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Pointing out poor gym form - a no-no?

  • 08-08-2019 02:37PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    I (male) was working out and noticed a lady next to me doing weights. I noticed that the form she had for a particular exercise wasn't, in my untrained opinion, correct. In my opinion, her form could cause back injury.

    As I continued my workout, I wondered how it would be taken if I politely and non-mansplainly corrected her, pointing out that it could damage her back. I didn't and nowadays, definitely wouldn't but it got me wondering how it would be taken.

    I did think that a major reason not to is that I'm not an expert so maybe the way I do said exercise is actually wrong, and would be giving poor advice.

    It's relevant that the person was female, I think. I think I would have been more likely to say it to a male gym-goer but again, I probably would just have left it.

    It has happened to me before on 2 separate occasions where a male gym-goer has pointed out something about my form that I'm doing wrong and politely demonstrated how they think it should be done. On both occasions, I took it fine and despite a small hint of embarrassment, I was grateful for the advice as otherwise I would have continued incorrectly.

    I'm aware that the advice would be to best stay out of it, and of course I headed such advice. But does erring on the side of caution make the world more suspicious and insular?

    Edit (after 2 pages of replies):

    My angle in this thread was more about how men engage with women nowadays, as in the fear it might come as condescending.

    I read a tweet about a lady saying she firmly turned down an offer from a middle-aged man who offered to put her bag in the overhead compartment of an aeroplane. She did this as protest against misogyny. I can't find the tweet unfortunately. Some people agreed but others said be grateful for kindness.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    non-mansplainly

    And that's where I stopped reading...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,513 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It depends. When I first started out going to gyms years ago the place was full of full on body builder dudes but they'd often correct my form or give me tips. I thought it was nice of them and they had the bodies to back up what they were talking about. If you were some out of shape gobsh*te I'd probably think otherwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    OP, just do this:

    giphy.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I wouldn't ever interrupt someone training unless they asked for my opinion/advice.

    Bare in mind, that could be the persons 1st time in the Gym or they are only starting out.
    Starting out in a Gym can be quite daunting for someone that's never trained before.

    The last thing they need is someone coming up to them going "Here's a list of things you're doing wrong"

    Leave them at it, concentrate on your own training.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    I wouldn't ever interrupt someone training unless they asked for my opinion/advice.

    Bare in mind, that could be the persons 1st time in the Gym or they are only starting out.
    Starting out in a Gym can be quite daunting for someone that's never trained before.

    The last thing they need is someone coming up to them going "Here's a list of things you're doing wrong"

    Leave them at it, concentrate on your own training.
    Nonsense. If someone is at risk of hurting themselves you should always intervene, even if they themselves would rather risk injury than have their ego dented for a moment by someone correcting their mistakes. Now that this made up term "mansplaining" has taken off, some women have taken that to mean that any man correcting them is committing an act of misogyny.

    My (adult) daughter is like that. She's about three stone overweight and constantly complaining about having a "poor body image" but she won't listen to any of my advice regarding portion sizes and eating sweets every evening, accusing me of talking down to her and "mansplaining." It's bollocks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    You need to be sure what you're correcting.

    I remember when me and my mates were starting out in the gym and were all skinny whippets, we were doing a tricep exercise with the EZ curl bar. Some big, bodybuilder bloke comes over and says don't do that, use this and hands my mate the tricep bar.

    It makes it a totally different exercise.:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    I (male) was working out and noticed a lady next to me

    Not Gay


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    There isn't a rule book for any of this. Read the situation and make a judgement call.

    Just don't have your hands down your shorts while doing it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    ...Just don't have your hands down your shorts while doing it

    ...but make sure you do this:

    DearQuarterlyDingo-size_restricted.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    Nonsense. If someone is at risk of hurting themselves you should always intervene, even if they themselves would rather risk injury than have their ego dented for a moment by someone correcting their mistakes. Now that this made up term "mansplaining" has taken off, some women have taken that to mean that any man correcting them is committing an act of misogyny.

    Nah, I have to disagree.
    I go to the Gym to concentrate on my own training, if I see a man or woman training incorrectly I'm not gonna say it to them. Obviously if I seen them in distress with a barbell I'd intervene and then maybe offer advice.

    I wouldn't walk up to some randomer though and say here's what you're doing wrong.

    Gym's are funny oul places, lot of "heads" in them.
    If you saw someone running across the road with the red man being displayed at a pelican crossing, would you go over and say to them You're supposed to wait for the green man? It is afterall more dangerous than lifting weights incorrectly.

    Course you wouldn't, so why would say something to some person you don't even know in a Gym


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,010 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    jimgoose wrote: »
    ...but make sure you do this:

    DearQuarterlyDingo-size_restricted.gif

    This is key!


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    jimgoose wrote: »
    ...but make sure you do this:


    that goes without saying


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    and this


    KeenGratefulAltiplanochinchillamouse-size_restricted.gif


    i go to the gym in suits as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Only offer advice in the gym if you're specifically asked, or if the person is clearly looking around for someone to ask for help, especially if you don't know 100% what you're talking about. If the gym employs staff, the staff should be keeping an eye out for people potentially injuring themselves and making suggestions so that they don't put in a claim and ruin the gym for the rest of us


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    If you saw someone running across the road with the red man being displayed at a pelican crossing, would you go over and say to them You're supposed to wait for the green man? It is afterall more dangerous than lifting weights incorrectly.
    If a car that might run them over was coming I would say "watch out," yes. So would anyone else. So should everyone, I should think.

    All this "I would only offer advice if I was asked" stuff is cowardice and pathetically non-confrontational. If someone is risking injury, and you're capable of preventing it, you have a responsibility to intervene.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    If a car that might run them over was coming I would say "watch out," yes. So would anyone else. So should everyone, I should think.

    All this "I would only offer advice if I was asked" stuff is cowardice and pathetically non-confrontational. If someone is risking injury, and you're capable of preventing it, you have a responsibility to intervene.

    I'm responsible for myself in the gym. If I see someone failing or who needs help getting out from under a barbell cos they've failed on a lift I'll help of course, but I'm not there to keep an eye out for other peoples form. That's what they pay staff to do. Additionally you should only really offer advice if you actually know what you're talking about, which the OP has said he doesn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭Thoie


    You don't work there, mind your own business. If you're concerned someone might injure themselves or others, bring it to the attention of someone qualified who works there, and let them decide what to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,676 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    There isn't a rule book for any of this. Read the situation and make a judgement call.

    Just don't have your hands down your shorts while doing it

    This is sort of my take too. I'll point out to people I know in the gym when they're doing something wrong, but it's easy to come across as condescending, especially if it's someone you don't know.

    A lot of people have pointed out that you should leave the staff point it out to them. A friend of a friend is a qualified personal trainer and apparently they're told that if they see someone with bad form, even if they're likely to injure themselves, to leave them off. They're only to intervene if the person asks for advice or if they're going to injure someone else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    I'm responsible for myself in the gym. If I see someone failing or who needs help getting out from under a barbell cos they've failed on a lift I'll help of course, but I'm not there to keep an eye out for other peoples form. That's what they pay staff to do. Additionally you should only really offer advice if you actually know what you're talking about, which the OP has said he doesn't.
    You can see things without keeping an eye out for them. I'm not keeping an eye out on other people's children but if I see a kid running out into traffic I will try to stop them.


    Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Thoie wrote: »
    You don't work there, mind your own business. If you're concerned someone might injure themselves or others, bring it to the attention of someone qualified who works there, and let them decide what to do.

    Exactly. Tell the gym instructor that you think that the lady may injure herself and let the instructor offer advice.

    Besides the possible embarrassment that the OP can get for interfering, any potential advice may lead to the lady in question understanding it incorrectly just because the OP may not have the time or the skill to explain it correctly. How can you be sure that the advice won't make things even worse?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    I'd love to know how some of the people in this thread cope without having teacher to run to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    I'd love to know how some of the people in this thread cope without having teacher to run to.

    By making decisions for themselves and leaving other adults to make their own decisions?

    The example with a kid running across a road is not valid. Kids might not be able to make informed decisions and must be helped if there is threat to their well-being.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    My angle in this thread was more about how men engage with women nowadays, as in the fear it might come as condescending.

    I read a tweet about a lady saying she firmly turned down an offer from a middle-aged man who offered to put her bag in the overhead compartment of an aeroplane. She did this as protest against misogyny. I can't find the tweet unfortunately. Some people agreed but others said be grateful for kindness.

    I'll edit my OP to clarify.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭mr chips


    I go to a coached gym session three or four times a week - been going to the same one for nearly 8 years. It's mostly regulars but of course there will be new people from time to time. More than once I've had to drop what I was doing and dart over to lift a bar off someone who tried to bench press or back squat more weight than they could handle. Sometimes I also see people getting some of the post-workout stretches wrong - it's clear that they haven't quite grasped what they were shown after their first session and are likely to hurt themselves as a result. I have no problem offering advice/assistance to either males or females in those circumstances, especially with free weights - e.g. someone attempting a back squat and tipping forward, or trying to bench press a weight they're able to lift off the rack but can't manage to push back up and then get stuck with it on their chest or even rolling towards their neck.

    Sometimes people get the movement wrong because they've simply forgotten or misunderstood what they've just been told by the coach and he's gone for a moment to work with someone else. Sometimes it happens because the person has simply ignored the instructions they were given! For a myriad of social/cultural reasons, I think there's a higher proportion of women than men who've simply never been in a gym before, so there will be a greater likelihood of uncertainty/lack of confidence in those for whom this is the case. Some women can also find it a bit intimidating to be in a mixed gym, especially if there are a lot of Arnie lookalikes lumbering around the place. Obviously you don't want to exacerbate any sense of discomfort here, but if you're generally able to talk to women without coming across as condescending/arrogant/whatever, hopefully doing so in the gym will be no different.

    If you're not sure how your unsolicited advice will be taken you can simply ask "how are you finding that?" or words to that effect, but IMO there's no harm in giving a gentle reminder along the lines of "Sorry, just in case you end up hurting yourself I think you might want to ask the coach to have a look at how you're doing that." Any time I say something like that (to either a male or a female), what invariably happens then is that the person will either say straight away that they're struggling with it, or will ask my advice on what I think they need to change, which I'm happy to give but which I always follow up with a reminder to check with the coach. I think it's generally pretty clear that I'm just trying to be helpful - if the person doesn't want my help, no problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭mr chips


    One other observation, not specific to OP's question but which is sort of related ...

    If anything - and this is a pretty broad generalisation - there tends to be a bit more ego with lads than with ladies in the gym. One mistake inexperienced gym-goers often make is they try to lift more than they're able for because they see other people lifting a certain weight and think that's what they'll go for as well. The advice is always to start at a weight that's low enough to be comfortable for you and gradually build up to heavier stuff over days/weeks/months. Women don't usually have a problem adhering to that - if anything, they tend at first to need encouragement to attempt something more challenging. The biggest barrier is often mental rather than physical, and many girls just don't believe they can manage something that they are actually well capable of doing.

    Lads jump in at the deep end all the time! There's be always be some guys who see one of the girls - who I happen to know have been doing weight training for several years - doing something like a 60kg clean & press. The lads try to go straight in at that sort of weight and get embarrassed when they can't do it ... EVEN THOUGH A GIRL CAN!! There have even been a few lads who came for a few days or a week and then just didn't come back after something like that happened. Ah well, their loss.

    Also - in my mixed gym, fellas seem more likely to take advice from another fella, but maybe not so much from a girl. However, the new-to-the-gym ladies are usually more attentive and more likely to stick with the advice they're given from the outset, progressing more quickly as a result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Tell her to buy Starting Strength and leave it at that.

    Can I ask how did you notice her bad form?

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    As a woman, mind your own business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,033 ✭✭✭Feisar


    anewme wrote: »
    As a woman, mind your own business.

    Yea but women ain't got a hive mind. If it prevents a serious injury?

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    anewme wrote: »
    As a woman, mind your own business.

    So if I saw a bucket of cement falling from a building site onto your head I shouldn’t say “duck” because it’s none of my business?

    If I saw a man or woman struggling or using such poor form in the gym they would risk an injury, I wouldn’t hesitate for one second to let them know. A bruised ego is nothing compared with a serious spinal injury or sprained muscle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,584 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    If you are an expert.

    Bear in mind though men and women have different bodies and women are actually MEANT to do a lot of exercises very differently.

    We are hip and quad dominant. We tend to overuse our quads a lot.


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