Should Israel really be condemned and boycotted?

tayto lover · 12-08-2019 10:47AM

Someone was not being completely truthful it seems.

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 03:10PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Also another thing that is destroying the Palestinian economy is the stand off between the Palestinian Authority Govt and the Hamas govt.

No one talks about how that is making Palestinians poorer.

All hamas does in response to the economy is go to war with Israel and wait for the international response of sympathy and rallying of nationalist support. Which they get which makes them do it more.

Unemployment in Gaza is at 52 %. Its NUTS!

And i mean i don't know about you but if i want a country to open up its borders to me i stop going to war with it.

...maybe they'd do that if the other side stopped colonising them.

James Brown · 12-08-2019 03:22PM

hamsin wrote: »

How much water has Israel "stolen" in the last year? Last 2 years? Any period of time?

Is there any point in him responding? I gave you a figure, down the the square KM of how much land Israel has stolen to date and you let that drop.

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 04:17PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You realize in some countries they found they were funding terrorism not only in Palestine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/27/world/middleeast/bds-israel-boycott-antisemitic.html

The council includes several groups designated by the United States as terrorist organizations, including Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine

Hamas was created in 1987, Islamic Jihad in 1981 - very roughly 18 and 12 years after the start of the settlement movement in Gaza/West Bank, afaik. The PFLP are a secular resistance group dating back to the late sixties.

Nelson Mandela and the ANC were only removed from the US terrorist "watch" list in 2008.

hamsin · 12-08-2019 05:19PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Is there any point in him responding? I gave you a figure, down the the square KM of how much land Israel has stolen to date and you let that drop.

My initial question was:
How much land have Israelis "stolen" in the last 40 years?
Your response:
Well 7,099 KM that they brazenly lay claim to illegally.
My response:
To claim and to steal are different things. And where you got this claim?
You simply ignored my question.

You didn't answer my initial question and you know it.
Nobody forces you to respond my posts, especially if you have nothing to respond.

TaurenDruid · 12-08-2019 05:23PM

hamsin wrote: »

My initial question was:
How much land have Israelis "stolen" in the last 40 years?
Your response:
Well 7,099 KM that they brazenly lay claim to illegally.
My response:
To claim and to steal are different things. And where you got this claim?
You simply ignored my question.

You didn't answer my initial question and you know it.
Nobody forces you to respond my posts, especially if you have nothing to respond.

Dude. Reputable news sources publish the maps showing the ever decreasing size of Palestinian territory. They also show the videos of Palestinians being evicted, their houses being bulldozed, and illegal Israeli settlements being built. Israel steals land and water.

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 05:32PM

hamsin wrote: »

My initial question was:
How much land have Israelis "stolen" in the last 40 years?
Your response:
Well 7,099 KM that they brazenly lay claim to illegally.
My response:
To claim and to steal are different things. And where you got this claim?
You simply ignored my question.

You didn't answer my initial question and you know it.
Nobody forces you to respond my posts, especially if you have nothing to respond.

Are you trying to say that Israel hasn't appropriated land in the occupied territories?

James Brown · 12-08-2019 05:51PM

hamsin wrote: »

My initial question was:
How much land have Israelis "stolen" in the last 40 years?
Your response:
Well 7,099 KM that they brazenly lay claim to illegally.
My response:
To claim and to steal are different things. And where you got this claim?
You simply ignored my question.

You didn't answer my initial question and you know it.
Nobody forces you to respond my posts, especially if you have nothing to respond.

You are playing pedantry. Stole means taking something that doesn't belong to you. Israel stole/steals land. They stole the Golan Heights. Laying claim can mean either taking rightful ownership or stealing when it comes to Israel.
I got this fact from the official geography of Israel of the 40's as compared to the stolen land or 'disputed' land of today. 'Disputed' meaning Israel stole it and won't acknowledge they did. What thief would?

hamsin · 12-08-2019 06:13PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Dude. Reputable news sources publish the maps showing the ever decreasing size of Palestinian territory. They also show the videos of Palestinians being evicted, their houses being bulldozed, and illegal Israeli settlements being built. Israel steals land and water.

Dude,
do you know that land is measurable? Do you know that land cannot be moved or hidden? I don't need pictures and videos. I ask a very simple question: how much land have Israelis "stolen" in the last 40 years?

hamsin · 12-08-2019 06:14PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Are you trying to say that Israel hasn't appropriated land in the occupied territories?

OK, how much land did Israel "appropriate" in the last 40 years, 30 years, 20 years, last year?

TheRepentent · 12-08-2019 06:17PM

I spy , with my little eye . something beginning with H!!!

Hasbara

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 06:19PM

hamsin wrote: »

OK, how much land did Israel "appropriate" in the last 40 years, 30 years, 20 years, last year?

This interactive map explains quite clearly what land was seized and when, starting from 1967

https://conquer-and-divide.btselem.org/map-en.html

James Brown · 12-08-2019 06:20PM

hamsin wrote: »

Dude,
do you know that land is measurable? Do you know that land cannot be moved or hidden? I don't need pictures and videos. I ask a very simple question: how much land have Israelis "stolen" in the last 40 years?

7,099 KM

hamsin · 12-08-2019 06:28PM

Odhinn wrote: »

This interactive map explains quite clearly what land was seized and when, starting from 1967

https://conquer-and-divide.btselem.org/map-en.html

hamsin wrote: »

Dude,
do you know that land is measurable? Do you know that land cannot be moved or hidden? I don't need pictures and videos. I ask a very simple question: how much land have Israelis "stolen" in the last 40 years?

...

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 06:54PM

hamsin wrote: »

...

You can add it up from the map supplied, which provides it year by year from 1967, so stop being obtuse.

hamsin · 12-08-2019 07:28PM

Odhinn wrote: »

You can add it up from the map supplied, which provides it year by year from 1967, so stop being obtuse.

You are speaking about stealing and appropriating land, not me. So it's your task, not mine. Give the number and justify it.

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 07:30PM

hamsin wrote: »

You are speaking about stealing and appropriating land, not me. So it's your task, not mine. Give the number and justify it.

I've given you a map which gives the numbers and manner in which land was taken. You refusing to read it is your problem, and is simply evasion.

James Brown · 12-08-2019 07:40PM

Odhinn wrote: »

I've given you a map which gives the numbers and manner in which land was taken. You refusing to read it is your problem, and is simply evasion.

I've given him the number twice.
If I break into his house and claim his telly would he consider it stealing I wonder?

hamsin · 12-08-2019 07:46PM

Odhinn wrote: »

I've given you a map which gives the numbers and manner in which land was taken. You refusing to read it is your problem, and is simply evasion.

You are unable to answer my question, even using biased source. That's the point.

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 07:49PM

hamsin wrote: »

You are unable to answer my question, even using biased source. That's the point.

You aren't very good at this, are you?

Are you stating that israel hasn't seized any land outside its 1967 borders?

hamsin · 12-08-2019 07:50PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I've given him the number twice.
If I break into his house and claim his telly would he consider it stealing I wonder?

You already proved that you don't know the meaning of the word "to steal". No need to repeat it.

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 07:52PM

hamsin wrote: »

You already proved that you don't know the meaning of the word "to steal". No need to repeat it.

In what way is he using the words "to steal" incorrectly?

Are you stating Israel has not taken any land outside its 1967 borders?

hamsin · 12-08-2019 07:57PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Are you stating that israel hasn't seized any land outside its 1967 borders?

I'm stating nothing. I just asked a very simple question and you cannot answer it. That's the truth.

You also think that stealing and claiming is the same?

biko · 12-08-2019 08:03PM

I don't know what the fuss is all about.
It's pretty racist of Palestinians to want to exclude others from their ethno-state.
They need more open borders, and less closed minds!

Odhinn · 12-08-2019 08:06PM

hamsin wrote: »

I'm stating nothing. I just asked a very simple question and you cannot answer it. That's the truth.

You also think that stealing and claiming is the same?

If I build apartments on land that I took from somebody else, I've done far more than claim it.

In what way is he using the words "to steal" incorrectly?

James Brown · 12-08-2019 08:10PM

hamsin wrote: »

I'm stating nothing. I just asked a very simple question and you cannot answer it. That's the truth.

You also think that stealing and claiming is the same?

It's been answered.

It is when Israel does it.

TaurenDruid · 12-08-2019 08:51PM

There comes a point when we really need to stop feeding the trolls...

One of those points might be when yer wan who joined a week ago and has yet to post outside this thread fails to understand what stealing land means.

Another might be when yer wan who manages 50 posts a night(!) pops along later with another 6 or 8 posts in a row, full of 10 year old pictures and videos with either no English or no dialogue at all, that completely fail to refute the multiple examples given of water being stolen...

ILoveYourVibes · 12-08-2019 10:57PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

So - another 7 posts (in a row!), more shouting down other people, and - of course - completely missing the point. Or deliberately diverting from it.

That has nothing to do with Israel. Israel supplies all the allocated water its required to.

Stop playing the victim if i was shouting people down I am sure the mods would have warned me since I have not received a warning less of the backseat modding please.

ILoveYourVibes · 12-08-2019 10:59PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

There comes a point when we really need to stop feeding the trolls...

One of those points might be when yer wan who joined a week ago and has yet to post outside this thread fails to understand what stealing land means.

Another might be when yer wan who manages 50 posts a night(!) pops along later with another 6 or 8 posts in a row, full of 10 year old pictures and videos with either no English or no dialogue at all, that completely fail to refute the multiple examples given of water being stolen...

There is NO water being stolen.

You realize Israel IS actually entitled legally to water from the west bank right?

They can also BUY it from Palestinians. Which they do.

Its not my fault English is your only language.

Maybe if you actually spoke Arabic you might be able to help Palestinians more.

Those pictures are recent its gaza NOW.

ILoveYourVibes · 12-08-2019 11:13PM

Odhinn wrote: »

You can add it up from the map supplied, which provides it year by year from 1967, so stop being obtuse.

Odhinn

THAT MAP IS OBVIOUSLY INCORRECT.

From 49 until 67 the West Bank was part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt.

Neither territory had anything to do with Israel at the time. The map is bull****.

Palestinians have more land now under their control than they have ever had in history.

That is a indisputable fact.

Before 49 Palestine was a HUGE region that also included Jordan.

It was TWICE THE SIZE of what that map says it was.

The map is obviously fake and totally incorrect.

The WHOLE region fell to the British. They divided it up they gave over three quarters of the land to the Arabs who lived there. Some of these arabs became Jordanians and some became Palestinians.

This fact is further demonstrated by the fact that both Egypt and Jordan claimed parts of Palestine to be theirs until 67. And even after that Palestinians tried to claim Jordan in the 80s. They tried to overthrow the Jordanian family.

There are still Jordanians and Palestinians today who dispute the border between Jordan and Palestine.

Yet people think to this day that the only Arabs in the region were those that today call themselves Palestinians.

Egyptians Jordanians and Palestinians ALL speak the same dialect of Arabic. They all practice sunni islam.

Should Israel really be condemned and boycotted?

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