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Why are so many millennials getting into communism?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Nothing wrong with a wealth tax on earnings over 50 million. I think most of you guys are safe :)

    A wealth tax is a noble idea, but if you're a wealthy person subject to the tax, you might be OK with paying it, but it would have to be galling if you saw your tax money being used poorly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    Nothing wrong with a wealth tax on earnings over 50 million. I think most of you guys are safe :)

    There are very few people in the world who earn 50 million per year. If you're talking about taxing assets, that's a completely different, darker story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 571 ✭✭✭kikilarue2


    14dMoney wrote: »
    kikilarue2 wrote: »
    And what makes you think we are now in that phase, per your OP?

    I never said we were at that phase, I said it was growing in popularity amongst a certain demographic. Do you even read good?

    Yeah, and you have nothing too justify your OP other than own opinion which so far appears to be based on nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    They're essentially the anti vaxxers of politics


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 129 ✭✭Ecce No Homo


    I can hardly walk down the street these days without being crushed between legions of unhealthy and unattractive vegan communists.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Because they are clueless and have experienced nothing.

    On paper communism is a Utopia defined. It is a perfect society. Reality is very different.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 571 ✭✭✭kikilarue2


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    They're more into Nanny statism than communism.

    Communism was backed by an underlying belief that the individual works for the good of all via the state. Hence why Soviet propaganda often feted individuals who worked very hard for no extra benefit to themselves, but to the overall benefit of the state.

    The creatures you refer to fundamentally believe the state is responsible for looking after them from cradle to grave. They resent all taxes but simultaneously want the state to give them a high standard of living.

    They'd be just as happy to shaft their kids as their parents were, because they're a selfish shower of ****.

    I’m a millennial.

    I don’t resent taxes.

    I do feel that the level of tax I pay should be congruent with the level of services the state provides.

    At the moment we are keeping our end of the bargain by paying taxes, while the State is failing in its role which is to distribute those taxes to healthcare, housing and education among others, and to spend that money efficiently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    kikilarue2 wrote: »
    Yeah, and you have nothing too justify your OP other than own opinion which so far appears to be based on nothing.

    I assumed you could use Google. But since you can't, here is an article run by the Economist about resurgent far left politics.

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/02/14/millennial-socialism

    If you can't manage to click the link, let me know and I'll break it into easy-to-manage chunks for you. I know it's scary, but don't worry. I'll help you understand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Can anyone name any sucessful Communist country that people aren't scrambling to get out of? ie that isn't an oppressive kip that your every move is monitored or those with a dodgy human rights record?
    And not those Communist countries that are "Communist" in name only.

    China’s alright.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    14dMoney wrote: »
    I assumed you could use Google. But since you can't, here is an article run by the Economist about resurgent far left politics.

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/02/14/millennial-socialism

    If you can't manage to click the link, let me know and I'll break it into easy-to-manage chunks for you. I know it's scary, but don't worry. I'll help you understand.

    That would be millennial socialism not millennial communism which is what you are on about. A socialist is not a communist.

    Maybe do a bit more reading?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    14dMoney wrote: »
    There are very few people in the world who earn 50 million per year. If you're talking about taxing assets, that's a completely different, darker story.


    The tax would only start at 50 million, getting more punitive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭The Hound Gone Wild


    I think most have grown disillusioned with capitalism. They've done what their parents told them would lead to a good life, use your free frees and go to college. This would have been the case in their parents day but not anymore.

    Most went to ITs or degree mills and studied economically worthless degrees, graduated and expected the 50k salary. When nobody wanted to hire the philosophy and sociology graduate they took the entry level call center job for 22k. They're now stuck living with their parents or in a shared room for 50% of their salary complaining that the system isn't fair.

    Anyone who went to university to study something economicly worthwhile are not struggling to get on with life.

    "Hobby degrees" should be discouraged in youth and actively incentivsed in later life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    That would be millennial socialism not millennial communism which is what you are on about. A socialist is not a communist.

    Maybe do a bit more reading?

    Socialism is a precursor to communism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    China’s alright.

    Yeah it's great, unless you're Tibetan, or a minority or criticise the govt in even a teeny weeny way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    14dMoney wrote: »
    There are very few people in the world who earn 50 million per year. If you're talking about taxing assets, that's a completely different, darker story.

    Don’t see what’s too dark about it. What’s interesting is that if people with 50 million in assets were taxed more it might reduce income tax. The worst decision left wingers have made historically is to concentrate on income tax rather than wealth or unearned income as the only basis basis or redistribution.

    (The second major historical mistake is siding with the cultural and racial driven American left).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    Yeah it's great, unless you're Tibetan, or a minority or criticise the govt in even a teeny weeny way.

    I'd also struggle to call modern day China a communist country, given the industry and billionaires there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    I think when people talk socialism, they are talking democratic Socialism. I've never hard anyone in Ireland talking communism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭Homelander


    China’s alright.


    It's a sort of hybrid though, not full communism in practice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Yeah it's great, unless you're Tibetan, or a minority or criticise the govt in even a teeny weeny way.

    Oh I dunno. It has fewer people in jail than the US. Not per capita, but in total. Although it could be improved. Of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    Don’t see what’s too dark about it. What’s interesting is that if people with 50 million in assets were taxed more it might reduce income tax. The worst decision left wingers have made historically is to concentrate on income tax rather than wealth or unearned income as the only basis basis or redistribution.

    (The second major historical mistake is siding with the cultural and racial driven American left).

    Because you shouldn't be taxed on something that has already been payed for.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    14dMoney wrote: »
    I'd also struggle to call modern day China a communist country, given the industry and billionaires there.

    That too. There's still a wealthy elite, so hardly Communist in the strict sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    Can you justify that with empirical evidence?

    Marx defined Socialism as the 2nd last part of economic evolution, the last being Communism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    The Communist Manifesto is a terrible book. It's in league with books like The Secret and Guns, Germs and Steel.

    They make alot of claims ranging from spurious to incompetent, which is obvious when they're subjected to a small amount of thinking or fact checking. Certain books like these can also promise amazing things If adhered to. Most importantly, they are written in a way which implies rigour, experience and honesty, yet contain very little.

    Essentially these books cater to people that consider themselves good and intelligent. Anyone that rubishes the ideas can be dismissed as evil/anti-intellectuals that can't understand the books/people that don't even read at all, etc.

    There's a level of thoroughness and dryness in great political/economic books which is impenetrable for most people. Even for professors, who consider themselves the cream of the crop in terms of intelligence. These profs naturally want to appear very politically savy, so the Communist Manifesto will somehow appeal to them, and get passed on to their students in the process, which keeps it relevant and safe to parrot.

    There are books on Capitalism which are of the exact same type as the above. They cater to the exact same people, and unless you are exceedingly intelligent and have dedicated your life to understanding economics and human behaviour and probably other disciplines too, you will have a very difficult time unpacking the truth from the falsehoods.

    Put together all these factors, then remember that Tom Cruise is a member of Scientology and hundreds were convinced to suicide themselves during the Jonestown Massacre, and it's not surprising that bad ideas refuse go away.

    Ideologies are a minefield. Every person in a system needs the system justified in degrees of intelligibiliy ranging from, "Happy people do this!" on one end, to collections of thousand page tombs on happiness, spanning centuries and written by some extremely clever and dedicated philosophers, who nonetheless all disagree with one another on the other end!


    But that's just my current perception of things. There are many other factors to consider. Disenfranchisement is what allows the madness to proliferate. Unfortunately, the types of enfranchisement available to such people is rarely benevolent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    14dMoney wrote: »
    Because you shouldn't be taxed on something that has already been payed for.

    The economy should be viewed as an ecosystem, with capital as the life-blood. If the blood is pooling and stagnating it needs incentives to start moving again. If your money is static and over some obscene threshold, say 50 million, then it needs to be taken from you and put to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    The economy should be viewed as an ecosystem, with capital as the life-blood. If the blood is pooling and stagnating it needs incentives to start moving again. If your money is static and over some obscene threshold, say 50 million, then it needs to be taken from you and put to work.

    How would this work with let's say a guy who owns a company worth 100 million?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    14dMoney wrote: »
    How would this work with let's say a guy who owns a company worth 100 million?

    You mean has shares in a company? Then that's money working. But if he's earning 50M per year as a share holder, then he gets taxed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It has crept in the backdoor over the last 20 years or so.

    New more creative taxes, restrictions on the importance of personal choice and responsibilities, the nanny state, the overemphasis on "poor people" in the media without referencing that of their own life mistakes, the buzz words of "equality" and "compassion", the constant highering of the bar for who falls into the Poverty criteria.

    Just look at the things you were able to do and say 20 years ago, compared to now. Are you more free now than 20 years ago?

    Now Green Issues are the new thing. They want to get rid of all branded packaging, whilst at the same time the nanny state are attempting to make all of these things taste the same, with increased taxes of sugar and regulations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭14dMoney


    You mean has shares in a company? Then that's money working. But if he's earning 50M per year as a share holder, then he gets taxed.

    So again this needs to be cleared up. Let's take Jeff Bezos for example. Should he pay over this threshold? His wealth grew by Billions last year, yet he earned a salary of 85k from Amazon. BTW I'm not being facetious here, I'm genuinely interested!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    I would also add the monopolization of the mainstream media, is actually criminal. You are literally putting thoughts in the heads of people who either are too busy or stupid to think for themselves.

    Ask yourself who does Fox news target.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,380 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Wait A Sec wrote: »
    Millenials pay 90 euros for jeans that have holes in them... if they are poor it's their own fault.

    Since 84?


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