Why are so many millennials getting into communism?

14dMoney

I read Marx etc. in college, but back then students more or less grew out of it, bar the odd free-loader artist. Why is communism suddenly so popular?

frag420

You get free a free Chè poster when you join up...

Stevieluvsye

Because the ultra left has also become so popular

kikilarue2

14dMoney wrote: »

I read Marx etc. in college, but back then students more or less grew out of it, bar the odd free-loader artist. Why is communism suddenly so popular?

Who says it is?

B.A._Baracus

Am sure it's not that bad op. But i'm no expert on communism but isn't the main thing (at least on paper) that wealth is shared and no one is meant to be rich? (of course doesn't end up like that)

But that right there says to me why a bunch of douchebags without any life experience would want that.

14dMoney

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Because the ultra left has also become so popular

That's what I don't understand either, why is one extreme tolerated, and the other isn't?

Wait A Sec

A way to piss your parents off.

Mad_maxx

Seems to be popular with those who can afford it.

Woke Hogan

Capitalism is killing the planet.

The 1% is hoarding all of the wealth.

Wages have been stagnant for over a decade and costs of living have been rising so millennials have suffered from a massive drop in living standards compared to people of my generation.

boombang

I suppose they see that they've got a raw deal inter-generationally since the post 2008 crash, they might somewhat justfiably see that event as a failure of capitalism and many of them will be too young to remember/realise how horrible life was in socialists states. I see why it can attract young and naive minds. Plus, the new left tells them that it will be the solution to all their problems. They should go and check out Venezuela first.

Wait A Sec

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Capitalism is killing the planet.

The 1% is hoarding all of the wealth.

Wages have been stagnant for over a decade and costs of living have been rising so millennials have suffered from a massive drop in living standards compared to people of my generation.

Millenials pay 90 euros for jeans that have holes in them... if they are poor it's their own fault.

14dMoney

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Capitalism is killing the planet.

The 1% is hoarding all of the wealth.

Wages have been stagnant for over a decade and costs of living have been rising so millennials have suffered from a massive drop in living standards compared to people of my generation.

That's another thing I don't understand, people harping on about the 1%. If you earn more than 30k, you are in the 1%

kikilarue2

All my peers are millennials. None of us are communists. Still waiting for some kind of link to justify the claim that it has become significantly more popular of late.

Potatoeman

It’s not. Young people don’t understand what communism is. They don’t seem to understand it means their assets will be appropriated by the state too.

boombang

kikilarue2 wrote: »

All my peers are millennials. None of us are communists. Still waiting for some kind of link to justify the claim that it has become significantly more popular of late.

The rise of Corbyn and momentum would hardly be evidence of full-blown communism, but definite increased sympathy for the left.

VinLieger

Socialism is not communism, you claim to have read Marx etc but cannot distinguish between the two

Potatoeman

kikilarue2 wrote: »

All my peers are millennials. None of us are communists. Still waiting for some kind of link to justify the claim that it has become significantly more popular of late.

Stuff like this:
https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/17/survey-finds-high-support-communism-among-millennials/

14dMoney

kikilarue2 wrote: »

All my peers are millennials. None of us are communists. Still waiting for some kind of link to justify the claim that it has become significantly more popular of late.

What sort of a link do you want? Funnily enough, the CSO don't ask "are you a communist?" on the census.

kikilarue2

boombang wrote: »

The rise of Corbyn and momentum would hardly be evidence of full-blown communism, but definite increased sympathy for the left.

Ah, but the thread title isn't "What's with the rise of Socialism/ social democrats?" which would be reflected by Sanders/ Corbyn.

OP doesn't know what Communism is?

kikilarue2

14dMoney wrote: »

What sort of a link do you want? Funnily enough, the CSO don't ask "are you a communist?" on the census.

Your question in the OP was: "Why is Communism suddenly so popular?"

The answer is: "It's not".

RobbieTheRobber

Potatoeman wrote: »

Stuff like this:
https://thefederalist.com/2016/10/17/survey-finds-high-support-communism-among-millennials/

Sorry what is Bernie Sanders a new TD elected for the Communist party of Ireland in a recent by-election that I missed?

14dMoney

14dMoney wrote: »

What sort of a link do you want? Funnily enough, the CSO don't ask "are you a communist?" on the census.

Well something beyond your bald assertion that communism is becoming more popular might help. Do you have anything concrete to back up your opinion?

RobbieTheRobber

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Your question in the OP was: "Why is Communism suddenly so popular?"

The answer is: "It's not".

Good answer but I think the answer should be: "Go away OP your drunk!"

boombang

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Ah, but the thread title isn't "What's with the rise of Socialism/ social democrats?" which would be reflected by Sanders/ Corbyn.

OP doesn't know what Communism is?

Which is exactly why I qualified my statement.

Woke Hogan

14dMoney wrote: »

That's another thing I don't understand, people harping on about the 1%. If you earn more than 30k, you are in the 1%

"The 1%" title is a symbolic label, like how The Rolling Stones aren't big piles of rocks playing music. It refers to the mega wealthy who are hoarding money at the expense of society at large.

14dMoney

kikilarue2 wrote: »

Ah, but the thread title isn't "What's with the rise of Socialism/ social democrats?" which would be reflected by Sanders/ Corbyn.

OP doesn't know what Communism is?

Come off it. Socialism is a precursor to communism and your kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

cgcsb

The current hyper capitalist set up in this country has failed to produce a reasonable standard of living for the young, so the extreme opposite reaction is bound to be the response. Average young person can't afford to buy or rent their own home right now, and have no prospects of achieving that.

careless sherpa

Seems to be some great looking women involved in promoting communism online. Flirty fishing or something it is called. Even when you know what they are up to...
where do i sign

Potatoeman

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Sorry what is Bernie Sanders a new TD elected for the Communist party of Ireland in a recent by-election that I missed?

It seems to spread over here from the US and the UK.

14dMoney

cgcsb wrote: »

The current hyper capitalist set up in this country has failed to produce a reasonable standard of living for the young, so the extreme opposite reaction is bound to be the response. Average young person can't afford to buy or rent their own home right now, and have no prospects of achieving that.

This country is not hyper-capitalist. Every cent over 35000, you pay close to 50% of in taxes. How is that "hyper-capitalist"?

meeeeh

I don't think they do. They are more liberal leaning but it's a significantly different ideology than communism. Communism was all about collective and everyone being and doing exactly the same regardless how stupid it was. Modern leftists seem to believe everyone can do whatever the **** they want as long as it's Twitter approved and they all have to be paid for it.

RobbieTheRobber

14dMoney wrote: »

Come off it. Socialism is a precursor to communism and your kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

The gateway argument now being brought to politics discussions. Great! :rolleyes:

Wanderer78

cgcsb wrote:

The current hyper capitalist set up in this country has failed to produce a reasonable standard of living for the young, so the extreme opposite reaction is bound to be the response. Average young person can't afford to buy or rent their own home right now, and have no prospects of achieving that.

Hyper capitalism, otherwise known as the neoliberal/neoclassical approach to capitalism

riclad

They are paying high rents, wages are not rising to match house prices.
There is a housing crisis .They are struggling to save for a deposit on a house .
We have a large national debt.
The previous generation and politician,s basically screwed anyone under 30 years of age.
Look at the extreme weather europe is going through .
heat waves followed by heavy rain fall .
Every month there seems to a hurricane or a flood in a state in america.
There seems to be no one worried about global warming except people under 30 .
When i was 20 ,rents were low, house price,s were low .
Anyone person who worked full time could afford to buy a house ,
after working 4-5 years .
Young people can get a job, but everything else seems to be getting
worse for them,
in terms of standard of living .

OP starts another redundant thread, passing off subjective opinion as broad consensus.

Quelle surprise.

kikilarue2

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The gateway argument now being brought to politics discussions. Great! :rolleyes:

The only reason I even got into doing Communism is because I have to get it from the same dealer I get my Socialism from.

shootermacg

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Capitalism is killing the planet.

The 1% is hoarding all of the wealth.

Wages have been stagnant for over a decade and costs of living have been rising so millennials have suffered from a massive drop in living standards compared to people of my generation.

I've heard this described as nothing to do with ..ism. The 1% are a direct result of poor government controls and kick-backs.

Trickle down economics doesn't work, why? Well a person can only wear so many pairs of pants etc and if that guy is in the one percent, then that cash is going nowhere.

Regardless of the ism, companies should be paying their fair share in tax...which they aren't under current administration.

Inequality on a scale where 3 people in the US have more wealth than the bottom 50% needs to be stamped out.

Self interested, amoral companies are according to science, risking the future of the human race.

The only candidates calling out this destructive behavior, for the most part tend to be socialists.

14dMoney

kikilarue2 wrote: »

The only reason I even got into doing Communism is because I have to get it from the same dealer I get my Socialism from.

Well according to Marx, socialism was the 2nd last stage in economic evolution?

Berserker

14dMoney wrote: »

That's what I don't understand either, why is one extreme tolerated, and the other isn't?

Because right is bad and left is good. It's been shoved down their throats repeatedly. If you throw enough mud, some of it is going to stick.

boombang wrote: »

Plus, the new left tells them that it will be the solution to all their problems. They should go and check out Venezuela first.

Just finished watching a travel vlog on Venezuela on youtube. Public transport is free because they cannot afford to pay staff, a hot dog costs a silly percentage of the average monthly salary. Some people have given up going to work because it was too expensive to do so. Socialism at it's finest.

Potatoeman wrote: »

It’s not. Young people don’t understand what communism is. They don’t seem to understand it means their assets will be appropriated by the state too.

That'll only apply to the 1%, i.e. the rich people on this planet. The person who told me that drives a 191 Toyota SUV! You couldn't make this stuff up.

kikilarue2

14dMoney wrote: »

kikilarue2 wrote: »

The only reason I even got into doing Communism is because I have to get it from the same dealer I get my Socialism from.

Well according to Marx, socialism was the 2nd last stage in economic evolution?

And what makes you think we are now in that phase, per your OP?

shootermacg

Berserker wrote: »

Just finished watching a travel vlog on Venezuela on youtube. Public transport is free because they cannot afford to pay staff, a hot dog costs a silly percentage of the average monthly salary. Some people have given up going to work because it was too expensive to do so. Socialism at it's finest.

Nothing to do with the trade embargoes imposed by the US then?

cgcsb

14dMoney wrote: »

This country is not hyper-capitalist. Every cent over 35000, you pay close to 50% of in taxes. How is that "hyper-capitalist"?

The state has more less removed it's self from housing the population, handed that function over to vulture funds and paying over the odds to landlords through a corrupt HAP scheme. The state has ceased providing basic healthcare, instead it's spending over the odds sending patients to private hospitals in other jurisdictions for simple procedures like cataracts and the like. The state has also divested from waste management, within europe this is quite an extreme move to the right over all.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Wait A Sec wrote: »

Millenials pay 90 euros for jeans that have holes in them... if they are poor it's their own fault.

That’s not why.

kikilarue2

shootermacg wrote: »

Berserker wrote: »

Just finished watching a travel vlog on Venezuela on youtube. Public transport is free because they cannot afford to pay staff, a hot dog costs a silly percentage of the average monthly salary. Some people have given up going to work because it was too expensive to do so. Socialism at it's finest.

Nothing to do with the trade embargoes imposed by the US then?

Don’t go bringing your facts and logic into this debate!

14dMoney

kikilarue2 wrote: »

And what makes you think we are now in that phase, per your OP?

I never said we were at that phase, I said it was growing in popularity amongst a certain demographic. Do you even read good?

briany

Wait A Sec wrote: »

Millenials pay 90 euros for jeans that have holes in them... if they are poor it's their own fault.

I'd say the fecker pricing defective jeans at 90 euro has some guilt in the setup as well.

Wait A Sec

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

That’s not why.

It partly is. Paying money to look like a poor person...it's a funny world we live in.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

cgcsb wrote: »

The state has more less removed it's self from housing the population, handed that function over to vulture funds and paying over the odds to landlords through a corrupt HAP scheme. The state has ceased providing basic healthcare, instead it's spending over the odds sending patients to private hospitals in other jurisdictions for simple procedures like cataracts and the like. The state has also divested from waste management, within europe this is quite an extreme move to the right over all.

There’s two truths here.

1) we over pay for taxes.
2) do we have a large state it’s highly inefficient.

Berserker

shootermacg wrote: »

Self interested, amoral companies are according to science, risking the future of the human race.

Amoral is the norm in the corporate world though. A solicitor I know is adamant that the human race is finished. Screw staff, suppliers, creditors, debtors etc as much as possible is the directive the senior executive gives him.

Homelander

It's stupid to believe in communism. Not because it's a bad idea on paper, but because it's a dreadful reality.

East Germany probably was one of the more 'successful' nations but still pretty grim

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

The fact an openly pro-Soviet party got several Dail seats in the 80s suggests a love for communism might be common in older generations also.