” The suit claimed that Bayrock had defrauded Kriss and Ejekam and “never intended to honor” promised payments. Instead, the real purpose of the company, it said, in addition to marketing expensive condos bearing the Trump brand, was “to launder many millions of dollars and evade taxes.” There is also real evidence Sater has deep ties to intelligence agencies, including U.S. intelligence. In 2014, Sater was named the man of the year of the Port Washington, NY, Chabad. It’s possible the over-the-top speech his rabbi gave, about intelligence professionals lauding Sater for saving untold lives, is generally true. At her 2015 confirmation hearing, Loretta Lynch said Sater provided “information crucial to national security and the conviction of over 20 individuals, including those responsible for committing massive financial fraud and members of La Cosa Nostra.”’source
chicorytip wrote: » He was a rich, corrupt paedophile who killed himself. So what! End of story. Nothing more here.
Meanwhile, any number of disgraced federal officials, whose misdeeds are richly documented in the public record, remain on the loose. Andrew McCabe, Bruce, Ohr, Peter Strzok, James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, and many more — once the cream of the upper echelons of federal authority! The Epstein debacle puts more pressure on William Barr, John Durham, and Michael Horowitz to get on with their jobs. All these unresolved mysteries give Americans a reason to want to arm themselves against a recklessly rogue and sinister governmentsource
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » It was the only way they could kill him I suppose. Dead men don't talk. Rich men who are not incarcerated can afford plenty of security. Yet another dead man to add to the body count that had dirt on the Clintons.
BorneTobyWilde wrote: » Cellmate removed, as to strengthen the suicide story no doubt, then left alone for 7 hours. Enough time for those people in power to get access to strangle him.
BloodBath wrote: » Where are you getting your "facts"? Snopes? You are the opposite of a conspiracy theorist who believes everything is a conspiracy. You believe nothing is unless MSM and government agencies tell you otherwise. Equally obsessed about your stance and equally naive. Why do you jump into any thread mentioning conspiracies to down play them and mock those suggesting more than we're being told? That's pretty obsessive. Of course people are going to speculate about the highly suspicious circumstances surrounding this when little to nothing is coming from official channels. These kind of cover ups happen all the time. If he was procuring young girls for the elite do you not find the circumstances of this case suspicious? We know he was being charged with running an underage sex trafficking ring and that he had many connections with powerful people, many of which were implicated in some of the documents that were unsealed. He already got away with his previous charges through some greasy deal that also needs to be investigated. Now the case is closed and may never result in any prosecutions because Epstein was key to everything and all the evidence collected to convict him will never see the light of day. Go ahead and wait for your "facts" though so you can parrot what the MSM tells you to think.
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Rules for this prison not followed. The only reason you not follow the rules you got paid off .
Cheerful Spring2 wrote: » Suicide details are changing every day. Now unnamed sources claim one of two guards watching Epstein was not properly trained and was not even a corrections officer. Who is he? Seven hours he was left alone another source. The papers are running these stories and not questioning it. Rules for this prison not followed. The only reason you not follow the rules you got paid off and some of the prison guards and staff may have got brown envelopes with money. There so much wrong with this story don't even know where to begin. The cells had cameras it lie they don't and this now brushed under the rug. Tomorrow we might have new narrative.
The fascinating connection her is Ghislaine Maxwell is the daughter of Robert Maxwell who I believe was a member of “The Club” deeply involved with Salomon Brothers and had dealings also with Goldman Sachs. You got it. The official report issued by Britain’s Department of Trade and Industry said investment bank Goldman Sachs Group, Inc had “substantial responsibility” for allowing Mr. Maxwell to manipulate the stock market prior to the collapse of his businesses reported the Wall Street Journal back in April 2001.source
An inquest into his death failed to answer any of the key questions. The medical evidence was equivocal. Three pathologists who performed post-mortem examinations failed to agree about the circumstances of his death. One concluded he died of a heart attack, another said he suffered a heart attack and drowned while a third dismissed the heart condition as a cause of death saying Maxwell had fallen into the sea and drowned. Such contradiction and inconsistency only served to trigger a flood of theories attempting to explain his possible state of mind and the circumstances of his demise.
martingriff wrote: » Jimmy Garlic wrote: » It was the only way they could kill him I suppose. Dead men don't talk. Rich men who are not incarcerated can afford plenty of security. Yet another dead man to add to the body count that had dirt on the Clintons. He was killed by the Clintons. You should go to the police, FOX, and set up a youtube channel to show it. Oh wait you don't. Lots of people would love him dead Clintons been 1 and a certain man called Donald Trump been another
EltonJohn69 wrote: » Apparently a private jet hired by Clinton associates was seen hovering above the jail shortly before Epstein’s body was discovered..... coincidence ?
JustJoe7240 wrote: » Jets don't hover
martingriff wrote: » Is it true with him dead it be easier to search his properties. Not saying there may be anything there unless he left evidence for insurance if he dies.
JustJoe7240 wrote: » EltonJohn69 wrote: » Apparently a private jet hired by Clinton associates was seen hovering above the jail shortly before Epstein’s body was discovered..... coincidence ? Jets don't hover
Dohnjoe wrote: » There are at least two separate investigations taking place, a possible third (by an external country). Info is emerging from the union that the facility was severely understaffed, officers were working 80 hour weeks, gaps meant that augmentation took place (other professionals such as nurses filling in for prison staff), one officer was allegedly on his 5th day of overtime. Reportedly there were lapses in protocol, that his cellmate was transferred, that he wasn't checked every 30 mins. For a man who had demonstrated that he was willing to try suicide, that is terrible supervision. So maybe it's some big conspiracy to off him or maybe he was a (willing) victim of a ****ty US jail system. I'll wait for the facts/info.
Oh sorry, momentary lapse there, it was definitely Killary and the deep state and Mossad!
