Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Charles Babbage · 05-08-2019 11:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They're quite happy to do that, most countries don't enforce that rule anyway. Few UK cars in Ireland have the stickers.

NI registered cars never needed a sticker in the ROI, only GB registered ones.

L1011 · 05-08-2019 11:39AM

tuxy wrote: »

Over 50% of our MEPs are female so I think we are safe from being classified as white supremacists.

Not anymore. That was the case last term but now there's one more male than female in both pre and post brexit lineups

InTheShadows · 05-08-2019 11:42AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Who does this guy think he is ? Can someone tell him it is over.

UK must not be allowed "to go off and do their own trade deals with other countries"

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/uk-must-not-be-allowed-pursue-cheap-food-policy-after-brexit-1.3802972

He's off his rocker. The UK will rightfully do what's best for the UK.

There is a desperation slowly setting in now and it's only going to get worse.

Imreoir2 · 05-08-2019 11:43AM

InTheShadows wrote: »

He's off his rocker. The UK will rightfully do what's best for the UK.

There is a desperation slowly setting in now and it's only going to get worse.

Interesting, all the evidence seems to be pointing to the UK not doing what is best for the UK but rather opting to cut its own legs off in spite.

J Mysterio · 05-08-2019 11:44AM

Peregrinus wrote: »

Same place any state gets revenue to function as an independent state - from taxpayers and, to the extent that it engages in deficit financing, from lenders.

It also has a lot of oil it can borrow on the back of, or invite investment in, one would think.

Peregrinus - I have to know, are you abroad or do you keep odd hours? Your most sage pearls of wisdom seem to always drop in the wee hours :pac:

Sam Russell · 05-08-2019 11:47AM

I see that the GBP is still sliding and is now testing 92p = €1.

That is quite a psychological number.

reslfj · 05-08-2019 12:04PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

It also has a lot of oil it can borrow on the back of, or invite investment in, one would think. ...

Oil is a dead commodity in the longer time frame needed to asses the viability of a state.

By 2050 Europe should be 'fossil free' and others will follow. Demand for oil will be lower and the expensive to produce oil from offshore sources will likely be of little value.

Lars

McGiver · 05-08-2019 12:04PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Scotland could remain in the European Economic Area by joining the EFTA, doing a Norway deal, or similar. It could be a "temporary" thing until Scotland diversifies, like we did, in which case joining the EU makes more sense, or the UK rejoins the EU.

Yes, I absolutely think that Scotland should join EFTA immediately after quoting the UK, it would be much easier transition than to the EU. They could apply the EU at the same time and work on the acquis harmonisation and other checkboxes they need to check in order to join the EU. That may take a couple of years. They can be fully functional as part of EFTA during thar time. Also, their economy is a very good match to the Norway's and Icelandic, similar population as Norway so EFTA wouldn't have an issue with them joining as in the case of the UK, which is just too large, with different structure of economy and way too 'cakeist' and 'imperialist' to be able to cooperate with other smaller countries.

05-08-2019 12:05PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

NI registered cars never needed a sticker in the ROI, only GB registered ones.

We're in the height of the holiday season, lots of GB cars on the roads here now (usually Irish emigrants visiting "home"), just look at how few have either a GB sticker or EU blue plates.

05-08-2019 12:10PM

reslfj wrote: »

Oil is a dead commodity in the longer time frame needed to asses the viability of a state.

By 2050 Europe should be 'fossil free' and others will follow. Demand for oil will be lower and the expensive to produce oil from offshore sources will likely be of little value.

Lars

Most oil companies will abandon the lower performing North Sea fields simply due to the costs involved in running an offshore rig with low output.
Offshore wind generation will almost certainly replace oil as a source of income.

Nody · 05-08-2019 12:16PM

reslfj wrote: »

Oil is a dead commodity in the longer time frame needed to asses the viability of a state.

By 2050 Europe should be 'fossil free' and others will follow. Demand for oil will be lower and the expensive to produce oil from offshore sources will likely be of little value.

Lars

You do know that oil is used in plastics; right? Fossil free only refer to cars etc. but good luck of oil not remaining a commodity for decades to come. From chemicals, to non European countries use in cars, buildings etc. Oil is not going away any time soon even if we magically manage to stop using it in all the cars in Europe (not bloody likely).

lawred2 · 05-08-2019 12:18PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

I see that the GBP is still sliding and is now testing 92p = €1.

That is quite a psychological number.

Why is that in particular a psychological number?

05-08-2019 12:32PM

I'm not sure if directly related to Brexit but

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49165896
The Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast is expected to be placed into administration later.
It puts 130 jobs at risk and could spell the end of the iconic business.
Its best known vessel is the Titanic, which was built at the yard between 1909 and 1911. At its height, Harland and Wolff employed more than 30,000 people.

Shipbuilding in Europe has been in terminal decline for decades, so this could have been inevitable, regardless of Brexit.

brickster69 · 05-08-2019 12:34PM

InTheShadows wrote: »

He's off his rocker. The UK will rightfully do what's best for the UK.

There is a desperation slowly setting in now and it's only going to get worse.

Yep, Varadkar thought he was playing a big game of poker. Now he understands he is the chips.

FrancieBrady · 05-08-2019 12:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not sure if directly related to Brexit but

Shipbuilding in Europe has been in terminal decline for decades, so this could have been inevitable, regardless of Brexit.

Was shocked to discover recently that it only employs 130 people. Some decline.

05-08-2019 12:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not sure if directly related to Brexit but

Shipbuilding in Europe has been in terminal decline for decades, so this could have been inevitable, regardless of Brexit.

Not particularly Brexit related as the owner is in trouble and trying to reorganize it. Can't tell whether Brexit is putting off potential buyers or customers.
Brexit came into it as of course the workers wanted the new PM to back the industry.

Capt'n Midnight · 05-08-2019 12:40PM

reslfj wrote: »

Oil is a dead commodity in the longer time frame needed to asses the viability of a state.

By 2050 Europe should be 'fossil free' and others will follow. Demand for oil will be lower and the expensive to produce oil from offshore sources will likely be of little value.

Lars

Scotland is well suited for wave and wind and they've a good bit of hydro. They could sell carbon credits to England.

Very rough rule of thumb CCGT gas power plants are twice as efficient as older coal power stations , because you can use the gas turbine exhaust to power a steam turbine too.

Also gas only emits half the CO2 as coal. So while gas is a fossil fuel you can save 75% on emissions when you replace the last of the coal plants. It's a huge step in the right direction once you use it to buy time to get more renewables online.

Like us Scotland has a lot of bogs. These could be used for carbon capture.

Or look at Norway for an example of how to plan for a future without fossil fuel, you set some of the money aside , and invest in alternatives too.

PeadarCo · 05-08-2019 12:51PM

InTheShadows wrote:

He's off his rocker. The UK will rightfully do what's best for the UK.

What's best for the UK is to stay in the EU. And if not stay in the EU accept the Withdrawal agreement. The EU will give the UK a better deal than it will get from anyone else. One of the big issues/lies of leave campaign was that laws were being enforced without the UKs consent(ignoring MEPs, European Council etc). That could well end up being the reality outside the EU. Change your laws or else in any trade negotiations with the US, China, India etc. Even when bargaining with the EU the UK has been left to trying to use a no deal as leverage.

Sam Russell · 05-08-2019 12:51PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Sam Russell wrote: »

I see that the GBP is still sliding and is now testing 92p = €1.

That is quite a psychological number.

Why is that in particular a psychological number?

Well, it was at that figure about two years ago (temporally) and before that about five years ago (temporally), and before that about ten years ago (temporally), but other than those few times, it has been much better.

92p is close to an all time low for the GBP, but likely to go lower. That is significantly less than the IRP was worth. (€1= IRP0.787568) Sterling was always (nearly always) worth as much (until we diverged) then much more than the IRP.

How times have changed.

Water John · 05-08-2019 01:08PM

The UK has only 4 coal plants operating now. RWE plant closing March 2020, SSE plant March 2020, EDF Sept 2020.

BonnieSituation · 05-08-2019 01:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We're in the height of the holiday season, lots of GB cars on the roads here now (usually Irish emigrants visiting "home"), just look at how few have either a GB sticker or EU blue plates.

Funny that, I normally look out for reg's on car anyway as I'm a bit of a car nut. But just as I read this an Scottish reg Qashqai went by me and had a GB sticker on the boot.

It always struck me as an inelegant solution stuck in the past. Just get the Euro-style plates like EVERY other European country. Even Belarus has a European style plate with flag and abbreviation to the left of the plate.

The Brits just always have to be special.

BonnieSituation · 05-08-2019 01:39PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Yep, Varadkar thought he was playing a big game of poker. Now he understands he is the chips.

Point to me where he "understands this" please?

Strazdas · 05-08-2019 01:39PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

Where would Scotland get revenue to function as an independent state?

If countries like Lithuania, Finland and Slovenia can function as independent states, it would be no problem for a nation of 5m+ like Scotland at all.

Ultimate Seduction · 05-08-2019 01:44PM

Strazdas wrote: »

If countries like Lithuania, Finland and Slovenia can function as independent states, it would be no problem for a nation of 5m+ like Scotland at all.

The same can be said for Britain outside the EU.

Strazdas · 05-08-2019 01:50PM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

The same can be said for Britain outside the EU.

One would assume that the plan is for Scotland to have some sort of preferential access to the Single Market or to be a full member of it.

The UK is talking about ripping up its trade deals and treaties of 50 years, withdrawing from the Single Market and Customs Union and with nothing to replace any of this with.

05-08-2019 01:54PM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

The same can be said for Britain outside the EU.

Yes, a country of some 60 million is not exactly a minnow in the global trading environment.

road_high · 05-08-2019 01:54PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Yep, Varadkar thought he was playing a big game of poker. Now he understands he is the chips.

Seems to be doing alright from what I can see. Not folding when the inane Uk pressure has been coming on. Nothing’s changed and if they want “no deal” then we are ready for that

FrancieBrady · 05-08-2019 02:00PM

road_high wrote: »

Seems to be doing alright from what I can see. Not folding when the inane Uk pressure has been coming on. Nothing’s changed and if they want “no deal” then we are ready for that

The 'campaign' of pressure really hasn't amounted to anything. If anything Martin cuffing Dooley's ear has demonstrated very clearly that the Irish government is a national government on the issue.

murphaph · 05-08-2019 02:06PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Funny that, I normally look out for reg's on car anyway as I'm a bit of a car nut. But just as I read this an Scottish reg Qashqai went by me and had a GB sticker on the boot.

It always struck me as an inelegant solution stuck in the past. Just get the Euro-style plates like EVERY other European country. Even Belarus has a European style plate with flag and abbreviation to the left of the plate.

The Brits just always have to be special.

The Danes do it as well. Rare enough to see a Europlate Danish car.

Seth Brundle · 05-08-2019 02:18PM

joe40 wrote: »

The British press and even Eoghan Harris in the independent are very critical of the Irish government stance on the backstop, with Varadker coming in for particular scorn.
But is the backstop purely an Irish concern.

I mean if the Irish government were to say ok abolish the backstop, would the rest of the EU say ok that will be fine amend the WA and trust the British promise of no need for a border.

Surely border integrity and single market standars are vital for all EU countries.

The backstop is designed to keep the existing legal status of NI (that the UK agreed to) in place. Removal of the backstop allows for the removal of that status and means that the people who identify as Irish in NI will legally lose that identity.
Also removal of the backstop along with the GFA requirement of having no border would effectively mean that the EU border would then be between ireland and mainland eurooe which is unacceptable

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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