Why are so many millennials getting into communism?

06-08-2019 01:23PM

14dMoney wrote: »

Come off it. Socialism is a precursor to communism and your kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

The gateway argument now being brought to politics discussions. Great! :rolleyes:

Wanderer78 · 06-08-2019 01:23PM

cgcsb wrote:

The current hyper capitalist set up in this country has failed to produce a reasonable standard of living for the young, so the extreme opposite reaction is bound to be the response. Average young person can't afford to buy or rent their own home right now, and have no prospects of achieving that.

Hyper capitalism, otherwise known as the neoliberal/neoclassical approach to capitalism

riclad · 06-08-2019 01:24PM

They are paying high rents, wages are not rising to match house prices.
There is a housing crisis .They are struggling to save for a deposit on a house .
We have a large national debt.
The previous generation and politician,s basically screwed anyone under 30 years of age.
Look at the extreme weather europe is going through .
heat waves followed by heavy rain fall .
Every month there seems to a hurricane or a flood in a state in america.
There seems to be no one worried about global warming except people under 30 .
When i was 20 ,rents were low, house price,s were low .
Anyone person who worked full time could afford to buy a house ,
after working 4-5 years .
Young people can get a job, but everything else seems to be getting
worse for them,
in terms of standard of living .

06-08-2019 01:24PM

OP starts another redundant thread, passing off subjective opinion as broad consensus.

Quelle surprise.

kikilarue2 · 06-08-2019 01:25PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The gateway argument now being brought to politics discussions. Great! :rolleyes:

The only reason I even got into doing Communism is because I have to get it from the same dealer I get my Socialism from.

shootermacg · 06-08-2019 01:25PM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Capitalism is killing the planet.

The 1% is hoarding all of the wealth.

Wages have been stagnant for over a decade and costs of living have been rising so millennials have suffered from a massive drop in living standards compared to people of my generation.

I've heard this described as nothing to do with ..ism. The 1% are a direct result of poor government controls and kick-backs.

Trickle down economics doesn't work, why? Well a person can only wear so many pairs of pants etc and if that guy is in the one percent, then that cash is going nowhere.

Regardless of the ism, companies should be paying their fair share in tax...which they aren't under current administration.

Inequality on a scale where 3 people in the US have more wealth than the bottom 50% needs to be stamped out.

Self interested, amoral companies are according to science, risking the future of the human race.

The only candidates calling out this destructive behavior, for the most part tend to be socialists.

14dMoney · 06-08-2019 01:28PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

The only reason I even got into doing Communism is because I have to get it from the same dealer I get my Socialism from.

Well according to Marx, socialism was the 2nd last stage in economic evolution?

Berserker · 06-08-2019 01:28PM

14dMoney wrote: »

That's what I don't understand either, why is one extreme tolerated, and the other isn't?

Because right is bad and left is good. It's been shoved down their throats repeatedly. If you throw enough mud, some of it is going to stick.

boombang wrote: »

Plus, the new left tells them that it will be the solution to all their problems. They should go and check out Venezuela first.

Just finished watching a travel vlog on Venezuela on youtube. Public transport is free because they cannot afford to pay staff, a hot dog costs a silly percentage of the average monthly salary. Some people have given up going to work because it was too expensive to do so. Socialism at it's finest.

Potatoeman wrote: »

It’s not. Young people don’t understand what communism is. They don’t seem to understand it means their assets will be appropriated by the state too.

That'll only apply to the 1%, i.e. the rich people on this planet. The person who told me that drives a 191 Toyota SUV! You couldn't make this stuff up.

kikilarue2 · 06-08-2019 01:30PM

14dMoney wrote: »

kikilarue2 wrote: »

The only reason I even got into doing Communism is because I have to get it from the same dealer I get my Socialism from.

Well according to Marx, socialism was the 2nd last stage in economic evolution?

And what makes you think we are now in that phase, per your OP?

shootermacg · 06-08-2019 01:31PM

Berserker wrote: »

Just finished watching a travel vlog on Venezuela on youtube. Public transport is free because they cannot afford to pay staff, a hot dog costs a silly percentage of the average monthly salary. Some people have given up going to work because it was too expensive to do so. Socialism at it's finest.

Nothing to do with the trade embargoes imposed by the US then?

cgcsb · 06-08-2019 01:32PM

14dMoney wrote: »

This country is not hyper-capitalist. Every cent over 35000, you pay close to 50% of in taxes. How is that "hyper-capitalist"?

The state has more less removed it's self from housing the population, handed that function over to vulture funds and paying over the odds to landlords through a corrupt HAP scheme. The state has ceased providing basic healthcare, instead it's spending over the odds sending patients to private hospitals in other jurisdictions for simple procedures like cataracts and the like. The state has also divested from waste management, within europe this is quite an extreme move to the right over all.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 06-08-2019 01:32PM

Wait A Sec wrote: »

Millenials pay 90 euros for jeans that have holes in them... if they are poor it's their own fault.

That’s not why.

kikilarue2 · 06-08-2019 01:32PM

shootermacg wrote: »

Berserker wrote: »

Just finished watching a travel vlog on Venezuela on youtube. Public transport is free because they cannot afford to pay staff, a hot dog costs a silly percentage of the average monthly salary. Some people have given up going to work because it was too expensive to do so. Socialism at it's finest.

Nothing to do with the trade embargoes imposed by the US then?

Don’t go bringing your facts and logic into this debate!

14dMoney · 06-08-2019 01:32PM

kikilarue2 wrote: »

And what makes you think we are now in that phase, per your OP?

I never said we were at that phase, I said it was growing in popularity amongst a certain demographic. Do you even read good?

briany · 06-08-2019 01:33PM

Wait A Sec wrote: »

Millenials pay 90 euros for jeans that have holes in them... if they are poor it's their own fault.

I'd say the fecker pricing defective jeans at 90 euro has some guilt in the setup as well.

Wait A Sec · 06-08-2019 01:34PM

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

That’s not why.

It partly is. Paying money to look like a poor person...it's a funny world we live in.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 06-08-2019 01:35PM

cgcsb wrote: »

The state has more less removed it's self from housing the population, handed that function over to vulture funds and paying over the odds to landlords through a corrupt HAP scheme. The state has ceased providing basic healthcare, instead it's spending over the odds sending patients to private hospitals in other jurisdictions for simple procedures like cataracts and the like. The state has also divested from waste management, within europe this is quite an extreme move to the right over all.

There’s two truths here.

1) we over pay for taxes.
2) do we have a large state it’s highly inefficient.

Berserker · 06-08-2019 01:36PM

shootermacg wrote: »

Self interested, amoral companies are according to science, risking the future of the human race.

Amoral is the norm in the corporate world though. A solicitor I know is adamant that the human race is finished. Screw staff, suppliers, creditors, debtors etc as much as possible is the directive the senior executive gives him.

Homelander · 06-08-2019 01:36PM

It's stupid to believe in communism. Not because it's a bad idea on paper, but because it's a dreadful reality.

East Germany probably was one of the more 'successful' nations but still pretty grim

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 06-08-2019 01:36PM

The fact an openly pro-Soviet party got several Dail seats in the 80s suggests a love for communism might be common in older generations also.

JohnnyFlash · 06-08-2019 01:37PM

Most of you would be on the first train to the gulags.

meeeeh · 06-08-2019 01:38PM

There is a separate issue that information revolution significantly changed who has money and how things are done. Capitalism and commuism evolved through industrial revolution. It is not unreasonable to question how profits in information technology are accumulated and how Googles of this world are avoiding to pay taxes. With automation and similar there are more issues comming down the line and life of future generations will be more challenging. Especially those in low skilled professions.

Boom_Bap · 06-08-2019 01:39PM

Say the word communism, it just rolls off the tongue.

14dMoney · 06-08-2019 01:39PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Say the word communism, it just rolls off the tongue.

And into the gulag

benjamin d · 06-08-2019 01:41PM

I wouldn't go so far as saying communism is all that popular but it's probably more visible now with social media.

What I do think there's support for is more socialist government policies. Not even new socialist policies but just getting back to how things were. We need more social housing, better education and healthcare, better services in general. I think we might be on the verge of maturing enough as a society to actually vote to tax ourselves more to provide the stuff we need. For too long Ireland was a "me me me" society where every spare penny was used to buy the next election, and voters lapped it up. We need to grow up as a country and realise that an extra fiver in your pocket at budget time would be better spent elsewhere on services the country needs.

I also think capitalism as a concept is probably perceived to be reaching its natural conclusion, i.e all the money is becoming unworkably concentrated among too few people and megacompanies.

whisky_galore · 06-08-2019 01:45PM

Can anyone name any sucessful Communist country that people aren't scrambling to get out of? ie that isn't an oppressive kip that your every move is monitored or those with a dodgy human rights record?
And not those Communist countries that are "Communist" in name only.

Arghus · 06-08-2019 01:45PM

They aren't though, not really.

shootermacg · 06-08-2019 01:45PM

Nothing wrong with a wealth tax on earnings over 50 million. I think most of you guys are safe

Berserker · 06-08-2019 01:47PM

cgcsb wrote: »

The state has more less removed it's self from housing the population, handed that function over to vulture funds and paying over the odds to landlords through a corrupt HAP scheme. The state has ceased providing basic healthcare, instead it's spending over the odds sending patients to private hospitals in other jurisdictions for simple procedures like cataracts and the like.

Must be dreaming about that health budget and the cost of the new children's hospital so. As for housing, the state hasn't removed itself, it was taken out of the game, on request because the existing state housing schemes were deemed to be a failure. If the state gets back into that game, which will cause a drop house prices, you and I both know that people will be looking for assistance from the state because they'll be in negative equity.

shootermacg wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a wealth tax on earnings over 50 million. I think most of you guys are safe

It'll be on earnings over €100K per annum or people with assets/savings over €100K.

Red_Wake · 06-08-2019 01:48PM

They're more into Nanny statism than communism.

Communism was backed by an underlying belief that the individual works for the good of all via the state. Hence why Soviet propaganda often feted individuals who worked very hard for no extra benefit to themselves, but to the overall benefit of the state.

The creatures you refer to fundamentally believe the state is responsible for looking after them from cradle to grave. They resent all taxes but simultaneously want the state to give them a high standard of living.

They'd be just as happy to shaft their kids as their parents were, because they're a selfish shower of ****.

Why are so many millennials getting into communism?

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